High PH signs, symptoms and correcting...Pictorial!! A must read for newb'z

dubcoastOGs

dubcoastOGs

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tikitoker said:
Absolutely not. But now this goes back to my earlier post when I spoke of stability. And also the rain water ph post. If cannabis has an ideal ph of 6.5 and despite the on going natural buffering of a proper made soil, administering ph stabilized water is maintaining consistency at the plants ideal /optimal ph. A buffer for a buffur, hows that?.
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tiki, I totally get what your suggesting. I would prefer to add more organic matter, composts, teas, whatever. to help the microbial activity of the soil buffer. It seems like it couldn't hurt to adjust the ph of the water going in. But adding anything to the water could have a negative impact on the microbial activity of the soil, and specifically it's ability to buffer. It can have an adverse effect, and really just cause further problems.

this opposing force of "PH DOES MATTER" is not even what we're talking about
 
sativa indica pits

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nothing different than what I posted in the op. I provide link after link, posted pics, listed all parts of my grow... Shit i even did what you guys said, dont bother ph'ing your water, so I just watered with plain 7.5 water... did you see what happened to my plants when I followed your advice. I did follow your advice although its much easier to say,,, your wrong.. I proved you were wrong, did you miss what happens when I gave you the benefit of the doubt?

these guys are really starting to crack me up. let me outline for all you simple minds out there:

I followed your great advice!!! which was... let me repeat,
"Dont bother checking the ph of your water". "water with whatever ph". I did this exactly as they said. Just what "they" told me to do, nothing else.

your plants are showing nute lock out and look like shit.... but look, were all right.

YOU GAVE ME BAD ADVICE!!!

do i need post pics again? yes all you guys... YOU know who you are!! YOU, gave me bunk advice and the plants suffered for almost 72 hrs. YOU also told me the soil would buffer to correct levels, My soil did not go back to 6.8 as you stated. Second piece of bad advice. I waited, took pics, waited.... until I finally gave them some lower ph water... and now they are almost back to normal. I have all the pics,,, would you like to see them again?

So really, I took your bad advice and posted the results, so you all got pissed off at me. I proved you all wrong, and all at the same time. Guess I should have just let you give out bad advice and not post it right, Just like the one user who posted what is wrong with my plant, I gave him advice to experiment with a flush, but later figured out it was due to cold temps. Every grower does not know cannabis likes a warm temp? This is amazing. I love to grow at 60* although he didnt flush, he posted my advice and im posting yours. Did the bad advice kill the plants, no they are fine. Did he warm his grow, probably not.

Dont you want to know the advice you give is not working... well here it is,

It doesnt work in every soil as you stated it would. just saying, it does not work in every soil.

It may work fine for some, and thats good!! But it does not work for every soil, in every pot, under every light, with every type of water, and every strain. It just doesnt admit it!!
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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Good example of microbial activity and a mediums pH. Worm castings have the great ability of raising or lowering a mediums pH to keep it in a eco friendly range. If you can go out in the woods and dig a hole for a plant finding worms as you do so. No need to worry about the pH of the soil, its good. Or be sure to add a cup or two full to each 3 gallon container next time you are mixing medium. Brewed teas of EWC are also a nice treat for your plants and medium every month or so during the grow...;)
 
sativa indica pits

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dubcoastOGs said:
I did a search on that wiki page for "ph". aside from ph being a part of other words. It's not even mentioned. You know what agriculture is right?
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lol read the first line of the wiki ph i linked.... ah... ph is important to... what plants,,, growing ahhh yes agriculture... very good dub lesson learned !! yippie
 
dubcoastOGs

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man, you must have steam coming out your ears.

and I love that you fallback on saying "ph is important"

which really, has nothing to do with what we're arguing.
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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sativa indica pits said:
nothing different than what I posted in the op. I provide link after link, posted pics, listed all parts of my grow... Shit i even did what you guys said, dont bother ph'ing your water, so I just watered with plain 7.5 water... did you see what happened to my plants when I followed your advice. I did follow your advice although its much easier to say,,, your wrong.. I proved you were wrong, did you miss what happens when I gave you the benefit of the doubt?

these guys are really starting to crack me up. let me outline for all you simple minds out there:

I followed your great advice!!! which was... let me repeat,
"Dont bother checking the ph of your water". "water with whatever ph". I did this exactly as they said. Just what "they" told me to do, nothing else.

your plants are showing nute lock out and look like shit.... but look, were all right.

YOU GAVE ME BAD ADVICE!!!

do i need post pics again? yes all you guys... YOU know who you are!! YOU, gave me bunk advice and the plants suffered for almost 72 hrs. YOU also told me the soil would buffer to correct levels, My soil did not go back to 6.8 as you stated. Second piece of bad advice. I waited, took pics, waited.... until I finally gave them some lower ph water... and now they are almost back to normal. I have all the pics,,, would you like to see them again?

So really, I took your bad advice and posted the results, so you all got pissed off at me. I proved you all wrong, and all at the same time. Guess I should have just let you give out bad advice and not post it right, Just like the one user who posted what is wrong with my plant, I gave him advice to experiment with a flush, but later figured out it was due to cold temps. Every grower does not know cannabis likes a warm temp? This is amazing. I love to grow at 60* although he didnt flush, he posted my advice and im posting yours. Did the bad advice kill the plants, no they are fine. Did he warm his grow, probably not.

Dont you want to know the advice you give is not working... well here it is,

It doesnt work in every soil as you stated it would. just saying, it does not work in every soil.

It may work fine for some, and thats good!! But it does not work for every soil, in every pot, under every light, with every type of water, and every strain. It just doesnt admit it!!
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Ok let me understand this. You have huge plants, years of experience(at least a decade by your own admission)and get great yields. Yet our bad advice and a single watering causing all your issues lead to this thread. And your revolutionary understanding of pH? Are you fucking kidding me! Epic fail...
 
sativa indica pits

sativa indica pits

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dubcoastOGs said:
tiki, I totally get what your suggesting. I would prefer to add more organic matter, composts, teas, whatever. to help the microbial activity of the soil buffer. It seems like it couldn't hurt to adjust the ph of the water going in. But adding anything to the water could have a negative impact on the microbial activity of the soil, and specifically it's ability to buffer. It can have an adverse effect, and really just cause further problems.

this opposing force of "PH DOES MATTER" is not even what we're talking about
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dude I posted check your ph of water going in and bring it to 6.5 so many times in this thread my fingers are bleeding....... this is not what were talking about,,, try reading pg 1 or 2.. One of the first things I responded to was whatever ph will not change your ph.... Man this is really coming to a head now huh.
 
sativa indica pits

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Ok let me understand this. You have huge plants, years of experience(at least a decade by your own admission)and get great yields. Yet our bad advice and a single watering causing all your issues lead to this and your revolutionary understanding of pH lead to this ground breaking thread? Are you fucking kidding me! Epic fail...
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The only problem I had was with your advice. my grow is in top shape and you will never see me posting I need help... you need more pics huh?
 
sativa indica pits

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Alexander Supertramp said:
We all know you can alter a mediums pH in many ways. Some beneficial and some harmful. Using lime, especially dolomitic, in our container grows is a beneficial way. But do not think you can top dress, water and the mediums pH will be changed within minutes or a few days as far as that goes. Wont happen as the reaction or cations take time to occur. In general at average temps and moisture levels 3 to 4 weeks is a realistic time frame to see reliable results.

On the other hand a harmful why would be to top dress with some sulphur and water in. Wouldn't take all that much to send the pH in to the tank and kill your plants. Now this could and would happen within a day or so. Trying to use baking soda to raise pH, pretty much the same scenario.

Simply pouring 6.5 pHed water through 7 or 5 pH soil will not change the pH to 6.5. It may lower or raise it slightly depending on what it has been physically flushed from the medium. Odds are though it will buffer back to or at least near the level it was before the flush. Buffering and stabilizing a medium pH for container growing is not achieved in this manner.

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yes 6.5 water thru a 7.5 soil wont have much of an effect on soil ph. But 4.0 water thru that same 7.5 soil wont change it either? how can this be. And yes I list all my experiments and the times in between action and reaction. It was not intended to stablize a soil that was having ph swings, and showing a high ph. I think I stated that a few times too, it will need to be stablized with lime/wood ash.

as I said... but you will argue my 2nd experiment was off. how. how was my 2nd experiment off? I did just what everyone told me. water with what ever water you have laying around, which in my case is melted snow,ice rain with a ph of 7.5. I dumped 2 cups of 7.5 water right around my roots. A few hrs later I took pics because the plants leaves and branches were limp, folded down and looked like they were mad at me. I continued to follow your suggestion and waited for the soil to buffer. ( except for one plant I fixed with one cup of 4.0 water right after I noticed the problem, This did not happen with the other 3 plants waited for 3 days with each day getting worse and worse. And they were the males, so what better to run a wacky experiment on them of dumping a high ph water.

So after all this talk, I would say everyone has different soil with different ph buffering abilities. true? and here are the pics I just took, you can tell by the time they are not from google like yours dub. haaDSC00879.jpgaka epic fail haaa
 
sativa indica pits

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nice...lol it took awhile to work that up huh. you really put some in some time hating round here huh? too bad you couldnt put in as much time helping? sad to hear

but you did make me laugh again,, good job!!
 
pSi007

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sativa indica pits said:
View attachment 2949867wow look at all those tops, you can barely see me. View attachment 2949868thats a lot huh, try counting the leavesView attachment 2949869thats big huh? cant see thru that bud, look how solid that bitch is, 103 grams dryed and trimed, Almost a qp bud...WOW!!! never seen anything so big, oh thats what she said, would you like me to measure across my hand and take a pic so you have some reference as to just how big it really is? Its REALLY big, its like really BIG!!

now look at this airee thing, you can almost see right thru it
notice how the top looks brownish, or actually pissy color looking
wow dude, deff a piss colored plant, look at the size of that thing!!! oh my god ..its....its 3oz!!! Bet my one bud weighs more than all that loose bud, I thought I would share just how BIG "alans a widow" plants and buds really are lol, I would never post that , unless... ahhhh yea I just wouldnt, i would be embarrassed!!

I remember aleni saying well the first grow was this and the second grow was this. so I take it he hasnt had that many grows if he can remember how much he got from the first grow,,,lol

oh just found it..."
  • Is that what gh told ya? So what your saying youve never tried it but your still flappin about it huh? Keep flappin. Eat your heart out,12 oz dry plant first grow, dwc, never phd. Second one soil, seven gallon smart pots 1.1 gpw. And lastly slappin you in the face. Big huh? thats called getten owned dorito.​

Thats called getting owned alien widow. I cant even remember how many grows ive done let alone how much they weighed,,,, lol seriously so I see first grow, I see second one... but no 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th Get the picture alien?
12 oz, that was your biggest harvest,, haaa man try 48 lbs this year,, you could never do it. your posts make it very obvious!! now that is a slap....

Here is a pic dub posted..... ................... (oh ya he didnt post anything)
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hahahaha... much respect, bratha!!! tell those kidz..
 
dubcoastOGs

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hmmmm. school must be out now.

it's been great guys. It really has.


I'll meet you halfway, and agree with "Ph does matter"
 
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