Iran Update...

medicineman

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Max sez:

"go ahead and be a fool if you want. i am not someone who would force my belief's on you.
the liberals on the other hand will do it.
not only will they force their ideal's and beliefs on you they will do it at force and with robbery through the government.
they will enslave you with your own money.or at least try to."

I beg to differ. I'm a liberal (Well if one must be labeled), and I've never forced my beliefs on anyone. That is just right wing rhetoric, sorta like if I said the Nazis, (Right wing idiots) were going to put us all into concentration camps, (Well, except maybe Bush had those plans, and it wasn't such a stretch). BTW, did you righties know that Nixon (Your disgraced hero) had plans to extend the presidential term. Now there's another proud righty, Nixon. The most hated 20th century president, (Well maybe Hoover), untill Bush II.
 

CrackerJax

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If Nixon did wish to do that 9 i really don't know and can admit when I don't know something), the precedent had already been set by FDR. Thankfully, they stripped that out since FDR was a horrendous president. good riddance .

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medicineman

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If Nixon did wish to do that 9 i really don't know and can admit when I don't know something), the precedent had already been set by FDR. Thankfully, they stripped that out since FDR was a horrendous president. good riddance .

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FDR was the best. We could have this arguement, but it's been played over and over in this forum, many times. Why don't you pick your three worst presidents of the 20-21 centuries and I'll pick mine. Then we'll just let everyone else decide. My three: In order of worseness; Bush II- Nixon -Hoover, I may be mistaken on which is worse as freshness in memory dictates these choices. I really hated Nixon, But Bush II erased that hatred and engulfed it. If I had to go on what I have personally witnessed, It would be Nixon, Bush I, Bush II, I just threw Hoover in as I found him to be the main person responsible for the first depression.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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FDR was the best. We could have this arguement, but it's been played over and over in this forum, many times. Why don't you pick your three worst presidents of the 20-21 centuries and I'll pick mine. Then we'll just let everyone else decide. My three: In order of worseness; Bush II- Nixon -Hoover, I may be mistaken on which is worse as freshness in memory dictates these choices. I really hated Nixon, But Bush II erased that hatred and engulfed it. If I had to go on what I have personally witnessed, It would be Nixon, Bush I, Bush II, I just threw Hoover in as I found him to be the main person responsible for the first depression.
FDR Sucked much cock
got us involved in a pointless stupid war (like Bush)
screwed over the poor while pretending to help them (by jacking prices up on them.)


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Maybe that's why Backdoor Ben Bernanke and all his f* bankster friends think deflation is so dangerous. If deflation takes root suddenly people would be able to afford a lot more. As prices decrease the purchasing power would increase. Even minimum wage would be worth more.

Wealth, you want to create true wealth, you increase productivity (with out inflating your money supply.) this forces prices down, and thus causes people to be able to purchase more, which spurs job creation, and etc.

Sorry, never really thought about why the Banksters and the Fed ranted about Deflation.

Though this also ties back into my earlier statements about inflation acting like a balloon and making the differences between poverty, middle class and upper class that much more drastic.

If you can live comfortably on
$1,000/yr

then $500/yr is poor

and $2,000/yr is relatively wealthy (note that income taxes were originally on people making more than $5K/year)

If inflation destroys the value of the currency such as that it now takes $22,000 to live comfortably, then $11,000 is poor, and $44,0000 is wealthy.

The problem is that due to the natural progression of prices (downwards due to productivity gains) the increase from $500 - $11,000 has actually represented something like a leap from $500 - $750/year.

At the same time this means that it takes more to maintain the luxuries we are accustomed to.

I know this has already been touched on (probably by Jax, or maybe Max), but compared to the poor of the turn of the 20th century (1900) the poor at the turn of the 21st are wealthier than most kings.

We have our own vehicles and do not have to walk.

We can hire entertainment (movies, music)

We can get good quality food (obesity is actually a problem.)


Of course the problem is that whereas the right wants to be able to keep what they earn, the left thinks that they should get more.

Greedy?

The left, the Marxists, the Liberals, they are the ones that are greedy. They are not satisfied with the wealth that Capitalism has created, they want to STEAL EVERYTHING!

And if there are those that object to accusing them of being Greedy, then perhaps Avaricious would be a better term. They (clustering the RINOs in here, too) lust for power, and want to dictate every little aspect of everyone's life.


The problem with Socialists is that they can not wrap their heads around the fact that people will value different things differently at different times. For instance on Friday I would have killed for a cigarette, or paid $5 for one. (vs $5/pack.) if it meant having instant gratification.

Right now, I wouldn't pay anything for a smoke, because I've quit.

Thus the value of the cigarette has been reduced from $5 to $0.

The government however can not rap it's mind around the fact that all commodities have the same effects. At any time the demand is going to fluctuate causing prices to fluctuate which makes sure that people like me on Friday, are able to purchase the goods that they WANT at a price other people are not willing to pay.

The behavior of the market, with prices going up and down ensures that people purchase what they need.

Under socialism this inherent control gets destroyed, causing problems like Obesity (the poor wouldn't have been able to afford to get fat in 1900.)

and laziness (who would have been able to sit on their asses in the 1900s?)


Anyway, now that I have bounced on a random tangent, back to FDR.

He also signed the bill the criminalized MJ
 

CrackerJax

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FDR was one of our very worst presidents and inflicted so much misery upon the American people... end of story there.

He was also a RAVING narcissist.

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chicoles

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Max, I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about evolution! Seriously, I know this is an Iran thread, but let's hear it!

Is it possible we are evolving backwards? The internet, video games and television all keep students from getting educated. The schools suck here in Cali. and people seem less educated.
 
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PadawanBater

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Max, I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about evolution! Seriously, I know this is an Iran thread, but let's hear it!

Is it possible we are evolving backwards? The internet, video games and television all keep students from getting educated. The schools suck here in Cali. and people seem less educated.
Anything is possible, but I don't think we are evolving backwards. Video games, the internet, tv, you can learn from all of them if you use them the right way. Plus, it's still only a small minority that uses these things, not enough for the entire population of humans on earth to be affected by it, and not nearly enough time has gone by, evolution takes hundreds of thousands if not millions of years, we've been electronic for about a hundred, and digital for less than 50.

We can't manipulate the process of evolution, as far as we know.
 

CrackerJax

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There was a recent study lately which said they found out video games are actually improving peoples eyesight.

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PadawanBater

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There was a recent study lately which said they found out video games are actually improving peoples eyesight.

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There's also a lot of educational video games out there that can teach you a lot, people seem to forget about those, Age of Empires is ALL about history, and it's fun as fuck if you're into RTS's! You learn all about supply/demand, military tactics, economic structure, tons of shit!
 

CrackerJax

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The high tech game when i was a kid was RISK.... :lol: Yes, we've come a long way...some good some bad...

I can remember when Compuserve was the BOMB!!! :lol:


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chicoles

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There's also a lot of educational video games out there that can teach you a lot, people seem to forget about those, Age of Empires is ALL about history, and it's fun as fuck if you're into RTS's! You learn all about supply/demand, military tactics, economic structure, tons of shit!
IDK I have read these reports also. I think they take the place of reading books. Reading is the single most important factor in the development of a healthy intellect. I have three kids and am aware of the price they have paid for video game addiction. They are all bright but there is a written history of humanity that is good to be exposed to.
 

CrackerJax

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I have also seen a study which found that the COMBINATION of text and graphics increase cognitive skills in young people..... comic books are actually the way to read stuff. In Japan, comics for adults as well as kids are pretty common.


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CrackerJax

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What Iran Really Thinks About Talks

It's a game of diplomacy without sincerity.




By MICHAEL RUBIN

On Apr. 9, Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, the head of Iran's atomic energy agency, announced that the Islamic Republic had installed 7,000 centrifuges in its Natanz uranium enrichment facility. The announcement came one day after the U.S. State Department announced it would engage Iran directly in multilateral nuclear talks.
Proponents of engagement with Tehran say dialogue provides the only way forward. Iran's progress over the past eight years, they say, is a testament to the failure of Bush administration strategy. President Barack Obama, for example, in his Mar. 21 address to the Iranian government and people, declared that diplomacy "will not be advanced by threats. We seek engagement that is honest and grounded in mutual respect."
Thus our president fulfills a pattern in which new administrations place blame for the failure of diplomacy on predecessors rather than on adversaries. The Islamic Republic is not a passive actor, however. Quite the opposite: While President Obama plays checkers, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei plays chess. The enrichment milestone is a testament both to Tehran's pro-active strategy and to Washington's refusal to recognize it.
Iran's nuclear program dates back to 1989, when the Russian government agreed to complete the reactor at Bushehr. It was a year of optimism in the West: The Iran-Iraq War ended the summer before and, with the death of revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini, leadership passed to Ayatollah Khamenei and President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, both considered moderates.
At the beginning of the year, George H.W. Bush offered an olive branch to Tehran, declaring in his inaugural address, "Good will begets good will. Good faith can be a spiral that endlessly moves on." The mood grew more euphoric in Europe. In 1992, the German government, ever eager for new business opportunities and arguing that trade could moderate the Islamic Republic, launched its own engagement initiative.
It didn't work. While U.S. and European policy makers draw distinctions between reformers and hard-liners in the Islamic Republic, the difference between the two is style, not substance. Both remain committed to Iran's nuclear program. Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami, for example, called for a Dialogue of Civilizations. The European Union (EU) took the bait and, between 2000 and 2005, nearly tripled trade with Iran.
It was a ruse. Iranian officials were as insincere as European diplomats were greedy, gullible or both. Iranian officials now acknowledge that Tehran invested the benefits reaped into its nuclear program.
On June 14, 2008, for example, Abdollah Ramezanzadeh, Mr. Khatami's spokesman, debated advisers to current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the University of Gila in northern Iran. Mr. Ramezanzadeh criticized Mr. Ahmadinejad for his defiant rhetoric, and counseled him to accept the Khatami approach: "We should prove to the entire world that we want power plants for electricity. Afterwards, we can proceed with other activities," Mr. Ramezanzadeh said. The purpose of dialogue, he argued further, was not to compromise, but to build confidence and avoid sanctions. "We had an overt policy, which was one of negotiation and confidence building, and a covert policy, which was continuation of the activities," he said.
The strategy was successful. While today U.S. and European officials laud Mr. Khatami as a peacemaker, it was on his watch that Iran built and operated covertly its Natanz nuclear enrichment plant and, at least until 2003, a nuclear weapons program as well.
Iran's responsiveness to diplomacy is a mirage. After two years of talks following exposure of its Natanz facility, Tehran finally acquiesced to a temporary enrichment suspension, a move which Secretary of State Colin Powell called "a little bit of progress," and the EU hailed.
But, just last Sunday, Hassan Rowhani, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator at the time, acknowledged his government's insincerity. The Iranian leadership agreed to suspension, he explained in an interview with the government-run news Web site, Aftab News, "to counter global consensus against Iran," adding, "We did not accept suspension in construction of centrifuges and continued the effort. . . . We needed a greater number." What diplomats considered progress, Iranian engineers understood to be an opportunity to expand their program.
In his March 24 press conference, Mr. Obama said, "I'm a big believer in persistence." Making the same mistake repeatedly, however, is neither wise nor realism; it is arrogant, naïve and dangerous.
When Mr. Obama declared on April 5 that "All countries can access peaceful nuclear energy," the state-run daily newspaper Resalat responded with a front page headline, "The United States capitulates to the nuclear goals of Iran." With Washington embracing dialogue without accountability and Tehran embracing diplomacy without sincerity, it appears the Iranian government is right.
Mr. Rubin is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.




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medicineman

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The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservative think tank,[1] founded in 1943. According to the institute its mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism — limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[2] AEI is an independent, non-profit organization. It is supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is located in Washington, D.C.

I think the above pretty much sums up the content of the prior post.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
The American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research (AEI) is a conservativethink tank,[1] founded in 1943. According to the institute its mission is "to defend the principles and improve the institutions of American freedom and democratic capitalism — limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate".[2] AEI is an independent, non-profit organization. It is supported primarily by grants and contributions from foundations, corporations, and individuals. It is located in Washington, D.C.

I think the above pretty much sums up the content of the prior post.
Which bring you to the point that

There are Liberal Think thanks that were founded in the past that have missions to attack the principles and undermine the institutions of Freedom, and Democratic Capitalism - limited government, private enterprise, individual liberty, and responsibility, vigilant and effective defense and foreign policies, political accountability, and open debate?

What are you attacking?

The fact that it wants to
support freedom?
support Capitalism?
supports Limited Government?
Supports Private Enterprise?
supports Individual Liberty?
Supports Individual Responsibility?
Supports Vigilant and Effective Defense and Foreign Policies?
Supports Political Accountability?
Supports Open Debate?

What is your problem with any of those?

Do you want more slavery so dislike it's support of Freedom?
Oh, there it is, the Capitalism bit, you support Socialism so have a problem with it supporting Capitalism.
Wait, maybe it's the limited government, you want unlimited government, that dictates, when, where and how much you defecate.
Or maybe you oppose liberty, there is no liberty in slavery.
Or maybe its the individual responsibility...

What's your problem with their goals, because if you say its the fact that they accept donations from corporations I'll laugh my ass off, because the leftist think tanks do the same thing.
 

CrackerJax

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Yes, it is easy to see that their goals are heinous... very unamerican :roll:

His sources are 100% accurate...as are the quotes.

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CrackerJax

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I thought this wasn't going to happen anymore with the election of Obama... :lol:

Iran's Latest U.S. Hostage

Goodwill begets an espionage trial




In 2003, an Iranian-born Canadian photojournalist named Zahra Kazemi was arrested in Tehran, jailed in its notorious Evin prison and charged with espionage. Less than three weeks later, Kazemi was dead. An Iranian doctor who examined her before her death later reported that she had been raped, sustained a skull fracture and had her fingernails ripped out.
Now another foreign journalist is imprisoned at Evin and also charged with espionage. In late January, Roxana Saberi, a U.S.-born reporter of Iranian descent who had been living in Iran for several years, was arrested for buying a bottle of wine. In early March, she was accused of "illegal activities," including working without press credentials. She was later indicted for espionage and on Monday her case went to trial, which lasted a day; a verdict is expected within weeks.
Ms. Saberi's credentials as a journalist can hardly be in doubt. Among other venues, she has reported for the BBC, National Public Radio, Fox News and the Associated Press. But honest journalism in any closed society is always likely to resemble "espionage," at least in the eyes of a suspicious dictatorship.
Thus, in addition to Ms. Saberi, Iran has in recent years also jailed or detained several other U.S. citizens, including Haleh Esfandiari, a scholar at the Washington, D.C.-based Wilson Center; Parnaz Azima, a correspondent for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty; Ali Shakeri, a businessman and Iranian democracy activist; and Kian Tajbakhsh, a scholar working for George Soros's Open Society Institute. All were eventually released, but a former FBI agent, Robert Levinson, went missing in Iran in March 2007. Florida Senator Bill Nelson believes he is being held in an Iranian prison.
Mr. Levinson aside, all of the detained were dual U.S.-Iranian citizens. Also notable is the regime's suspicion of people like Ms. Esfandiari and Mr. Tajbakhsh, both of whom are better known as advocates of engagement with the regime. The regime's mentality only becomes intelligible in the context of seeing these scholars as advocates of political reform, which it views as a soft form of revolution. Among the accusations Iran leveled against Ms. Esfandiari was that the Wilson Center had "played key roles in the intrigues that have led to colorful revolutions in former Soviet republics in recent years."
For now, the important thing is to assure Ms. Saberi's safety and to work for her release. But it is worth noting that her arrest came days after President Obama was inaugurated, that the espionage charges were brought about the same time U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke shook hands with Iran's deputy foreign minister in the Hague (an encounter the Iranian foreign ministry officially denies, by the way), and that her "trial" coincides with news that the Administration will drop the longstanding U.S. demand that Iran cease its uranium enrichment as a precondition to direct talks.
Advocates of engagement often make the case that talks are the best way to foster better relations with Iran, and a better Iran altogether. Ms. Saberi's prosecution is as good an indication as any of the real nature of the regime, and of how the mullahs intend to reciprocate Mr. Obama's open handshake.



A bit more than pirates in a lifeboat with no gas... let's see how Obama does with this poor journalist.



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PadawanBater

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I thought this wasn't going to happen anymore with the election of Obama... :lol:

Iran's Latest U.S. Hostage

Goodwill begets an espionage trial




In 2003, an Iranian-born Canadian photojournalist named Zahra Kazemi was arrested in Tehran, jailed in its notorious Evin prison and charged with espionage. Less than three weeks later, Kazemi was dead. An Iranian doctor who examined her before her death later reported that she had been raped, sustained a skull fracture and had her fingernails ripped out.
Now another foreign journalist is imprisoned at Evin and also charged with espionage. In late January, Roxana Saberi, a U.S.-born reporter of Iranian descent who had been living in Iran for several years, was arrested for buying a bottle of wine. In early March, she was accused of "illegal activities," including working without press credentials. She was later indicted for espionage and on Monday her case went to trial, which lasted a day; a verdict is expected within weeks.
Ms. Saberi's credentials as a journalist can hardly be in doubt. Among other venues, she has reported for the BBC, National Public Radio, Fox News and the Associated Press. But honest journalism in any closed society is always likely to resemble "espionage," at least in the eyes of a suspicious dictatorship.
Thus, in addition to Ms. Saberi, Iran has in recent years also jailed or detained several other U.S. citizens, including Haleh Esfandiari, a scholar at the Washington, D.C.-based Wilson Center; Parnaz Azima, a correspondent for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty; Ali Shakeri, a businessman and Iranian democracy activist; and Kian Tajbakhsh, a scholar working for George Soros's Open Society Institute. All were eventually released, but a former FBI agent, Robert Levinson, went missing in Iran in March 2007. Florida Senator Bill Nelson believes he is being held in an Iranian prison.
Mr. Levinson aside, all of the detained were dual U.S.-Iranian citizens. Also notable is the regime's suspicion of people like Ms. Esfandiari and Mr. Tajbakhsh, both of whom are better known as advocates of engagement with the regime. The regime's mentality only becomes intelligible in the context of seeing these scholars as advocates of political reform, which it views as a soft form of revolution. Among the accusations Iran leveled against Ms. Esfandiari was that the Wilson Center had "played key roles in the intrigues that have led to colorful revolutions in former Soviet republics in recent years."
For now, the important thing is to assure Ms. Saberi's safety and to work for her release. But it is worth noting that her arrest came days after President Obama was inaugurated, that the espionage charges were brought about the same time U.S. envoy Richard Holbrooke shook hands with Iran's deputy foreign minister in the Hague (an encounter the Iranian foreign ministry officially denies, by the way), and that her "trial" coincides with news that the Administration will drop the longstanding U.S. demand that Iran cease its uranium enrichment as a precondition to direct talks.
Advocates of engagement often make the case that talks are the best way to foster better relations with Iran, and a better Iran altogether. Ms. Saberi's prosecution is as good an indication as any of the real nature of the regime, and of how the mullahs intend to reciprocate Mr. Obama's open handshake.



A bit more than pirates in a lifeboat with no gas... let's see how Obama does with this poor journalist.



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Rofl, whether he saves the day or fucks up royally it won't matter to any of you guys, you'll just find the thing he fucked up the most on and complain about that...
 
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PadawanBater

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What do you mean presidents arent supposed to fuck up?

They're human, they fuck up like everyone else.

I agree they should be called on it whenever they do, but that goes for both sides, you can't just call out the Democrat when he fucks up but let everything the Republican does slide.

Time to smoke, what are you blazing Cracker? :bigjoint:
 
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