Is a nuclear Iran bad for the world?

nitro harley

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Have a citation for those numbers?
Of course not
I looked up a graph about oil in the USA, it's interesting.

[h=3]Where The U.S. Gets Its Oil[/h]

Source: Energy Information Administration
Credit: Nelson Hsu / NPR


It looks like the Persian oil is becoming less important as time goes by..The canadians are pretty good at producing, they could maybe step it up and cash in...I am starting to think the Persian Gulf may need us more than we need them, when it comes to oil...IMO..
 

Doer

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slow clap the obama admins "deal" with iran. Seriously, is there anybody with a sack in that whole fucking administration? Glad to see they put the same idiot woman in charge of this as they did N Korea. oh wait N Korea now has a bomb.
Sometimes I think we are secretly friends with Iran and N.Korea.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Sometimes I think we are secretly friends with Iran and N.Korea.
The following article raises some great points;

The Stars Are Aligned on Iran

- For a start, Iran’s new president, Hassan Rouhani, is the man with whom to make a deal. Unlike his two predecessors, he’s an insider with close, long-standing ties to the hardliners in Iran’s national security establishment. In fact, from his time as national security adviser, he was one of them. He’s also genuinely close to Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei. In other words, if we’re able to reach a permanent deal with him, the chances are it will stick.

- Secondly, Iran needs an agreement, and badly. Between 2011 and 2012, under sanctions, Iranian oil exports fell from 2.5 million barrels a day to 1.5 million. With the accord, Iran will boost its foreign exchange earnings between $6 billion and $7 billion. With inflation at a four-year high and double-digit unemployment, the extra money will take the bite off sanctions. Going back to the status quo ante would be a bad option for the regime.

- And then there’s the question whether Iran is serious about building a bomb. Ever since the Shah, there have been regular intelligence estimates that Iran was five years away from a bomb. A bomb has been within its technical abilities for a long time, but it has always pulled back knowing that the punishment would be intolerable

- Which brings me to Iraq and Afghanistan, the two basket cases on Iran’s border. With Iraq slipping deeper and deeper into a sectarian civil war, Iran will be on the front containing the chaos from spreading. It alone has influence over Iraq’s Shia majority. If one day we were so lucky to come an agreement to cut off arms to the warring militias, Iran would be at the center of its implementation.

- The same will go for Afghanistan when the NATO troops are drawn down and the Taliban shows up in Kabul. In as much as anything is predictable in that poor country, it’s that there will be some sort of civil war—a civil war in which Iran very well could be induced to play a positive role. Without Iran, the possibility of containing it would be greatly diminished.

- The question at the heart of this is whether we can trust Iran, whether they’ll really put their nuclear program under real inspections and stop producing bomb-grade nuclear material. I doubt we’ll find that out for sure in the next six months. But as a naval officer who just did a tour on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf told me, the only people they could be sure wouldn’t take a pot shot at them were the Iranians.
There is too much to gain from striking up relations with Iran - the least of which is the old adage of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
 

Dr Kynes

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The following article raises some great points;

The Stars Are Aligned on Iran



There is too much to gain from striking up relations with Iran - the least of which is the old adage of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
lions dont make deals with dogs, and as long as iran continues to believe that it too is a lion, they will continue their bluster and sabre rattling.
 

Doer

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Well, it is the same nut case politics that made us think, MAD. We were sure the Soviets could withstand our First Strike. No way. We know that now.

Not worth the risk, then for the USA to unilaterally destroy them. Perhaps MAD was for the Generals, only.

According to all I know, Gen George Patton scared the crap out of the Red Bear and guys like 4 Stars Rickover and LaMay were Monsters to them, and that didn't end until Putin called our bluff.

"That was the era when we might have destroyed Russia completely and not even skinned our elbows doing it."

Air Force, Strategic Air Command, General Curtis E. Lemay

"I do not believe that nuclear power is worth it if it creates radiation. Then you might ask me why do I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. I am not proud of the part I played in it. I did it because it was necessary for the safety of this country. That's why I am such a great exponent of stopping this whole nonsense of war. Unfortunately limits — attempts to limit war have always failed. The lesson of history is when a war starts every nation will ultimately use whatever weapon it has available."

Admiral Hymam G. Rickover (Economics of Defense Policy: Hearing before the Joint Economic Committee, Congress of the United States, 97th Cong., 2nd sess., Pt. 1 (1982))
 

Dr Kynes

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swap Iran with Israel and you've got yourself a true statement.
israel doesnt threaten us or any other nation with extermination (which iran does on a weekly basis)

israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes

israel doesnt oppress their citizens from religious minorities

israel doesnt fund terrorist organizations

israel isnt violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty



your hate for Das Juden colours your world view, and it's sad.
 

echelon1k1

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israel doesnt threaten us or any other nation with extermination (which iran does on a weekly basis)
citation required for your claim as I already provided proof discrediting your claim - But as a naval officer who just did a tour on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf told me, the only people they could be sure wouldn’t take a pot shot at them were the Iranians.

israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes
Threats and Promises are two different things

israel doesnt oppress their citizens from religious minorities
Yes they do, Muslims are an oppressed minority - Israel's airport security policies are living examples of this.

israel doesnt fund terrorist organizations
Yes it does, that's a whole thread in and of itself. Mr. Dershowitz has made quite a compelling case on behalf of Israel regarding the MEK and Camp Ashraf

israel isnt violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
Israel isn't a signatory but it's in violation of many UN security council resolutions regarding its illegal occupation of Palestine.

Israel has a nuclear weapons program and until they come clean they have no business throwing stones.

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/11/25/fight-club-pretty-woman-producer-admits-to-being-israeli-spy/

your hate for Das Juden colours your world view, and it's sad.
Actually, my dislike and distaste for Israel is shared by many; If it wasn't they'd be included in intelligence sharing agreements, such as "Five Eyes". It would seem even the US wants to keep Israel at arms length.

But please start another manifesto on Muslims, paedophiles and beards - I love hearing about topics that draw clear parallels between two faiths.
 

Dr Kynes

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citation required for your claim as I already provided proof discrediting your claim - But as a naval officer who just did a tour on an aircraft carrier in the Gulf told me, the only people they could be sure wouldn’t take a pot shot at them were the Iranians.
which nation has israel promised to "scrub/cleanse from the pages of time"?



Threats and Promises are two different things
what shipping lanes has israel mined?



Yes they do, Muslims are an oppressed minority - Israel's airport security policies are living examples of this.
israel's moslem citizenry are NOT oppressed, nor are their christian, druze, bahai, zoroastrian, bedoin, buddhist or atheist minorities.
the only way you cvan claim repression or oppression is to include the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, which are repressed because they are MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, not because the people in these MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES tend to be of one religious group or another, nor because those who are attempting to destabilize the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES are members of any particular ethnic group.

in the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, the israeli MILITARY is engaged in a lawful MILITARY OCCUPATION, no matter what the UN says.




Yes it does, that's a whole thread in and of itself. Mr. Dershowitz has made quite a compelling case on behalf of Israel regarding the MEK and Camp Ashraf
what schoolhouses or hospitals have the fictional "israeli backed terrorists" blown up?




Israel isn't a signatory but it's in violation of many UN security council resolutions regarding its illegal occupation of Palestine.
so, not being party to the non-proliferation treaty has something to do with lefty butthurt over MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES captured in DEFENSIVE WAR, which the original possessors dont want back, so the jews are stuck with them, like a dog crap on their shoe?

man those jews are sneaky as fuck.


Israel has a nuclear weapons program and until they come clean they have no business throwing stones.

http://entertainment.time.com/2013/11/25/fight-club-pretty-woman-producer-admits-to-being-israeli-spy/
israel is not signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, thus not beholden to it, nor breaking any treaty.




Actually, my dislike and distaste for Israel is shared by many;
like Hitler, Stalin, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, the entire moslem world, the KKK, and holocaust denying frootloops in prison in ausfailia for violating their hate speech codes...



If it wasn't they'd be included in intelligence sharing agreements, such as "Five Eyes". It would seem even the US wants to keep Israel at arms length.
because Das Juden cant be trusted? or because if they had access to more data, they might realize how ineffectual the west's intelligence on moslem extremists and jihadjis really is, and might start mashing their own Misslie Strike Button.


But please start another manifesto on Muslims, paedophiles and beards - I love hearing about topics that draw clear parallels between two faiths.
but you only hate the ones who arent trying to exterminate all non-moslem thought in the world...
 

schuylaar

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israel doesnt threaten us or any other nation with extermination (which iran does on a weekly basis)

israel doesnt threaten to mine commercial shipping lanes

israel doesnt oppress their citizens from religious minorities

israel doesnt fund terrorist organizations

israel isnt violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty



your hate for Das Juden colours your world view, and it's sad.
yeah but netanyahu is a pain in the ass whiny little girl..not a team player..
 

echelon1k1

New Member
which nation has israel promised to "scrub/cleanse from the pages of time"?
You can keep pulling out that tiresome line - the fact remains your interpretation is at best biased and at worst plainly ignorant. We've been through this before, you need a new talking point.

what shipping lanes has israel mined?
I've never claimed they mined any shipping lanes, I simly pointed out threats and promises are two different things. Israel did bomb a US warship - Australia has never done that, ever.

israel's moslem citizenry are NOT oppressed, nor are their christian, druze, bahai, zoroastrian, bedoin, buddhist or atheist minorities.
the only way you cvan claim repression or oppression is to include the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, which are repressed because they are MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, not because the people in these MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES tend to be of one religious group or another, nor because those who are attempting to destabilize the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES are members of any particular ethnic group.

in the MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES, the israeli MILITARY is engaged in a lawful MILITARY OCCUPATION, no matter what the UN says.
Did I mention the occupied zones? No I specifically mentioned the airport screening process as proof positive of religious oppression of Muslims in Israel. Don't try and move the goalposts now.

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18070/deported-from-israel-for-being-a-muslim-who-visited-pakistan/

That's but one example let me know how many more you need...

what schoolhouses or hospitals have the fictional "israeli backed terrorists" blown up?
Fictional? You don't want to discuss Alan Dershowitz, Camp Ashraf and the People's Mojahedin of Iran or the Mojahedin-e-Khalq (PMOI/MEK)?

Human Rights Watch has done some work exposing the MEKs record of violence against American troops within the last decade.

You also mentioned school houses again - see "new talking points"

so, not being party to the non-proliferation treaty has something to do with lefty butthurt over MILITARY OCCUPATION ZONES captured in DEFENSIVE WAR, which the original possessors dont want back, so the jews are stuck with them, like a dog crap on their shoe? man those jews are sneaky as fuck.
So "Palestinians" are "dog shit on Israel's shoe"?


israel is not signatory to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, thus not beholden to it, nor breaking any treaty.
But it does have a secret nuclear weapons program which is no secret. You cannot even provide proof the Iran has a program - but I suppose you know more than 16 of your governments intelligence agencies.

like Hitler, Stalin, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, the entire moslem world, the KKK, and holocaust denying frootloops in prison in ausfailia for violating their hate speech codes...
Funny you mention these individuals - even though you're know as KKKeynes... Who's dog crap is stuck to whose shoe again?

because Das Juden cant be trusted? or because if they had access to more data, they might realize how ineffectual the west's intelligence on moslem extremists and jihadjis really is, and might start mashing their own Misslie Strike Button.
Nope and most western government feel the same. If that wasn't the case Israel wouldn't need to conduct such an "aggressive espionage campaign" against its supposed ally, the US of all nations.

just Google "Israel's aggressive espionage campaign against US"

but you only hate the ones who arent trying to exterminate all non-moslem thought in the world...
You forget, I was deployed and played my part in the GWofT - you sat at home writing manifestos on "moslems" and "world domination"
 

Dr Kynes

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You can keep pulling out that tiresome line - the fact remains your interpretation is at best biased and at worst plainly ignorant. We've been through this before, you need a new talking point. (1)



I've never claimed they mined any shipping lanes, I simly pointed out threats and promises are two different things. Israel did bomb a US warship - Australia has never done that, ever.(2)



Did I mention the occupied zones? No I specifically mentioned the airport screening process as proof positive of religious oppression of Muslims in Israel. Don't try and move the goalposts now. (3)

http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/18070/deported-from-israel-for-being-a-muslim-who-visited-pakistan/

That's but one example let me know how many more you need...



Fictional? You don't want to discuss Alan Dershowitz, Camp Ashraf and the People's Mojahedin of Iran or the Mojahedin-e-Khalq (PMOI/MEK)?

Human Rights Watch has done some work exposing the MEKs record of violence against American troops within the last decade.

You also mentioned school houses again - see "new talking points" (4 )



So "Palestinians" are "dog shit on Israel's shoe"? (5 )




But it does have a secret nuclear weapons program which is no secret. You cannot even provide proof the Iran has a program - but I suppose you know more than 16 of your governments intelligence agencies. (6 )



Funny you mention these individuals - even though you're know as KKKeynes... Who's dog crap is stuck to whose shoe again? (7 )



Nope and most western government feel the same. If that wasn't the case Israel wouldn't need to conduct such an "aggressive espionage campaign" against its supposed ally, the US of all nations.

just Google "Israel's aggressive espionage campaign against US"(8 )



You forget, I was deployed and played my part in the GWofT - you sat at home writing manifestos on "moslems" and "world domination" (9 )
im tired of splitting your posts into bites which you then re-split in an endless circlejerk.

1 ) khoneni and achemdinejihad BOTH said it, the iranian government printed it on their own motherfucking banners, they said it again, and then tried to claim "bad translation" this bullshit lie has FAILED.
2 ) nobody said SHIT about australia mining shipping lanes, YOU tried to IMPLY that israel has done it, which is BULLSHIT, while iran HAS done it, and regularly threatens to do it again.
3 ) dragging out pro-pallie blogs proves NOTHING.
4 ) alan dershowitz can say anything he likes, if iran had PROOF that israel was funding insurgents in their country, those insurgents would be hanging from their necks, next to their non-existent homosexuals, and iran would be whimpering to the UN again.
5 ) yes, the pallies are a dog turd stick to the bottom of THE WORLD'S shoe.
6 ) israel MAY have a nuclear arsenal. or they may not. iran DOES have a nuclear weapons program, nobody but you doubts it, but you only doubt because it reinforces your hatred for jews.
7 ) bucky calls everybody racist, i dont feel that special.
8 ) britain spies on us too. and we spy on everybody. Obama tapped angela merkel's motherfucking phone dumbass.
9 ) special pleading. nobody gives a shit where you claim to have served, and nobody cares if you claim you were Spec Ops, or if you were in the Catering Corps. it gives you no special privileges to hate jews, nor does it make you defense of moslem evil more compelling.
 

echelon1k1

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im tired of splitting your posts into bites which you then re-split in an endless circlejerk.
Then cut the bullshit and cite evidence for your fanciful claims, you may have a flair for the words but that in no way translates into quality content.

1 ) khoneni and achemdinejihad BOTH said it, the iranian government printed it on their own motherfucking banners, they said it again, and then tried to claim "bad translation" this bullshit lie has FAILED.
You'll have to get over that one, your religious bias is holding you back zealot.

2 ) nobody said SHIT about australia mining shipping lanes, YOU tried to IMPLY that israel has done it, which is BULLSHIT, while iran HAS done it, and regularly threatens to do it again.
I never ONCE IMPLIED (see I can capitalise too) Israel has mined shipping lanes, you brought that up - I stated that Israel bombed a US warship in 1967.

3 ) dragging out pro-pallie blogs proves NOTHING.
Pro Pallie? Then anything pro-Israeli is unacceptable too? Looks like you're out of luck :clap:

4 ) alan dershowitz can say anything he likes, if iran had PROOF that israel was funding insurgents in their country, those insurgents would be hanging from their necks, next to their non-existent homosexuals, and iran would be whimpering to the UN again.
The world has proof, the US delisted a terrorist organisation so it could jointly (with Israel) back operations within Iran. That is a fact.

5 ) yes, the pallies are a dog turd stick to the bottom of THE WORLD'S shoe.
KKKeynes strikes again...
6 ) israel MAY have a nuclear arsenal. or they may not. iran DOES have a nuclear weapons program, nobody but you doubts it, but you only doubt because it reinforces your hatred for jews.
Israel does have a nuclear arsenal. If Iran had a program they'd have a bomb and all US experts on Iran agree on this point. I've already cited proof of this in post #84. These claims are based on US National Intelligence Estimates, from your own government no less.

7 ) bucky calls everybody racist, i dont feel that special.
Minimum wage earners rarely do

8 ) britain spies on us too. and we spy on everybody. Obama tapped angela merkel's motherfucking phone dumbass.
Electronic spying is one thing, targeted human intelligence operations are another. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference - grocery boys have enough trouble deciding between paper and plastic.

9 ) special pleading. nobody gives a shit where you claim to have served, and nobody cares if you claim you were Spec Ops, or if you were in the Catering Corps. it gives you no special privileges to hate jews, nor does it make you defense of moslem evil more compelling.
I don't hate jews, you just immediately think everyone shares your hatred of anything foreign, different or culturally diverse. If put to the test who's national security would you choose, the US' or Israel's? If you think objecting against the illegal Israeli regime is supporting Muslim evil then you need your head examined. There is no Israeli exceptionalism - the "self segregating" people as you describe them is in total contrast to the picture of harmony and continuity its lobbying arm portray.
 

Doer

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fun fact: jews score higher on the IQ than their christian counterparts..
Well, are you sure? No fun minded young Jewess would ever have to to stoop to be my counterpart. I would always consider her to be more intelligent than that.

Besides, I ain't that kind of Christian. :)
 

Dr Kynes

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Then cut the bullshit and cite evidence for your fanciful claims, you may have a flair for the words but that in no way translates into quality content.

Irritated by facts, time to make vague insinuations.

You'll have to get over that one, your religious bias is holding you back zealot.

why should i surrender the point, when the facts prove i am correct, and you are repeating taqiyya?

I never ONCE IMPLIED (see I can capitalise too) Israel has mined shipping lanes, you brought that up - I stated that Israel bombed a US warship in 1967.

israel never mined shipping lanes, iran has.
you stated the israelis PROMISED to do some sea lane mining, which is untrue. this is why you ran to the canard of australia's inability to mine sea lanes.

Pro Pallie? Then anything pro-Israeli is unacceptable too? Looks like you're out of luck :clap:

i dont cite blogs as evidence of conspiracy theories, so sad. looks like you need to find evidence for your claims.

The world has proof, the US delisted a terrorist organisation so it could jointly (with Israel) back operations within Iran. That is a fact.

ORLY? you got an iranian government sponsored blog to back that whopper up?

KKKeynes strikes again...

yeah, so racist. the pallies are everybody's friend, and dont engage in international terrorism, and are always the first to lay down their arms, and the last to pick em back up again, and they always deal in good faith...
wanna buy one of my spare Eiffel Towers? i got a couple of em, and one can be yours at discount prices.
or would you preferr one of my Mona Lisas?


Israel does have a nuclear arsenal. If Iran had a program they'd have a bomb and all US experts on Iran agree on this point. I've already cited proof of this in post #84. These claims are based on US National Intelligence Estimates, from your own government no less.

Prove it.

Minimum wage earners rarely do

cant defend your position? ad hominem time!

Electronic spying is one thing, targeted human intelligence operations are another. I wouldn't expect you to know the difference - grocery boys have enough trouble deciding between paper and plastic.

spying is spying is spying. maybe you havent heard but EVERY nation is spying on every other.

I don't hate jews, you just immediately think everyone shares your hatred of anything foreign, different or culturally diverse. If put to the test who's national security would you choose, the US' or Israel's? If you think objecting against the illegal Israeli regime is supporting Muslim evil then you need your head examined. There is no Israeli exceptionalism - the "self segregating" people as you describe them is in total contrast to the picture of harmony and continuity its lobbying arm portray.
you dont hate jews, just "Zionism" which includes nearly every jew on earth, so thats totally different. time to trot out the iranian's pet rabbis who always toe the line for some reason.

i wonder why those rabbis seem so tractable...

 

echelon1k1

New Member
you dont hate jews, just "Zionism" which includes nearly every jew on earth, so thats totally different. time to trot out the iranian's pet rabbis who always toe the line for some reason.

i wonder why those rabbis seem so tractable...

A) that's the first time you have used the term "taqiyya" correctly. Congratulations.

B) Can you show me where I stated "the israelis PROMISED to do some sea lane mining"? I don't remember even implying that.

C) My proof that Israel supports terrorist groups has been provided. I told you to google "Dershowitz, MEK & Camp Ashraf" alternatively I've posted links in previous threads https://www.rollitup.org/politics/671943-ready-hillary-7.html post #66 or here https://www.rollitup.org/politics/670381-syria-6.html post #51

D) RE:NIE & Iran - http://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/u.s.-intelligence-estimates-and-the-iranian-nuclear-program/

E) Spying is Spying but paper is not plastic. Work out that one and i'll rep you.

D) The picture you cited is proof you're a retarded bigot. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/28/content_386620.htm

The group holding her hostage was Al Qaeda in Iraq, a sunni salafist group. Iran is a shia republic and don't like sunnis to say the least. Anymore false equivalencies KKKeynes?

Just more proof your muslim rage is nothing but a manifestation of your religious bias.
 
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