George W. Bush: The Food Stamp President

Harrekin said:
Why is the US doing only as well (if a little less than) countries that are cutting spending?
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It's possible there were different circumstances. Their housing bubble could have been smaller. The countries may have had better regulations in place. It's very difficult to compare the US economy to a fictitious nondescript nation I know nothing about.

The stimulus packages did nothing but add to the debt and give inefficient businesses more time till closure.
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And it created between 1.5-3.5 million jobs. That's a consensus among non-partisan scoring agencies. But who needs facts right?
 
tet1953 said:
The stimulus packages had benefits that can never be really known or measured. I am talking about jobs not lost, businesses not closed.
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Well the CBO attempted to measure the effects at 2.5 million jobs + improvement of our long term economic stability due to infrastructure investments.
 
Harrekin said:
The stimulus packages did nothing....
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i can go take pictures of construction workers working on the highway into town which is being widened to three lanes. i can take pictures of the materials they are using which were purchased from other companies who need to employ people. i can take pictures of trucks hauling goods that move quicker down the highway and don't get stuck in traffic as often, idling and wasting gas. all paid for by the ARRA (stimulus).

my favorite pictures though are the ones of my greenhouse, which was built using mostly money i received from the stimulus in the form of tax breaks. i can also show you some other pictures of big fancy lights and some green plants flowering beneath them, all purchased because i got to keep more of my own money from the ARRA. that money that i saved is multiplied when you consider the fact that i spend more money on things like soil, nutrients, containers, electricity and whatnot needed to keep the new spaces running. all those things i buy are from people that employ people.

so clearly, you can STFU about the "stimulus packages" (there was actually only one "package" for your edification :dunce:). the stimulus was an investment into the american people that has helped many.
 
UncleBuck said:
i can go take pictures of construction workers working on the highway into town which is being widened to three lanes. i can take pictures of the materials they are using which were purchased from other companies who need to employ people. i can take pictures of trucks hauling goods that move quicker down the highway and don't get stuck in traffic as often, idling and wasting gas. all paid for by the ARRA (stimulus).

my favorite pictures though are the ones of my greenhouse, which was built using mostly money i received from the stimulus in the form of tax breaks. i can also show you some other pictures of big fancy lights and some green plants flowering beneath them, all purchased because i got to keep more of my own money from the ARRA. that money that i saved is multiplied when you consider the fact that i spend more money on things like soil, nutrients, containers, electricity and whatnot needed to keep the new spaces running. all those things i buy are from people that employ people.

so clearly, you can STFU about the "stimulus packages" (there was actually only one "package" for your edification :dunce:). the stimulus was an investment into the american people that has helped many.
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And did little to nothing for the overall economy...good work, Obama, saviour of the few!
 
Harrekin said:
And did little to nothing for the overall economy...good work, Obama, saviour of the few!
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first you said nothing, now you say little to nothing. :dunce:

i can tell that i am conversing with a man of principles who is in no way a mindless partisan hack.

several million jobs, investments in infrastructure and green technology, tax cuts for every american increasing aggregate demand....all are just "little to nothing".

i can't wait for the next potato famine :cuss:
 
Our growth rate is higher than yours, we've a smaller deficit (will be less than 3% in 2015) and a debt that can actually be repaid.

Your 787 billion dollar stimulus package was designed to save 3mill jobs? That's a cost of approx 262,333 dollars per "job saved".

You guys are just drunk as fuck off the Obama Kool-Aid.
 
Harrekin said:
Our growth rate is higher than yours, we've a smaller deficit (will be less than 3% in 2015) and a debt that can actually be repaid.

Your 787 billion dollar stimulus package was designed to save 3mill jobs? That's a cost of approx 262,333 dollars per "job saved".

You guys are just drunk as fuck off the Obama Kool-Aid.
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You do realize that when you build a bridge, you don't just get jobs, you get a bridge too?
 
Dan Kone said:
It's possible there were different circumstances. Their housing bubble could have been smaller. The countries may have had better regulations in place. It's very difficult to compare the US economy to a fictitious nondescript nation I know nothing about.



And it created between 1.5-3.5 million jobs. That's a consensus among non-partisan scoring agencies. But who needs facts right?
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"And it created between 1.5-3.5 million jobs."

3.5 million new jobs since 2008. To keep up with population growth requires about 300K jobs created per month, so Obama has shrunk the economy by about 7M jobs over those three years.

Good job!!! Bravo!!!!
 
UncleBuck said:
first you said nothing, now you say little to nothing. :dunce:

i can tell that i am conversing with a man of principles who is in no way a mindless partisan hack.

several million jobs, investments in infrastructure and green technology, tax cuts for every american increasing aggregate demand....all are just "little to nothing".

i can't wait for the next potato famine :cuss:
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Mr Ultra PC, the "Race card dealer" made a famine joke btw, kinda poor taste, it'd be like saying "I can't wait for the next holocaust". Nice coming from a politics mod. I don't really care, Irish people don't take offense to people taking the piss outta us, but it reflects pretty badly on you.
 
Harrekin said:
And did little to nothing for the overall economy...good work, Obama, saviour of the few!
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I honestly don't know how you can say that with a straight face. We were facing economic armegeddon 3 years ago, recall. 3+ million jobs lost, collapse of the banking system itself. We'd all like to see things get better faster, especially the jobs situation. But things are improving, it's undeniable. Unemployment coming down, housing picking up a little. Helluva lot of foreclosed properties still to go through, thanks to our friends on Wall St.
 
desert dude said:
"And it created between 1.5-3.5 million jobs."

3.5 million new jobs since 2008. To keep up with population growth requires about 300K jobs created per month, so Obama has shrunk the economy by about 7M jobs over those three years.

Good job!!! Bravo!!!!
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lol. Obama did that? I didn't know he was even president when the market crashed.
 
Dan Kone said:
lol. Obama did that? I didn't know he was even president when the market crashed.
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he was elected in 2008, inaugurated in Jan 2009. UncleBuck claims there were 3.5 million jobs created during Obama's tenure, i.e. since 2008.

Just to stay even requires about 300K new jobs per month, that works out to 3.6M new jobs per year just to stay even. Apparently Obama "created" 3.5 million new jobs over the course of three years, when in fact three times that many were required just to stay even. For UncleBuck to crow about that as a point of success is absurd. I am just pointing out the absurdity of that claim.
 
Oh and incase anyone is wondering why the Irish guy is so interested...as a citizen of a geographically small, island, export based economy with over two thirds of our exports to the US, I think the US economy is definitely something I should be interested in.
 
Harrekin said:
Mr Ultra PC, the "Race card dealer" made a famine joke btw, kinda poor taste, it'd be like saying "I can't wait for the next holocaust". Nice coming from a politics mod. I don't really care, Irish people don't take offense to people taking the piss outta us, but it reflects pretty badly on you.
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the holocaust was perpetrated upon us.

the fact that ireland based its entire economy on a fucking tuber and had no fucking clue how to handle the blight is entirely your country's fault. :dunce:

here is to wishing for many green potatoes for ya, buddy.
 
desert dude said:
Apparently Obama "created" 3.5 million new jobs over the course of three years, when in fact three times that many were required just to stay even.
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not bad, considering the circumstances under which he entered office. perhaps you can point out some historical data whereby jobs grew quicker after a similarly severe recession?

and please, remind me of the results of following ass backwards, supply side, conservative ideas. how many jobs were created over 8 years of that practice?

LOL!
 
desert dude said:
"And it created between 1.5-3.5 million jobs."

3.5 million new jobs since 2008. To keep up with population growth requires about 300K jobs created per month, so Obama has shrunk the economy by about 7M jobs over those three years.

Good job!!! Bravo!!!!
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holding the other side to standards that your side was completely unable to achieve is the definition of hypocrisy.

oh, but i know. all we needed to do was double down on those failed policies, right?

:dunce:
 
UncleBuck said:
not bad, considering the circumstances under which he entered office. perhaps you can point out some historical data whereby jobs grew quicker after a similarly severe recession?

and please, remind me of the results of following ass backwards, supply side, conservative ideas. how many jobs were created over 8 years of that practice?

LOL!
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Eight years? Try 30+. They've been selling supply side since Reagan and they're still trying to sell it. No one's buying anymore though.
 
tet1953 said:
Eight years? Try 30+. They've been selling supply side since Reagan and they're still trying to sell it. No one's buying anymore though.
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correct. we have been trying it for 30 years, and for some odd reason wages have stagnated the whole time.

but i must correct you. it is not the case that no one is buying it anymore. there are still plenty of partisan hacks out there who turn a blind eye to historical data and insist the problem is that we didn't go far enough with said failed policies.

a few of them have been popping their head in here, before promptly having that head shoved up their asses, where it rightly belongs.
 
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