Going from HPS to LED. Worth it?

Lordhooha · Nov 2, 2016

Qo

Kingrow1 said:
Dude im just quoting the led growers, no ifs and buts. Either they yeild more or they dont, if there is no straight answer i think ill hold of on them 3watt diodes till things are a little more clearer.

Who said us British dont have a dry sense of humour

Quoting people only serves to fan the flames of misinformation

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Lordhooha said:
Qo

Quoting people only serves to fan the flames of misinformation

You're a flaming fan of misinformation. :eyesmoke:

Kingrow1 · Nov 2, 2016

MynameisSolo said:
i am not fighting back , lot more then just light people see one way and that is it be it efficient or spectrum's or what ever
Truth is its disappointment after disappointment..

Remember its not hid saying there LED killlers its the other way around its LED saying there hid killers

King would love to see least one picture of your grows with this 600 LED that claims to kill a DE unit.. i can show you i plant harvests from De View attachment 3821107

Dude im an hps guy and your totally right about the led growers, pretty much just having fun with some of their wild west claims. Not sure they are so interested in it now :-)

Kingrow1 · Nov 2, 2016

Lordhooha said:
Qo

Quoting people only serves to fan the flames of misinformation

Remember its them who fanned that fire not those who grow with hps, forums full of it and i just wanted to make them aware of what they are claiming.

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Kingrow1 said:
Dude im an hps guy and your totally right about the led growers, pretty much just having fun with some of their wild west claims. Not sure they are so interested in it now

Why don't you give just a single Tasty T1 a shot, bro? I seriously think you will be impressed. If I'm wrong, I'll buy it from you.

HydoDan · Nov 2, 2016

Kingrow1 said:
Remember its them who fanned that fire not those who grow with hps, forums full of it and i just wanted to make them aware of what they are claiming.

So you are basically a social antagonist and should be ignored... you argue for the sake of argument not for the spread of knowledge..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-big-led-question.925145/page-2

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

Kingrow1 said:
I know dude, no arguments here, leds are absolutley killing hps for yeilds, op should be looking at 16oz minimun after he gets rid of that redundant 600w hps and upgrades to a 450w led cob.

Leds totally rock over second rate sodiums...

You keep saying the same thing over and over.
Oh and not wanting to talk about science makes you look... simple.

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

Olive Drab Green said:
Do your seedlings and veg'ing plants grow trichomes as early as day 3 in seedling? Because mine do.

That's UVB. I can make seedlings grow trics using 23 watt CFL lizard lights.

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
That's UVB. I can make seedlings grow trics using 23 watt CFL lizard lights.

I make seedlings grow trics by day 3 with COBs, no UV. :eyesmoke:

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

Olive Drab Green said:
I make seedlings grow trics by day 3 with COBs, no UV.

Interesting. What is the scientific explanation?

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
Interesting. What is the scientific explanation?

I have no idea. First guess would be optimal PPFD bringing out the best, healthiest traits of the strain.

Odin* · Nov 2, 2016

Lordhooha said:
Cobs are good I used a few citizen 1818's they're good I'm always buying new lights and trying them. @Odin* I can find plenty of scientific documents from universities and NASA showing the growing capacity for leds thus why the mars mission in 2030 will be using them. I recently did a report for my botany class on the same subject.

I'm not refuting the fact that plants can grow under LED lighting, nor am I refuting their light output vs heat efficiency. What I am refuting is that a bigger better plant can be grown under them vs HID. Top to bottom, nug for nug, any grow style (e.g.; 7' tall plant). If the heat "issues" associated with HID lighting are properly controlled/mitigated and all else being equal, the HID's are producing greater weight at higher quality.

Edit: "else" was intended "all else".

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

Olive Drab Green said:
I have no idea. First guess would be optimal PPFD bringing out the best, healthiest traits of the strain.

I bet it is a similar stress response from the plant. UVB stresses them for sure, and I bet LED stresses them with intensity.
Just a guess... :eyesmoke:

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
I bet it is a similar stress response from the plant. UVB stresses them for sure, and I bet LED stresses them with intensity.
Just a guess...

I would have to figure out if a 3500k CXB3590 produces UV-B. Otherwise, I only use two of those.

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

By the way, I only use HPS (+MH) when my flowers are bulking up. During veg, stretch & final 2 weeks, I run MH in both lights.

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
By the way, I only use HPS (+MH) when my flowers are bulking up. During veg, stretch & final 2 weeks, I run MH in both lights.

Have you experimented with COBs yet? I used to use 2 "450w" ViparSpectra LED panels (real draw was 206w.) One of these 89w fixtures outperforms both of those panels together exponentially. If you ever become confident enough to try COBs and don't DIY, try Tasty. I seriously do not expect that you'll be disappointed.

Chunky Stool · Nov 2, 2016

Olive Drab Green said:
Have you experimented with COBs yet? I used to use 2 "450w" ViparSpectra LED panels (real draw was 206w.) One of these 89w fixtures outperforms both of those panels together exponentially. If you ever become confident enough to try COBs and don't DIY, try Tasty. I seriously do not expect that you'll be disappointed.

I'd try em right now if I had the cash laying around! Money isn't normally a big factor but my wife still considers my "hobby" a vice -- even though I've had a legit medical permit for years. Anyhoo... with Christmas on the horizon, upgrading my gear isn't an option right now. I'm sure it would improve my yields, but the quality I've been getting out of my hillbilly rig is off the hook & would be hard to beat.

Olive Drab Green · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
I'd try em right now if I had the cash laying around! Money isn't normally a big factor but my wife still considers my "hobby" a vice -- even though I've had a legit medical permit for years. Anyhoo... with Christmas on the horizon, upgrading my gear isn't an option right now. I'm sure it would improve my yields, but the quality I've been getting out of my hillbilly rig is off the hook & would be hard to beat.

It'd probably save your electric bill. She might appreciate that.

Kingrow1 · Nov 2, 2016

HydoDan said:
So you are basically a social antagonist and should be ignored... you argue for the sake of argument not for the spread of knowledge..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-big-led-question.925145/page-2

I dont argue i debate and certainly dont make personal comments at growers. My original comment seems to hold more substance than you think as hps seems to yeild more than led which was all i said before you spat your dummy, whaaaa lol

Kingrow1 · Nov 2, 2016

Chunky Stool said:
You keep saying the same thing over and over.
Oh and not wanting to talk about science makes you look... simple.

If you think i need to talk science for a simple yes/no answer waffle away :-)

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