How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?

Dr. Who

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Buba Blend said:
I think the fighting has come near it's end. Not much else can be said at this point, It will just be repetitive and become boring soon without new material, at least for the rest of us. Bet if it happens again the ratings on it will be down.

Love real time bud porn, hate it when it looks better than mine, but I still want to see it.

A lot of scientists here and no one can say if ingredients in ffof may create stronger conditions for gnats to survive and thrive versus other soils, sad. Guess it wasn't scientific enough. I did enjoy chemphlegm's answer.

And a real life real time gnat story gets lost in the garble, probably my own garble. I have more real life gnat stories for another day. Probably irrelevant to the pirated direction of the thread.

Her is a tip for the Buba's out there, the one's that can't spell Bubba.
Don't feel sad that you don't have a clue about some of the things being said above, I don't either. You don't need to worry about that shit to grow dank weed.
You just need a good environment, good soil a seed and water.

My confidence is still high that I will have dank xtal this time, strong indicators are plant conditions and not surprisingly my water style. It is quite similar to the way I watered before I ran into problems.
My tasks are fun now. Mostly trying to figure out how and when my plants pray. Hope praying 24/7 is a good thing because that's what I'm shooting for.

My nicest bud picks are pre 2016. The mediocre bud above is the best I had in 3 grows, or for me 2 years. If the grow taking place now (water only, 3 week flower) does not develop the xtal I'm looking for, I will retire my avatar and put the most recent shitty bud in place of my avatar.
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Something in OF that attracts gnats......other then being moist and rich....not really....... Rich is basically all potting soils - not media's. So that helps a bit. Still, seen them in all forms of hydro too (If they had a media starter/holder, like expanded clay. I saw a guy with larvae in his root riots, before....

So being moist or damp all the time is a big attraction.
 
Dr. Who

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Tangerine_ said:
I swear to god...you need hip waders to enter some of these threads.

Some of you have only been growing for a short time and it shows...trust me...it shows. There are certain tell-tales that old seasoned growers can spot a mile away...no matter how much bullshit you sling.

Especially when you contradict yourself from past posts, never posts pics of your set up, or look to argue with anyone posting just to you stroke your egos.

Why the fuck is always those with the least amount of personal experience the loudest?

And I don't give a shit who gets butt hurt over this post. If the shoe fits....lace that bitch up and wear it.
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You forgot the part about that when you do post requested pics. It's not good enough later....

Tangerine_ said:
Better yet, if they're going to offer condescending "advice" they should have some grow journals or at least some pics of their set up.
And not a few synthetically grown plants that a trained monkey could tend.
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Some folks that have grown years and years don't post many pics or make journals. I don't see that as a requirement to anything. I have unease in posting pics sometimes.

In talking to another member here...about the potency of some strains and the cost of beans as far as rare strains go.....He sent me some beans to grow out. I thought about doing a journal and said I would in a cpl of places....Finally found the time to begin that by inserting them into the rotation (and after new soils built have cooked). For me, and my unease at posting pics. This is going to be a big step....

So, I'm including his mailing in a pic for confirmation to him I got them and am starting the run. I guess I'm trying to say....My first journal is not to placate anybody and be proof of anything.

It's simply a challenge - friend to friend on how you can have ball busting potency in a cheap package. Rare or cutting edge, high price beans be damned.

Look for it in the Journal threads as of today.
 
MichiganMedGrower

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Tangerine_ said:
I did actually and it may or may not be spilling into the forums. That's beside the point though. My tolerance for know-it-alls throwing shade on other peoples gardens when they don't post any pics of their own is at an all time low.
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Are these comments for me Tangerine?

If they are or not I just want to say that in craft or career some people have 20 years of experience.

And some only have 1 year of experience and then repeat it 20 times.

My first sales manager/ owner of his company told me this when I was young.

This advice seems to hold true in my career in sales and management/training for over 20 years.

And it has definitely been true about my side career of "making available" our beloved flowers for just over 20 years. Been over a decade since I have been around. Many have ended up in prison or dead.

And it is why I spent years studying and then 3 years practicing before I ever even posted any flowers, info or results online.

I came here to see and learn more. And share what I have learned.

I just wanted to share this perspective. ;-)
 
chemphlegm

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Dr. Who said:
Something in OF that attracts gnats......other then being moist and rich....not really....... Rich is basically all potting soils - not media's. So that helps a bit. Still, seen them in all forms of hydro too (If they had a media starter/holder, like expanded clay. I saw a guy with larvae in his root riots, before....

So being moist or damp all the time is a big attraction.
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they are after all called fungus gnats, they love fungus, which needs moisture to thrive. wet towels, damp soil/peat damp wood chips fits the bill nicely
 
Tangerine_

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Dr. Who said:
You forgot the part about that when you do post requested pics. It's not good enough later....



Some folks that have grown years and years don't post many pics or make journals. I don't see that as a requirement to anything. I have unease in posting pics sometimes.

In talking to another member here...about the potency of some strains and the cost of beans as far as rare strains go.....He sent me some beans to grow out. I thought about doing a journal and said I would in a cpl of places....Finally found the time to begin that by inserting them into the rotation (and after new soils built have cooked). For me, and my unease at posting pics. This is going to be a big step....

So, I'm including his mailing in a pic for confirmation to him I got them and am starting the run. I guess I'm trying to say....My first journal is not to placate anybody and be proof of anything.

It's simply a challenge - friend to friend on how you can have ball busting potency in a cheap package. Rare or cutting edge, high price beans be damned.

Look for it in the Journal threads as of today.
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MichiganMedGrower said:
Are these comments for me Tangerine?

If they are or not I just want to say that in craft or career some people have 20 years of experience.

And some only have 1 year of experience and then repeat it 20 times.

My first sales manager/ owner of his company told me this when I was young.

This advice seems to hold true in my career in sales and management/training for over 20 years.

And it has definitely been true about my side career of "making available" our beloved flowers for just over 20 years. Been over a decade since I have been around. Many have ended up in prison or dead.

And it is why I spent years studying and then 3 years practicing before I ever even posted any flowers, info or results online.

I came here to see and learn more. And share what I have learned.

I just wanted to share this perspective. ;-)
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I know you two don't always see eye to eye and that's cool. We don't always get along with everyone we encounter, and I can see you're both "right" fighters that tend to dig your heels in.
But...you've both posted pics of your set-up, finished plants, etc. so I'd hope neither of you took my post to heart.
My post is about ppl who throw shade on a growers skills (or lack thereof due to newness) with condescending unhelpful snarky replies as they wax on about their yrs and yrs of skill and massively perfect grow set up.

IMO, if your not putting your own shit out there for critique then ya have no business throwing shade on anyone elses skills or choice of grow method.

Normally when I see those kind of posts I just roll my eyes and scroll on by but I had super shitty day and Chunky was right....my bitchiness spilled into the forums. And really, who am I to say how someone finds validity and meaning in life.
 
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Chunky Stool

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Dr. Who said:
Something in OF that attracts gnats......other then being moist and rich....not really....... Rich is basically all potting soils - not media's. So that helps a bit. Still, seen them in all forms of hydro too (If they had a media starter/holder, like expanded clay. I saw a guy with larvae in his root riots, before....

So being moist or damp all the time is a big attraction.
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Have you tried Gnat Nix?
I've been looking at it, but reviews are mixed. I think it is made from DE chunks.
Old school way to get rid of gnats is smothering the surface of the soil with something like sand. A lot of perlite can also work if it is thick enough.
Lately I've been using biological mosquito control from a company called MicrobeLift. 1/2 oz costs about $8 but one drop treats 1.5 gallons, so my little bottle will last a very long time. It's the same thing used in mosquito bits only it's a lot easier to use. Cheaper too.
My outdoor plants had gnats big-time and they were wiped out in about 4 days. :hump:

* - BMC doesn't work on thrips. Use spinosad on them.
 
Chunky Stool

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Tangerine_ said:
I know you two don't always see eye to eye and that's cool. We don't always get along with everyone we encounter, and I can see you're both "right" fighters that tend to dig your heels in.
But...you've both posted pics of your set-up, finished plants, etc. so I'd hope neither of you took my post to heart.
My post is about ppl who throw shade on a growers skills (or lack thereof due to newness) with condescending unhelpful snarky replies as they wax on about their yrs and yrs of skill and massively perfect grow set up.

IMO, if your not putting your own shit out there for critique then ya have no business throwing shade on anyone elses skills or choice of grow method.

Normally when I see those kind of posts I just roll my eyes and scroll on by but I had super shitty day and Chunky was right....my bitchiness spilled into the forums. And really, who am I to say how someone finds validity and meaning in life.
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I ignore a lot of stuff that would have pissed me off when I was younger. Hell I'm practically silent on facebook these days. (And there was much rejoicing.)
Honestly, I think a lot of noobs come here for validation. Some people cling to certain aspects of their grows when there's absolutely no reason to do so. Not sure why. Maybe they have made recommendations to others and don't want to admit they were mistaken???
 
Buba Blend

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from this link about FG's
http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn7448.html

I pulled this from the paragraph on "Water and Soil Management"

Avoid fertilizing with excessive amounts of manure, blood meal, or similar organic materials.

Why are those amendments specified over others?
I wish instead of saying similar organic material they specified which ones other than those two, or said all other organic materials.
If not all organic materials. Then are some amendments excluded or less troublesome?
 
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Tangerine_

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I remember reading lengthy discussions regarding FFOF and pH instability as well as the fungus gnat reports.

Sometime in 2013 Fox Farms exhausted their resources for their Ocean forest material and quality control issues followed.

Fox Farm also stated they added the Hypoaspis miles to combat the fungus gnats. (people were losing their freakin minds thinking they had those dreaded RAs)

I would assume most of those threads are still searchable/available for anyone interested?

IME, its decent soil and any of those issues can easily be addressed with a bit of lime/oyster shell flour and a Gnatrol drench.

I know keeping the soil dry works but for those growing organic, No Til or ROLS, watering when "dry" isn't feasible. Nematodes or Bti, etc is the best option IMO
 
TacoMac

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Tangerine_ said:
I remember reading lengthy discussions regarding FFOF and pH instability as well as the fungus gnat reports.

Sometime in 2013 Fox Farms exhausted their resources for their Ocean forest material and quality control issues followed.
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A lot of that can also be put at the foot of retailers who don't properly stack/store the products.
 
Chunky Stool

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Tangerine_ said:
I remember reading lengthy discussions regarding FFOF and pH instability as well as the fungus gnat reports.

Sometime in 2013 Fox Farms exhausted their resources for their Ocean forest material and quality control issues followed.

Fox Farm also stated they added the Hypoaspis miles to combat the fungus gnats. (people were losing their freakin minds thinking they had those dreaded RAs)

I would assume most of those threads are still searchable/available for anyone interested?

IME, its decent soil and any of those issues can easily be addressed with a bit of lime/oyster shell flour and a Gnatrol drench.

I know keeping the soil dry works but for those growing organic, No Til or ROLS, watering when "dry" isn't feasible. Nematodes or Bti, etc is the best option IMO
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TacoMac said:
A lot of that can also be put at the foot of retailers who don't properly stack/store the products.
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It's definitely not hurting sales.
A buddy of mine tried to buy some last weekend, and everyone in our immediate area was sold out!
Rumor has it that *one* guy came through and bought it all.
Weird.
 
Tangerine_

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Chunky Stool said:
It's definitely not hurting sales.
A buddy of mine tried to buy some last weekend, and everyone in our immediate area was sold out!
Rumor has it that *one* guy came through and bought it all.
Weird.
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I believe it.
Its popular soil that produces good bud. It always worked for me but I switched Roots Original. I like the texture and its a bit more forgiving. I use it for seedlings and freshly rooted clones or when I'm waiting for a batch of soil to cook.

Kinda early but that guy might've been stocking up winter supplies before the store sells out or puts their shit away? I have to do the same before the snow falls so I can close up my bulkhead door.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Chunky Stool said:
Have you tried Gnat Nix?
I've been looking at it, but reviews are mixed. I think it is made from DE chunks.
Old school way to get rid of gnats is smothering the surface of the soil with something like sand. A lot of perlite can also work if it is thick enough.
Lately I've been using biological mosquito control from a company called MicrobeLift. 1/2 oz costs about $8 but one drop treats 1.5 gallons, so my little bottle will last a very long time. It's the same thing used in mosquito bits only it's a lot easier to use. Cheaper too.
My outdoor plants had gnats big-time and they were wiped out in about 4 days. :hump:

* - BMC doesn't work on thrips. Use spinosad on them.
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Oh you hit it on the head Chunk! MicrobeLift BMC.....I get the big bottle as it goes in standing water containers around the farm to kill the dreaded mooseskeeters in our swampy parts..

Works great....
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Chunky Stool said:
It's definitely not hurting sales.
A buddy of mine tried to buy some last weekend, and everyone in our immediate area was sold out!
Rumor has it that *one* guy came through and bought it all.
Weird.
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LOL, Plenty of skid buyers around here.....I get Potters gold that way. Barn stored, under a tarp.. cpl of us split the skid up.
Cut out the middleman and buy "factory" direct now.....
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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Tangerine_ said:
I know you two don't always see eye to eye and that's cool. We don't always get along with everyone we encounter, and I can see you're both "right" fighters that tend to dig your heels in.
But...you've both posted pics of your set-up, finished plants, etc. so I'd hope neither of you took my post to heart.
My post is about ppl who throw shade on a growers skills (or lack thereof due to newness) with condescending unhelpful snarky replies as they wax on about their yrs and yrs of skill and massively perfect grow set up.

IMO, if your not putting your own shit out there for critique then ya have no business throwing shade on anyone elses skills or choice of grow method.

Normally when I see those kind of posts I just roll my eyes and scroll on by but I had super shitty day and Chunky was right....my bitchiness spilled into the forums. And really, who am I to say how someone finds validity and meaning in life.
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I had no real problem with your comments.....Caught my eye is all. I mean after the knuckle buster twixt Med and I, I suspected it caught his too.

No harm, no foul! Right nice of you to reply to us. Thanks.....
 
papa canna

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I have a small shaker of mosquito bits, but I wasn't sure if its safe to put that in a freshly potted small clone. Then again I worry that the larva may be
 
Dynamo626

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soooo only read the first and last page but here is what i know. The ffof bugs are preditory mites as stated. Origonaly added to control our friend the gnat. Its been a couple years since ff had the gnat problem. There rep for my store told me they still add them because they also eat mold which can form on the inside of the bags. ( dont know wether to believe him because it sounds wierd to me that a preditor also eats mold?) even if you get a few gnats, regardless of soil type they die out fairly quickly as long as you dont over water. It dosnt mater what your amending with indoors your blood meal isnt going to attract gnats if there arnt any to attract. If there are gnats present regardless of what amendments you use the gnats are going to eat whats available. Say liver is your most hated food. If you havent eaten in a couple days you will eat the liver and be happy. If you have an infestation first fix the problem.... Watering to often... The microbe life misquito control is a larvaside and works well. Personaly i prefer SM90. onily needed to use it once but its awsome. Its a root inoculant with the added bonus of killing off fg. Its best if you use mechanicle traps with your treatments aka sticky traps
 
Ford Racing

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Anything Fox Farm is not a good choice. Every bag I bought (3-4 years ago) had fungus knats. Use Coast of Maine Platinum blend. I've used it for years and still use it. Promix bx is a good choice as well
 
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