CrackerJax
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Wow, I might have thought no more than 18. You have some serious learning to do.... you are way behind schedule.
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Iran Update...
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dutchthreat
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Ya ok bud. Masters Degree. Thats all you can come up with? You're going on ignore. Me>You Hows your wifes cramps? Painful I hope 
CrackerJax
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yes, I can see your maturity level is far below 26. Work on it.
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dutchthreat
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You have nothing really to say? Can't say I'm suprised, high school only gets you so far in life.
medicineman
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You're thinkin you're going to live to be 96. Odds are bad for that. like maybe one in a hundred K. Maybe if they figure out stem cell repairs a person can go in for a tune up and get their organs renewed, could be you'll make it, but I can almost certainly guarantee that with mans self destruct mechanism going full blast, some ignorant asshole will drop the bomb. I'd bet you, but I'd never be able to collect, and I'm not living to 96, thats a fair bet after all the abuse I've put my body through. "Where were all the questions when I was 26 and had all the answers"?
CrackerJax
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You didn't say anything worth responding to. I usually give babies a bottle tho... want one?
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PadawanBater
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I don't "know" Iran will not nuke Israel, the reason I think they wont is because I don't see how they will gain anything from doing it, every scenario I play out in my head is negative for Iran if they decided to nuke Israel, and you guys still havn't come up with any reason for motivation other than "to fulfill an ancient prophecy", which does not sound like it would be enough motivation to make the leaders of Iran essentially indirectly destroy their own nation with the reaction it'd bring. In short, it doesn't make any sense.
I do not believe them when they say they want to destroy Israel, no. People who do, act, people who don't, talk. (again, McCain said 'bomb Iran' during the primaries, should Iran jump to arms and send rockets flying because a powerful elected official said something stupid!? Pull your head out)
I think you are nuts.
That may be the reason some men don't believe in God, but that sure as hell isn't my reason. I look at facts, evidence, reality... and decide from there, God fits nowhere in any of this.
As an atheist, I think about each of those daily and can guarantee I have a better understanding than you do on all of them.
Hate to break it to you Max, but there is no God.
　
The very definition of what faith is is control. Without faith, you're religion would crumble and there would be no followers.
-you can pray all you like in schools, what the government did was say "no more SPONSORED prayer in schools" meaning no more time away from actual school to get everyone together and pray. Why should my tax dollars pay for something I don't believe in? Would you be OK if instead of the Christianity type prayer they held Islamic prayer in American public schools 5 times a day by way of your tax dollar? ... thought not.
-the pledge is still there, what the government did was make it voluntary to say, do you have a problem with that? Why are you trying to control what children (easily manipulated by any authoritive figure) say and think in the first place? (I wonder...)
-The American Civil Liberties Union gets involved in cases that impede on CIVIL LIBERTIES, aka, when religion either breaks the law or openly discriminates against people.
Religion is without a doubt the biggest and longest running form of mind control amongst our population and powerful people use it against believers for their own benefit, this is clear to any non believer and it's seen in every society on earth.
America was actually NOT founded on Christain faith, it was founded on the principle that every man, woman and child has a natural right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, and the early settlers of America came here to get away from oppressive religious leaders and governments in Europe to have COMPLETE freedom of religion and FROM religion, asshole. Get your shit right before you open your mouth.
I never said religion controls anything, I said powerful people control gullible retards like you by controlling everything you hear, see, read, believe, and you can't ever think outside the box because you've been told not to by an ancient book that's been backed up by the threat of eternal torment if you do... ooooo!
Islam and Christainity are the same monster with different heads. All of religion is.
CrackerJax
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Paddy, hit me with a stick... I agree with that post... 
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CrackerJax
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I'M SHOCKED!!!
Chinese Company Indicted in Manhattan
District Attorney Alleges Illegal Transactions Aimed to Boost Iran's Nuclear Program
By CHAD BRAY
NEW YORK -- Manhattan District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau said Tuesday that a Chinese company and its manager were indicted on criminal charges for allegedly engaging in illegal financial transactions through U.S. banks to help Iran import a variety of banned materials, including metal alloys that could be used for nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.
At a news conference Tuesday, Mr. Morgenthau announced a 118-count criminal indictment against Li Fangwei, a Chinese citizen, and his company, Limmt Economic and Trade Co., and its various affiliates. The charges include falsifying business records and conspiracy. The falsifying business records counts carry a sentence of up to four years in prison.
The U.S. Treasury Department, which worked closely with Mr. Morgenthau's office, said Tuesday it is freezing Mr. Li's U.S. assets and the assets of Limmt companies, which sells metal alloys and minerals, including high-strength metals and sophisticated military materials.
"This is a case about selling banned materials and contraband by a Chinese company to Iran by using the U.S. financial system," Mr. Morgenthau said.
The district attorney said he intends to ask the Chinese government's assistance in having Mr. Li, 36 years old, of Liaoning province, extradited to the U.S. to face the charges.
Mr. Li, who is also known as Karl Lee, doesn't have an attorney in the U.S. He couldn't immediately be located for comment Tuesday.
Mr. Morgenthau said the company had been banned since 2006 by the Treasury Department from engaging in financial transactions in the U.S. for its role in assisting Iran's nuclear proliferation program.
Limmt used aliases and front companies in order to send and receive dozens of illegal payments through the U.S. between November 2006 and September 2008, Mr. Morgenthau said.
The firm was assisted by two Chinese banks in the transactions and his office is looking into their role in the transactions, the district attorney said. The probe is continuing, he said.
The Treasury Department said Limmt used at least eight aliases or front companies to circumvent U.S. sanctions.
"Our banks have high standards and sophisticated systems to stop these transactions, but this conduct was specifically designed to defeat their systems," Mr. Morgenthau said.
During the period, Limmt used its aliases to provide banned missile, nuclear and so-called "dual-use" materials to subsidiaries of Iran's Defense Industries Organization, a unit of the Iranian military, Mr. Morgenthau said.
The materials included 15,000 kilograms of specialized aluminum alloy used for long-range missiles, more than 30,000 kilograms of tungsten-copper plates, 24,500 kilograms of maraging steel rods, Mr. Morgenthau said.
Limmt and Iran's Defense Industries Organization also engaged in negotiations for gyroscopes and accelerometers used in long-range missiles, he said.
Mr. Morgenthau said he doesn't believe any of the New York banks were aware of the true nature of the illegal transactions. He thanked units of Bank of New York Mellon Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo Corp., Bank of America Corp. and Standard Chartered for their assistance.
"We think they were completely deceived by the use of multiple aliases," Mr. Morgenthau said.
On Tuesday, Treasury also froze the assets of a group of Iranian firms for allegedly acting on behalf of Iran's Defense Industries Organization and the Iranian Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics. Both Iranian offices had already been designated by the U.S. State Department for engaging in activities that contributed to the development of Iran's nuclear and missile programs.
Earlier this year, Mr. Morgenthau said he was probing whether nine European banks helped Iran or Iranian clients evade U.S. sanctions.
In particular, Mr. Morgenthau, who didn't name the banks at the time, said he was looking into whether the banks helped Iran engage in prohibited transactions, including purchasing materials that could be used in its nuclear proliferation program. (nice).
Mr. Morgenthau's office has been looking into the practice of "stripping," where the identities of bank clients are removed from wire-transfer information. The practice helps clients avoid filters used by U.S. banks to detect transactions from countries under U.S. sanctions.
On Tuesday, Mr. Morgenthau said his office has been able to shut down at least eight improper transactions as a result of grand jury subpoenas issued to banks as part of the probe.
In January, Lloyds TSB Group PLC's banking unit reached a deferred prosecution agreement with Mr. Morgenthau's office and the U.S. Department of Justice and to pay $350 million in fines and forfeiture over stripping.
Between the mid-1990s and 2007, Lloyds TSB's banking unit deliberately altered wire transfer information that allowed $350 million in transactions by clients in Iran, Sudan and other countries to avoid detection, prosecutors said.
Lloyds TSB is cooperating with Mr. Morgenthau's probe.
The Lloyds probe grew out of an investigation into the suspicious movement of money by alleged Iranian front companies and charities -- namely the relationship between Iran's government and the Alavi Foundation and Assa Corp. in New York, Mr. Morgenthau has said.
In December, the U.S. government filed an action to seize a 40% stake of 650 Fifth Ave. -- known as the Piaget Building -- from Assa, saying the company is a front for Iran's state-owned Bank Melli. The bank is subject to U.S. sanctions for allegedly funneling money to Iran's nuclear weapons program.
The building in midtown Manhattan was built in the 1970s by Alavi, which was set up by Iran's former shah. The foundation owns a 60% stake in the building.
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Chinese Company Indicted in Manhattan
District Attorney Alleges Illegal Transactions Aimed to Boost Iran's Nuclear Program
By CHAD BRAY
NEW YORK -- Manhattan District Attorney Robert M. Morgenthau said Tuesday that a Chinese company and its manager were indicted on criminal charges for allegedly engaging in illegal financial transactions through U.S. banks to help Iran import a variety of banned materials, including metal alloys that could be used for nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles.
At a news conference Tuesday, Mr. Morgenthau announced a 118-count criminal indictment against Li Fangwei, a Chinese citizen, and his company, Limmt Economic and Trade Co., and its various affiliates. The charges include falsifying business records and conspiracy. The falsifying business records counts carry a sentence of up to four years in prison.
The U.S. Treasury Department, which worked closely with Mr. Morgenthau's office, said Tuesday it is freezing Mr. Li's U.S. assets and the assets of Limmt companies, which sells metal alloys and minerals, including high-strength metals and sophisticated military materials.
"This is a case about selling banned materials and contraband by a Chinese company to Iran by using the U.S. financial system," Mr. Morgenthau said.
The district attorney said he intends to ask the Chinese government's assistance in having Mr. Li, 36 years old, of Liaoning province, extradited to the U.S. to face the charges.
Mr. Li, who is also known as Karl Lee, doesn't have an attorney in the U.S. He couldn't immediately be located for comment Tuesday.
Mr. Morgenthau said the company had been banned since 2006 by the Treasury Department from engaging in financial transactions in the U.S. for its role in assisting Iran's nuclear proliferation program.
Limmt used aliases and front companies in order to send and receive dozens of illegal payments through the U.S. between November 2006 and September 2008, Mr. Morgenthau said.
The firm was assisted by two Chinese banks in the transactions and his office is looking into their role in the transactions, the district attorney said. The probe is continuing, he said.
The Treasury Department said Limmt used at least eight aliases or front companies to circumvent U.S. sanctions.
"Our banks have high standards and sophisticated systems to stop these transactions, but this conduct was specifically designed to defeat their systems," Mr. Morgenthau said.
During the period, Limmt used its aliases to provide banned missile, nuclear and so-called "dual-use" materials to subsidiaries of Iran's Defense Industries Organization, a unit of the Iranian military, Mr. Morgenthau said.
The materials included 15,000 kilograms of specialized aluminum alloy used for long-range missiles, more than 30,000 kilograms of tungsten-copper plates, 24,500 kilograms of maraging steel rods, Mr. Morgenthau said.
Limmt and Iran's Defense Industries Organization also engaged in negotiations for gyroscopes and accelerometers used in long-range missiles, he said.
Mr. Morgenthau said he doesn't believe any of the New York banks were aware of the true nature of the illegal transactions. He thanked units of Bank of New York Mellon Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo Corp., Bank of America Corp. and Standard Chartered for their assistance.
"We think they were completely deceived by the use of multiple aliases," Mr. Morgenthau said.
On Tuesday, Treasury also froze the assets of a group of Iranian firms for allegedly acting on behalf of Iran's Defense Industries Organization and the Iranian Ministry of Defense and Armed Forces Logistics. Both Iranian offices had already been designated by the U.S. State Department for engaging in activities that contributed to the development of Iran's nuclear and missile programs.
Earlier this year, Mr. Morgenthau said he was probing whether nine European banks helped Iran or Iranian clients evade U.S. sanctions.
In particular, Mr. Morgenthau, who didn't name the banks at the time, said he was looking into whether the banks helped Iran engage in prohibited transactions, including purchasing materials that could be used in its nuclear proliferation program. (nice).
Mr. Morgenthau's office has been looking into the practice of "stripping," where the identities of bank clients are removed from wire-transfer information. The practice helps clients avoid filters used by U.S. banks to detect transactions from countries under U.S. sanctions.
On Tuesday, Mr. Morgenthau said his office has been able to shut down at least eight improper transactions as a result of grand jury subpoenas issued to banks as part of the probe.
In January, Lloyds TSB Group PLC's banking unit reached a deferred prosecution agreement with Mr. Morgenthau's office and the U.S. Department of Justice and to pay $350 million in fines and forfeiture over stripping.
Between the mid-1990s and 2007, Lloyds TSB's banking unit deliberately altered wire transfer information that allowed $350 million in transactions by clients in Iran, Sudan and other countries to avoid detection, prosecutors said.
Lloyds TSB is cooperating with Mr. Morgenthau's probe.
The Lloyds probe grew out of an investigation into the suspicious movement of money by alleged Iranian front companies and charities -- namely the relationship between Iran's government and the Alavi Foundation and Assa Corp. in New York, Mr. Morgenthau has said.
In December, the U.S. government filed an action to seize a 40% stake of 650 Fifth Ave. -- known as the Piaget Building -- from Assa, saying the company is a front for Iran's state-owned Bank Melli. The bank is subject to U.S. sanctions for allegedly funneling money to Iran's nuclear weapons program.
The building in midtown Manhattan was built in the 1970s by Alavi, which was set up by Iran's former shah. The foundation owns a 60% stake in the building.
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dutchthreat
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Money for nuclear programs isn't the end of the world. What website you get that from, www.probush.com?
If you had any educated clue how long it takes to create the technology to make nuclear weapons you wouldn't be worried. Oh and the overall cost is not something Iran could afford.
You have already fucked up enough countries. Take your hands out of another.
If you had any educated clue how long it takes to create the technology to make nuclear weapons you wouldn't be worried. Oh and the overall cost is not something Iran could afford.
You have already fucked up enough countries. Take your hands out of another.
hu..the first time you said anything about being a NON believer in iran they would cut your head off..
amazing the tolerance that is showed by a religion you claim to hate to much.
id like to see your proof their is no god..
id like you to show me where the universe begins and wear it ends if you would please.?
id like to know how the universe got here to begin with .
id like to know where numbers start and where they end ? and why?
id also like for you to explain einstien's energy without mass theory if you would please?
i guess you are not god after all..just a big bag of gas like the rest of your buddies .
id like to see you weasel your way out of what you are about to receive .
CrackerJax
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So Max, you are deep into the myth huh?
Here I was thinking you were a free (but violent) thinker...
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PadawanBater
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That's why I wouldn't say I'm an atheist if I lived in Iran. I would lie to everyone and pretend i'm a muslim to save my own life, absolutely.
Islam is completely intollerant. I think all religions are intollerant by their very nature. Each of them all have rules against believing in other Gods... Wonder why...
I'd like to see your proof there is a God. The burden of proof rests with you, the one claiming to know a God exists, till then, I can't disprove it. So yeah, good luck with that.
I don't know where the universe begins and where it ends, how would I and why should I? It sure as fuck didn't come into existence 6,000 years ago...
I'd like to know how the universe got here to begin with too!
Mathematics from what we know is a universal constant that applies to everything we know.
Einsteins energy without mass theory? WTF are you talking about, the general theory of relativity?... e=mc2? Has nothing to do with energy without mass, has to do with spacetime and gravity...
I'm not God and I never claimed I was...
What is it exactly that I'm about to receive, Max?
Quick question, do you believe theres anything I could do on earth that I would deserve to be punished for eternity? Like if I killed a thousand babies or raped a hundred women... do you think that an ETERNAL punishment would be justified?
Woomeister
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All muslim men that work give 10% of their earnings to their local mosques to be distributed between the poor. This is an intrinsic part of their faith and shows that they are not all nutters and their faith is compassionate in some ways. I cant think what its called at the moment... Zakat, thats it!
i am a free thinker.So Max, you are deep into the myth huh?
Here I was thinking you were a free (but violent) thinker...
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i also think any man who does not believe in god is a fool.at least if he has a mind that is capable of trying to grasp the concept of the universe.
i am not however going to dwell on it .
i like to think of myself as a realist.
matter of fact it makes me a pretty good investor.
i can show you several of the worlds smartest minds in economics right now and everyone of them is predicting doom for the USA.
soros, rogers,faber,buffet,murdock .
these people are all billionaire's expt maybe faber.
and faber is NEVER WRONG . the guy is fucking amazing.
that being said to look at history. do i like someone stealing my freedom? no...
do i like what i have worked so hard for to be taken from me at threat of force to give to others who do not work?
NO
i dont like seeing the constitution trampled day in and day out NO.
DO I THINK THIS GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE WITHOUT FORCE? NO
do i think the federal reserve is going to print money and cause inflation? without a doubt.
every man has a right to be a fool in the USA .
every man does not have a right to force his stupidity on the rest of america through the government.
this government is out of control without a doubt and out of its constitutional boundrys.
i dont think a disbleif in god makes you enlightened. like i said it makes you a fool.
go ahead and be a fool if you want. i am not someone who would force my belief's on you.
the liberals on the other hand will do it.
not only will they force their ideal's and beliefs on you they will do it at force and with robbery through the government.
they will enslave you with your own money.or at least try to.
CrackerJax
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Now, see, I'm a bit of an optimist ... I just think we can turn this ship around. No need to have a violent meltdown. Our founding fathers gave us all the tools we need to change things...one of the greatest gifts they bestowed upon us. They gave us those gifts, so we wouldn't have to have revolution upon revolution...
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i was trying to point out that these things have no start or ending .
it is infinite . it is beyond the human minds comprehension . like god in some instances.
all we know is the universe is there . that is all we KNOW . to know past that would take god's knowledge .
does a dog or cat question why it is a dog or a cat? no. all it knows simply is it is a dog or cat and proceeds to live its life as such. same as i do as a human.i know i do not know ALL. i try to learn something new everyday. or two.
still i will never know it all.it is a waste of time to contemplate these things. i believe what i believe and will allow you to do the same so long as it does not interfere with me.
im have never told people on this site my theorys of evolution as i KNOW it would piss alot of people off.
it is infinite . it is beyond the human minds comprehension . like god in some instances.
all we know is the universe is there . that is all we KNOW . to know past that would take god's knowledge .
does a dog or cat question why it is a dog or a cat? no. all it knows simply is it is a dog or cat and proceeds to live its life as such. same as i do as a human.i know i do not know ALL. i try to learn something new everyday. or two.
still i will never know it all.it is a waste of time to contemplate these things. i believe what i believe and will allow you to do the same so long as it does not interfere with me.
im have never told people on this site my theorys of evolution as i KNOW it would piss alot of people off.
all of this is based upon having a educated and fully informed voters.Now, see, I'm a bit of an optimist ... I just think we can turn this ship around. No need to have a violent meltdown. Our founding fathers gave us all the tools we need to change things...one of the greatest gifts they bestowed upon us. They gave us those gifts, so we wouldn't have to have revolution upon revolution...
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the media is controlled by large unions .
the media for the most part in this country has a complete left bias.
groups such as acorn have a voter registration of 110% in my city.
how are you going to get free and fair elections without a informed voter?
how are you going to get free and fair elections when acorn is registering dogs and cats ..and the dead?
CrackerJax
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I agree, but misery will bring the education...the free ride is a lie and the truth is slowly going to dawn of folks...it's already happening...
It's not too late...20 months and counting before i change my mind on this matter.
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It's not too late...20 months and counting before i change my mind on this matter.
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PadawanBater
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Max, I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about evolution! Seriously, I know this is an Iran thread, but let's hear it!
Also, the entire group Acorn is not responsible for what a few of it's employees did. Give me proof that there's a 110% voter registration in your city, because I don't buy that bullshit for a second. Is the CEO of Best Buy responsible for an employee in one of it's stores stealing a bunch of electronics? Of course not, exact same type of situation dealing with Acorn. A few of their employees (who ACORN ITSELF turned into the authorities) were sitting at home filling out voter registration forms and collecting the money instead of handing them out legally... OMG VOTER FRUAD!!!
Where on the other hand your ass probably had nothing to say about the diebold machines being used... huh? That is actual voter fraud, and Princeton proved it, but because W. was the president, it's all good, right?
Also, the entire group Acorn is not responsible for what a few of it's employees did. Give me proof that there's a 110% voter registration in your city, because I don't buy that bullshit for a second. Is the CEO of Best Buy responsible for an employee in one of it's stores stealing a bunch of electronics? Of course not, exact same type of situation dealing with Acorn. A few of their employees (who ACORN ITSELF turned into the authorities) were sitting at home filling out voter registration forms and collecting the money instead of handing them out legally... OMG VOTER FRUAD!!!
Where on the other hand your ass probably had nothing to say about the diebold machines being used... huh? That is actual voter fraud, and Princeton proved it, but because W. was the president, it's all good, right?