Gun control is coming

TacoMac said:
It was far worse in England and Ireland. Some said the same things you do.

They were wrong.

Gun laws work. It takes time, but they work.

Now, the city of Chicago has more gun deaths in the average month than the United Kingdom has in the last 25 years.
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Oh, I think gun laws will be better than what we have, but there are soooo many guns already. If we completely stopped selling guns to the public here, we would still have 400,000,000 guns floating around in the states. No way they had more guns per capita than current US. I will see if I can find that number somewhere, but I expect it to be less than 20 guns per 100 people.
 
Big Green Thumb said:
Oh, I think gun laws will be better than what we have, but there are soooo many guns already. If we completely stopped selling guns to the public here, we would still have 400,000,000 guns floating around in the states. No way they had more guns per capita than current US. I will see if I can find that number somewhere, but I expect it to be less than 20 guns per 100 people.
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And they would all disappear one by one.

Polio was an epidemic.

Bubonic plague was too.

Both no longer exists in the civilized world.

You're a defeatist and an excuse maker.

You are the problem.
 
TacoMac said:
And they would all disappear one by one.

Polio was an epidemic.

Bubonic plague was too.

Both no longer exists in the civilized world.

You're a defeatist and an excuse maker.

You are the problem.
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I figure he just has an opinion.
 
TacoMac said:
And they would all disappear one by one.

Polio was an epidemic.

Bubonic plague was too.

Both no longer exists in the civilized world.

You're a defeatist and an excuse maker.

You are the problem.
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You are right about the epidemics. I do not think I am a defeatist or an excuse maker... but I try to be a realist. 400 million guns.

A gun buy back program would definitely help. That would leave it up the the individual gun owners to decide, not big brother forcing them to do it.
 
Big Green Thumb said:
Oh, I think gun laws will be better than what we have, but there are soooo many guns already. If we completely stopped selling guns to the public here, we would still have 400,000,000 guns floating around in the states. No way they had more guns per capita than current US. I will see if I can find that number somewhere, but I expect it to be less than 20 guns per 100 people.
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I take it that you are a gun owner?

It would be best if gun owners took responsibility for the problems that they have helped cause. Your apathy to our losses due to gun violence is why I've given up on expecting gun owners to take ownership of reducing deaths due to gun accidents and violence. The times and shifts in attitudes towards guns are against your desire for continuance of the current situation. Gun ownership has declined over the years, from 55% of all families in 1970 to about 33% of all families today. At this moment, families that don't own guns have the super majority and could stomp your "gun rights" into the dirt if we wanted to. It's just a matter of time before the numbers and sentiment align. If we ever do, I guarantee you that you won't like the solution non-gun owners impose on your kind. It would be better if gun owners took an active role but as your post shows you and your kind are paralyzed with fear of "mah gunz tooken away". It is fear that drives most gun owners to buy them in the first place. Fear of having them taken away is preventing gun owners like you from thinking through this problem.

Forget about what you fear. The objective is not to take guns away. The objective is reduce the rate of gun deaths and injuries due to accidents and violence to that of other developed countries. There is plenty of evidence to show that we can reduce gun violence without draconian laws that prevent peaceful and safety minded people from owning guns.
 
Big Green Thumb said:
You are right about the epidemics. I do not think I am a defeatist or an excuse maker... but I try to be a realist. 400 million guns.

A gun buy back program would definitely help. That would leave it up the the individual gun owners to decide, not big brother forcing them to do it.
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A gun buy back program seems logical as long as law enforcement isn't involved. Somehow those bought back guns aren't destroyed like they claim they'll be.

At this point I believe looser gun laws are the answer. Additionally several people who lost it, should have their gun rights restored. All you're doing is helping tyranny, (which is obviously growing in this country), by enacting tighter firearm laws on the law abiding gun owner.
 
gonnagro said:
A gun buy back program seems logical as long as law enforcement isn't involved. Somehow those bought back guns aren't destroyed like they claim they'll be.

At this point I believe looser gun laws are the answer. Additionally several people who lost it, should have their gun rights restored. All you're doing is helping tyranny, (which is obviously growing in this country), by enacting tighter firearm laws on the law abiding gun owner.
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What a shit stupid thing to say
 
Fogdog said:
I take it that you are a gun owner?

It would be best if gun owners took responsibility for the problems that they have helped cause. Your apathy to our losses due to gun violence is why I've given up on expecting gun owners to take ownership of reducing deaths due to gun accidents and violence. The times and shifts in attitudes towards guns are against your desire for continuance of the current situation. Gun ownership has declined over the years, from 55% of all families in 1970 to about 33% of all families today. At this moment, families that don't own guns have the super majority and could stomp your "gun rights" into the dirt if we wanted to. It's just a matter of time before the numbers and sentiment align. If we ever do, I guarantee you that you won't like the solution non-gun owners impose on your kind. It would be better if gun owners took an active role but as your post shows you and your kind are paralyzed with fear of "mah gunz tooken away". It is fear that drives most gun owners to buy them in the first place. Fear of having them taken away is preventing gun owners like you from thinking through this problem.

Forget about what you fear. The objective is not to take guns away. The objective is reduce the rate of gun deaths and injuries due to accidents and violence to that of other developed countries. There is plenty of evidence to show that we can reduce gun violence without draconian laws that prevent peaceful and safety minded people from owning guns.
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You have jumped to conclusions about me and what I am (unsuccessfully) trying to say. I feel we have too many guns -- how do you take it that I am pro gun ownership and that I am scared of not having guns? My city has had a recent mass shooting, and I am not apathetic about it.

My apathy to our losses? How am I being apathetic? I posted relevant data about guns in America that many people are not aware of that hopefully make people think about the problem and solutions. I wasn't bragging that Americans own so many guns. We just do and it will be difficult to change, but I am pro change in this regard.

Impose on "my kind"?? What are you going on about? My "gun rights"? STFU. I am not your enemy, nor much different from you.
 
Big Green Thumb said:
You have jumped to conclusions about me and what I am (unsuccessfully) trying to say. I feel we have too many guns -- how do you take it that I am pro gun ownership and that I am scared of not having guns? My city has had a recent mass shooting, and I am not apathetic about it.

My apathy to our losses? How am I being apathetic? I posted relevant data about guns in America that many people are not aware of that hopefully make people think about the problem and solutions. I wasn't bragging that Americans own so many guns. We just do and it will be difficult to change, but I am pro change in this regard.

Impose on "my kind"?? What are you going on about? My "gun rights"? STFU. I am not your enemy, nor much different from you.
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Your circular argument is without justification and defeatist .

"We have too many guns already so nothing can be done".

Gun owners are paralyzed by fear. It all started when they bought a gun "for their protection". Your kind refuse to participate in the solution therefore you are part of the problem.
 
Fogdog said:
I guarantee you that you won't like the solution non-gun owners impose on your kind. It would be better if gun owners took an active role but as your post shows you and your kind are paralyzed with fear of "mah gunz tooken away".
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Settle down, "your kind". Lol.

It's never too late for gun control.
 
BurtMaklin said:
Settle down, "your kind". Lol.

It's never too late for gun control.
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Burt,

The "your kind" statement is meant to insult morons who say shit like: "too many guns nothing can be done". Chumps like you and the person I replied to are pretty much unoriginal and ignorant. Therefore your kind are easily manipulated. If your reading comprehension were better, you'd have understood that "gun control", is perhaps a tool that may be used to achieve the objective but not an objective in and of itself.
 
zeddd said:
Make most guns illegal, offer amnesty or small payment for the scrap value of the metal. Anyone owning banned guns is in contravention of the law.
That’s what the uk and others did, it works as the gun death figures attest.
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A great opportunity to recycle that great GOP idea of mandatory minimum sentences I might add. I mean what used to be good for enough for pot users and dealers, should be good enough for offenders of law and order!:clap: Remember when they could take yer house on a rumor with no day in court?
 
Fogdog said:
Burt,

The "your kind" statement is meant to insult morons who say shit like: "too many guns nothing can be done". Chumps like you and the person I replied to are pretty much unoriginal and ignorant. Therefore your kind are easily manipulated. If your reading comprehension were better, you'd have understood that "gun control", is perhaps a tool that may be used to achieve the objective but not an objective in and of itself.
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I'm very clear on gun control being a means to achieve an objective, but unfortunately you see it as a weapon of your self appointed, moral superiority.

Gun crimes are as much a result of the desperation felt by a society lacking in social and education programs as it is poor gun control. Without fixing the root causes of gun violence, gun control alone will be lacking in its bite. Prisons are full of dummies that don't care about the legality of what comes between them and what they want/need.
 
BurtMaklin said:
Prisons are full of dummies that don't care about the legality of what comes between them and what they want/need.
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Most are there because they had easy access to a gun, it's a fallacy to believe more guns make you safer and there is a ton of data to prove it too. Damn near every kid had a gun in Afghanistan at one point and many still do, how safe do you think it is there? Everybody armed to the teeth and living in fear is bullshit and not a formula for a happy life or positive outcomes.
 
BurtMaklin said:
I'm very clear on gun control being a means to achieve an objective, but unfortunately you see it as a weapon of your self appointed, moral superiority.

Gun crimes are as much a result of the desperation felt by a society lacking in social and education programs as it is poor gun control. Without fixing the root causes of gun violence, gun control alone will be lacking in its bite. Prisons are full of dummies that don't care about the legality of what comes between them and what they want/need.
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I was responding to a poster who said that nothing can be done because there are already too many guns in the US. Do you agree with him or are you just having another knee-jerk reaction because I've owned and belittled you for your stupid baseless opinions on other subjects? All I want is the same level of gun violence you have in Canada. I think we should model a system from Canada's. Is that too much to expect? Should I be nice to morons who say that isn't possible?
 
Fogdog said:
I was responding to a poster who said that nothing can be done because there are already too many guns in the US. Do you agree with him or are you just having another knee-jerk reaction because I've owned and belittled you for your stupid baseless opinions on other subjects. All I want is the same level of gun violence you have in Canada. Is that too much to expect? Should I be nice to morons who say that isn't possible?
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I'd have to actually take you seriously for you to have "owned me", and belittling people is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

And you can have the same level of gun crime as Canada, you just have to work on your social programs.
 
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