How much does genetics really matter for seeds? How much of it is a scam?

curious2garden

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Trap Star said:
They should give cbd to greenout victims at the hospital.
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LOL wouldn't that be cool. We didn't consider them victims but requiring education. So there was usually a discussion about titration. This occurred after the Benadryl had done it's job and calmed them. If they had cardiac issues and we were dealing with an SVT we used a chronotrope. Which CBD won't assist with. So when you actually did need us CBD would not work.

However if it was busy you were left in the waiting room after a dose of Benadryl and zero patient education. LOL and hopefully were more thoughtful about using a gravity bong in the future when you're 64.
 
Tolerance Break

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pegboy said:
If I pop 200 seeds and only find one decent plant I'm quitting growing forever.
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Again, this is a relative statement. I find every Pineapple Fields seed I grow to be good smoke, a couple have been great, none have been the smoke of legend.

I think everyone has different standards, which complicates the conversation. Duration of high, effects, and tolerance obliteration seem to be pretty highly valued, but alot of folks care about bag appeal, terps, density, stickiness, etc
 
DanKiller

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I care about effect only and potency of that effect, sure I want a complete pheno that has all three dialed in (potency,taste,smell) but I've got all kinds of phenos, some smelled crazy powerful, some had huge trichomes, some had vigour, but most was lacking in the effects, big time.
I used to love heavy hitters but daytime smoke was perfect aswell, Florida Og, Mango Shappire, Shappire Og, Forum Cut, I smoked them all, sure not all wrecked your day but they had similar strength to their own effects.
Weed has lost its uniqueness, everything is lame cardboard shoebox bud.
The good stuff is at home grows only, outdoor or indoor.
I quit buying from big ops a long time ago.
 
zoomer428

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DanKiller said:
So you disagree just to write a whole paragraph on how you basically agree ? Nice
And plants are like humans, you are born with what you are born, ain't no changing that, if you are black you can lift all the weights you want you won't become white
So, translate to seeds, you can grow the baddest plant and make it a Christmas tree the world has never seen, and you can hug and kiss it on lonely nights, but if it wasn't born to be fire, it will never be.
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What my point was is that fire can be found everywhere. Its HEAVILY Dependent on the grower to pull good bud from any genetics. For reference some of the best bud you'll ever smoke will herm. Its considered bad genetics. So this topic isn't as black and white as you might think it is.

And as for being born with what your born with, push yourself. Your better than your mind let's on. The same goes for these plants.
 
Trap Star

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When I go to the dispo I am looking at strain name for key strains...
I am looking for awesome bud structure
I look for bud I wish I grew...

If they don't have anything that fits the bill....I leave.
I went through 14 dispo' s in the Denver area.
I found 2-- Den Rec & Xclusive...
Den Rec had The White...a very fire clone only
Xclusive had i-95....ultra fire from jj NYC

I have a feeling that if I set foot in OK, OH, MO, OR
It will be the same thing all over
 
DanKiller

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zoomer428 said:
What my point was is that fire can be found everywhere. Its HEAVILY Dependent on the grower to pull good bud from any genetics. For reference some of the best bud you'll ever smoke will herm. Its considered bad genetics. So this topic isn't as black and white as you might think it is.

And as for being born with what your born with, push yourself. Your better than your mind let's on. The same goes for these plants.
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You live in a fantasy my friend, no disrespect or anything, you sound intelligent but just got it wrong..
It is not HEAVILY dependent on the grower, it's dependent on the seed and where it came from.
Again, you avoid the question, if I work hard and push myself will I become black instead of white?
No, therefore you are born with what you were born with, that's it, you can improve that, not change it.
Same goes with plants, if your seeds came from good parents (smoke defines fire, not hermi or slow growth or anything else but the smoke)
Then you have a chance, even if you grow badly and cause mold and herm and whatnot, your smoke will be fire.
If it did, you can improve upon that foundation.
Herm is not bad genetics if the smoke is fire, I had a bagseed herm but it was the best smoke I had in the last 5 years, I will take this plant over any non herm seed you give me.
Growing is one aspect, smoking is another, I don't recall people calling plants fire because they grow a or b or look a or b or herm or whatever, they define the smoke of said phenos.

Btw I'm still pushing myself and my mind, when my skin change colors I'll update you !
 
zoomer428

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DanKiller said:
You live in a fantasy my friend, no disrespect or anything, you sound intelligent but just got it wrong..
It is not HEAVILY dependent on the grower, it's dependent on the seed and where it came from.
Again, you avoid the question, if I work hard and push myself will I become black instead of white?
No, therefore you are born with what you were born with, that's it, you can improve that, not change it.
Same goes with plants, if your seeds came from good parents (smoke defines fire, not hermi or slow growth or anything else but the smoke)
Then you have a chance, even if you grow badly and cause mold and herm and whatnot, your smoke will be fire.
If it did, you can improve upon that foundation.
Herm is not bad genetics if the smoke is fire, I had a bagseed herm but it was the best smoke I had in the last 5 years, I will take this plant over any non herm seed you give me.
Growing is one aspect, smoking is another, I don't recall people calling plants fire because they grow a or b or look a or b or herm or whatever, they define the smoke of said phenos.

Btw I'm still pushing myself and my mind, when my skin change colors I'll update you !
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Exactly what are you talking about skin color for?? I get if you say no matter how hard you try your HEIGHT will never change. But skin color? And then you prove my point with the herming plant. That is considered bad but as you and I agree, they produce some serious smoke. I'm not saying your going to take every single bag seed and make a banger of a plant. But a good grower? A good grower CAN take every single bag seed and make GOOD smoke. It may not be the top of the line but its far better than your average smoker can. And its proven. This isn't new science or something. The same goes for people, for dogs, for any living creature. Were all made to adapt. I have no idea why you keep talking about skin color as if thats relevant some how.

I just wanted to fill in also and say if you don't think a good grower can take any bag seed and make it work because they have experience then you need to watch some of the growers that have the experience go at it. Again its not gonna be a walk in the park because these aren't top shelf genetics. Just like you or I aren't gifted basketball players. It doesn't mean we can work our asses off and get there. We can. Anyone can. Your not going to change your height but you will become more skilled than someone who is gifted but doesn't work hard. Obv being gifted would be the best but we and our plants can't all be stars. Thats why its up to the person or the grower to make themselves that star.

I was not avoiding your question I thought it was a joke because it is. Nobody thinks you can change your skin color lmfao
 
conor c

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smokerjimbob said:
Big yield doesn't mean big high though. Small yield could be big high just as much. Can't grow just on yield unless you are a dispensary producer
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Depends where you stay sure it has to have a certain level of quality but some places are more picky than others dispo weed just sounds like warehouse weed from here
curious2garden said:
LOL wouldn't that be cool. We didn't consider them victims but requiring education. So there was usually a discussion about titration. This occurred after the Benadryl had done it's job and calmed them. If they had cardiac issues and we were dealing with an SVT we used a chronotrope. Which CBD won't assist with. So when you actually did need us CBD would not work.

However if it was busy you were left in the waiting room after a dose of Benadryl and zero patient education. LOL and hopefully were more thoughtful about using a gravity bong in the future when you're 64.
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Chewing on black peppercorns meant to help with that think its the high pinene content or something meant to help bring em down
 
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conor c said:
Chewing on black pepercorns meant to help with that think its the high pinene content or something meant to help bring em down
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I've heard that but I've wondered if it's getting their mind onto something a little more noxious while the edge of the green out wears off. If you can successfully shift their mind away from panic it will break that feeling as a smoked/vaped overdose recedes relatively rapidly compared to edibles. It's amazing the difference mode of administration makes.
 
conor c

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curious2garden said:
I've heard that but I've wondered if it's getting their mind onto something a little more noxious while the edge of the green out wears off. If you can successfully shift their mind away from panic it will break that feeling as a smoked/vaped overdose recedes relatively rapidly compared to edibles. It's amazing the difference mode of administration makes.
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I know i love my trips and high dose edibles sometimes just the distraction is enough to calm folk down ime a change of setting or even music or something can work wonders if someones finding it a bit challenging its definitely true the way u do it makes a difference i know some who swear off edibles cos they didnt like strong ones but will smoke all day fine
 
DanKiller

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zoomer428 said:
Exactly what are you talking about skin color for?? I get if you say no matter how hard you try your HEIGHT will never change. But skin color? And then you prove my point with the herming plant. That is considered bad but as you and I agree, they produce some serious smoke. I'm not saying your going to take every single bag seed and make a banger of a plant. But a good grower? A good grower CAN take every single bag seed and make GOOD smoke. It may not be the top of the line but its far better than your average smoker can. And its proven. This isn't new science or something. The same goes for people, for dogs, for any living creature. Were all made to adapt. I have no idea why you keep talking about skin color as if thats relevant some how.

I just wanted to fill in also and say if you don't think a good grower can take any bag seed and make it work because they have experience then you need to watch some of the growers that have the experience go at it. Again its not gonna be a walk in the park because these aren't top shelf genetics. Just like you or I aren't gifted basketball players. It doesn't mean we can work our asses off and get there. We can. Anyone can. Your not going to change your height but you will become more skilled than someone who is gifted but doesn't work hard. Obv being gifted would be the best but we and our plants can't all be stars. Thats why its up to the person or the grower to make themselves that star.

I was not avoiding your question I thought it was a joke because it is. Nobody thinks you can change your skin color lmfao
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Good, if you cant change you color/height or anything else that can't be changed, just improve as you said, you can't take a plant that don't make you high and change that, not how reality works.
You can improve structure with better growing, leaf size, rate of growth or anything else that said plant does have, even in minor qtys, but you can't change or improve something thats NOT THERE.
And if you refute that I challenge you to take a shit smoke pheno that has no effect and grow that pheno like a champ, report to us if that pheno is now worth smoking or not..
We're waiting
 
conor c

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DanKiller said:
Good, if you cant change you color/height or anything else that can't be changed, just improve as you said, you can't take a plant that don't make you high and change that, not how reality works.
You can improve structure with better growing, leaf size, rate of growth or anything else that said plant does have, even in minor qtys, but you can't change or improve something thats NOT THERE.
And if you refute that I challenge you to take a shit smoke pheno that has no effect and grow that pheno like a champ, report to us if that pheno is now worth smoking or not..
We're waiting
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Yeah I get what you mean you cant really improve whats not in the genetics potential to begin with this is true it has to be a possibility in the first place to even have a chance of happening i agree
 
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I didn't know that growing decent weed would be this hard. I started growing because for some reason I thought any homegrown weed would be better than dispensary weed. I thought anything I grew would be good smoke. Couldn't be farther from the truth. All my grows so far worse than dispensary. I'm beginning to think even the good schwag from back in the day was the result of very selective breeding. The average weed you grow will be just a plant basically. It may or may not have some THC. Basically I believe seedmakers just sell whatever. They can and they will do this because you'll never know until you smoke it 4 months later.
 
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Unbelievably a lot of people just like to grow because they like to take pictures and admire their growing buds.
Also great looking weed, full of crystals, trichomes, pistils, really doesn't mean a damn thing. Even bud that looks great cured and dried can be weak AF when you smoke it. You can't tell from looking at weed how it will smoke. More or less this is true of today's poly hybrids. They all suck.
There are autoflowers that look amazing. They are shit in terms of smoke. Worse than schwag.
Growing weed is therapeutic and they are pretty. But if you are growing weed to take pics that is truly whack and not what the hobby is meant for.
 
DanKiller

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Everything that was fire back then was very very selective breeding and very large pheno hunting to reach those we consider elite status plants,
And also those started from seeds people found around the world and crosses of those seeds
The elite clones had their buds circulated a lot more back then as people were making crazy money of them,
Even at my country we had fire,but 1 pheno was always a level above everything else they offered, no one ever reached it, no matter how many strains they released on the menu over the years, it was a Pure Kush clone from the year 2000, brought here by a dude who paid big big money for it, but he was a known player in the med market here so it was a sure bet, no problem paying 250K for a proven elite, he got that money back after 1 run.

So, true elites are 1:1,000,000 they say, "keepers" are subjective, but I consider phenos that I find keepers if they have the same effect or above my tolerance levels, it can be the ugliest mutant duckfoot plant, I'll smoke it and laugh at everyone.
 
conor c

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smokerjimbob said:
I didn't know that growing decent weed would be this hard. I started growing because for some reason I thought any homegrown weed would be better than dispensary weed. I thought anything I grew would be good smoke. Couldn't be farther from the truth. All my grows so far worse than dispensary. I'm beginning to think even the good schwag from back in the day was the result of very selective breeding. The average weed you grow will be just a plant basically. It may or may not have some THC. Basically I believe seedmakers just sell whatever. They can and they will do this because you'll never know until you smoke it 4 months later.
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It will get easier keep at it to me i think some folk take to growing like a duck to water some need to work harder at it folk pick things up differently and at different speeds same with anything in life bud main thing is dont let it put you off the best attitude you can have is to always think you can do better next run anyway eventually it will be so easy and definitely beat dispensary stuff
 
DanKiller

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Haha your right but you got it twisted a lil,
Always think the next SEEDS not you haha can do better ;)
Cuz let me tell you I grow decent plants, not to claim myself to something, but my plant are surly not poor grown, but still results are on the low side
This one grow I had in the last 4 months was moldy and had herm and seeds, meaning, poorly grown yes, I neglected it and it was winter and cold, sue me ;)
But...... that shit is better I mean wayyyy better than all the breeders seeds I used before and grown in much superior conditions...
Funny how reality works opposed to what people think in their minds.
 
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conor c said:
It will get easier keep at it to me i think some folk take to growing like a duck to water some need to work harder at it folk pick things up differently and at different speeds same with anything in life bud main thing is dont let it put you off the best attitude you can have is to always think you can do better next run anyway eventually it will be so easy and definitely beat dispensary stuff
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I think I will just pay like 1000 for a clone if I know its from fire. Haven't run into anything like this. I think it may be a good idea to go to a cannabis growers expo perhaps. Still so many people in it to make a quick buck and you may run the risk of getting scammed. I could easily launch a seed company, just buy some crappo seeds from anywhere, put up some fake pics, use nice packaging. Call it BX Haze X NL5 X Jamaican Red. And voila!

But I think running clones from proven fire is the way to go. Problem is where to find something like that and how can you test it to ensure its fire.
 
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