Southernontariogrower
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Is horse dewormer isnt it? Can remember getting horse tranquilizers as psychedelics back in 80s
free speech warriors are trying to cancel culture me for calling it horsey meds
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CatHedral
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Or worm dehorser. Who speaks for the annelida?
Fogdog
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HCQ? Really? That was given emergency use authorization early in the pandemic and analysis of results found "no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery" for treating patients with Covid-19.
FDA cautions use of hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine for COVID-19
Does not affect FDA-approved uses for malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis
Theories are fun!!! I make up at least five or six every day. The thing is, theories don't even have to be true to be useful. Like Newton's theory of gravity. On the other hand, theories need to be tested or validated otherwise they are just speculation. The medical community have higher standards for theories than you before approving a drug or treatment. For example,
FDA has not approved Ivermectin for treatment of Covid. Why is that?
For a complete discussion of false claims regarding treatment for Covid, a good one is at wikipedia.
It's a very long list and not fit for pasting here. The following are some remarkably stupid ideas you might want to try:
- USB flash drives were being sold for $370 as a "5G Bioshield", purportedly offering protection from the non-existent threat of infection transmitted via 5G mobile telephone radio waves.[48]
- volcanic ash from the eruption of the Taal Volcano on January 12, 2020
- A mix containing amphetamines, cocaine, and nicotine, on sale on the dark web for US$300, was presented as a vaccine against COVID-19
- Steam inhalation was suggested as a cure for coronavirus infection that circulated on Facebook
- Red soap is not more germicidal than soaps of other colors, contrary to claims in a popular Facebook post, said Ashan Pathirana, the registrar of Sri Lanka's Health Promotion Bureau (HPB); he suggested that it might be a reference to carbolic soap
- Inhaling bleach or other disinfectants is dangerous and will not protect against COVID-19. They can cause irritation and damage to tissues, including the eyes. They are poisonous and WHO has warned not to take it internally and to keep it out of the reach of children. They can be safely and effectively used to disinfect non-human surfaces, like countertops, but not humans
- Methylene chloride, historically used as a paint stripper, was being marketed on eBay as a coronavirus disinfectant. It had been previously banned by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency due to the risk of asphyxiation during use
Might I suggest you try red soap? It won't hurt you. Maybe you'll benefit from the placebo effect.
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PJ Diaz
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Usually I have you on ignore foggy, but decided to see what you had to say.HCQ? Really? That was given emergency use authorization early in the pandemic and analysis of results found "no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery" for treating patients with Covid-19.
FDA cautions use of hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine for COVID-19
Does not affect FDA-approved uses for malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritiswww.fda.gov
Theories are fun!!! I make up at least five or six every day. The thing is, theories don't even have to be true to be useful. Like Newton's theory of gravity. On the other hand, theories need to be tested or validated otherwise they are just speculation. The medical community have higher standards for theories than you before approving a drug or treatment. For example,
FDA has not approved Ivermectin for treatment of Covid. Why is that?
For a complete discussion of false claims regarding treatment for Covid, a good one is at wikipedia.
It's a very long list and not fit for pasting here. The following are some remarkably stupid ideas you might want to try:
- USB flash drives were being sold for $370 as a "5G Bioshield", purportedly offering protection from the non-existent threat of infection transmitted via 5G mobile telephone radio waves.[48]
- volcanic ash from the eruption of the Taal Volcano on January 12, 2020
- A mix containing amphetamines, cocaine, and nicotine, on sale on the dark web for US$300, was presented as a vaccine against COVID-19
- Steam inhalation was suggested as a cure for coronavirus infection that circulated on Facebook
- Red soap is not more germicidal than soaps of other colors, contrary to claims in a popular Facebook post, said Ashan Pathirana, the registrar of Sri Lanka's Health Promotion Bureau (HPB); he suggested that it might be a reference to carbolic soap
- Inhaling bleach or other disinfectants is dangerous and will not protect against COVID-19. They can cause irritation and damage to tissues, including the eyes. They are poisonous and WHO has warned not to take it internally and to keep it out of the reach of children. They can be safely and effectively used to disinfect non-human surfaces, like countertops, but not humans
- Methylene chloride, historically used as a paint stripper, was being marketed on eBay as a coronavirus disinfectant. It had been previously banned by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency due to the risk of asphyxiation during use
Might I suggest you try red soap? It won't hurt you. Maybe you'll benefit from the placebo effect.
So, like I said, hydroxy is just a carrier for zinc, on it's own you are right it's ineffective. As I also mentioned there are other carriers such as Quercetin.
I don't work for the FDA, so I can't answer why they have not approved it, but my understanding is that the studies are "inconclusive", however that said the FDA has not dismissed it as being "ineffective", that's just how the media likes to phrase it. There are plenty of studies which do indicate that the benefits are likely. I guess I'd say that if the studies are inconclusive, then do better studies.
As far as your stupid idea list, you're just wasting your time on a list of stupid stuff. Some people in the thread wanted an answer to the theory of how Ivermectin works in preventing covid, and I provided the theory. Deal with it.
C. Nesbitt
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Wow, thanks so much for the super informative response! Taking ivermectin for COVID prevention makes total sense to me me now!
I have a bottle of it intended for the dog as a heart worm preventative but seriously contemplated taking some today for myself. That was before I did research and found out that mercury is the way to go. I am trying to source mercury now and will be drinking that as soon as I find it. Special thanks to Unclebaldrick for posting all about mercury as the cure!
Fogdog
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Where is the data to back that claim? Not a speculation based upon a laboratory observation but actual clinical data.
Says in this article that there is none:
Implications for practice
Based on the current very low‐ to low‐certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat people with COVID‐19 in the inpatient and outpatient settings and to prevent a SARS‐CoV‐2 infection in people after having high‐risk exposure. There is also no evidence available from the study pool as to which is the best dose and regimen of ivermectin. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized controlled trials (RCTs). With respect to the number of identified studies in trial registries and with accordance to the living approach of this review, we will continually update our search and include eligible trials.
The author searched for all available records of studies on Ivermectin as a treatment for patients with covid and other studies where Ivermectin was prescribed for uninfected adults. 318 articles were screened and 143 full text articles were good enough for analysis of results.
No reliable evidence is available to support using Ivermectin. Last update was July 28.
Fogdog
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Theory isn't enough.
Clinical research data is necessary. There is nothing that supports the claim that either HCQ or Ivermectin are effective for treating or preventing Covid. This isn't theory, it is fact.
PJ Diaz
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I realize that you're being sarcastic, but for those may actually want to take Ivermectin, I would never suggest to take any medicine specifically intended for animals. The good news is that it's also made for people, and there are doctors who will prescribe it, plus it's very cheap and safe. I'm not suggesting these guys per se, but there is a group called America's Frontline Doctors who will give you an internet consultation for $90 before prescribing the human version to you.
Here's a graph from one study from a 5-day course of Ivermectin for the treatment of covid:
HGCC
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Why take that when option of taking the vaccine exists? I actually concur that the horse paste is better than nothing, but it doesn't make sense to go that route when a better one is available.
Ivermectin is a safe drug when used correctly, been a miracle for a number of issues, the jury is still on its usefulness with covid, but there is evidence there. The issue is people are eating tubes of the shit because they can't dose down from the horse sized dose because they don't know math. Most doctors won't prescribe it. They don't seem interested in doc shopping vets to get the dog weight versions. So they self medicate from the feed store and mess it up.
It's stupid people doing stupid things. Medicine shouldn't be a political topic, but it has become one. Seems a dumb arena to fight in.
Ivermectin is a safe drug when used correctly, been a miracle for a number of issues, the jury is still on its usefulness with covid, but there is evidence there. The issue is people are eating tubes of the shit because they can't dose down from the horse sized dose because they don't know math. Most doctors won't prescribe it. They don't seem interested in doc shopping vets to get the dog weight versions. So they self medicate from the feed store and mess it up.
It's stupid people doing stupid things. Medicine shouldn't be a political topic, but it has become one. Seems a dumb arena to fight in.
UncleBuck
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You are a joke
Fogdog
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lulz, "this study that I did not provide a link to shows something I don't understand but has a cool graph"
The FDA does not recommend the use of Ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid.
Why is that?
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CatHedral
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Citation for graph
PJ Diaz
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Code:
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltextPJ Diaz
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Well for one thing vaccinated people can and do still get covid. They even get hospitalized and die. Even if you're vaccinated, don't you want a therapeutic which will help you recover more quickly? Additionally, it is potentially even more effective as a prophylaxis, so with vaccine efficacy waning, why wouldn't you want additional protection? A vaccine isn't a condom against covid, and even if it was condoms break.
hanimmal
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You mean why not take something like a placebo. And the answer is that it can fuck up other medicine that the hospitals are trying to use to help people survive this virus.
And as for your continual troll of the vaccine, it is once again 200% more effective at keeping people from getting ill from this virus as people who have have been sick from the virus, and 2700% better at keeping them from being hospitalized than the unvaccinated. And out of the hundreds of millions of people that have received the vaccine all the propagandists have to troll about is bullshit statistical cherry picking of things that people who have gotten the vaccine have had happen that may or may not have anything to do with the vaccine.
Because he has said so?
Con artists lie man.
CatHedral
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Why did you not post a clickable link
A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), caused by the novel severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), has become a global pandemic of the highest priority (Johns Hopkins University of Medicine, 2020). Eighty-one percent of cases are categorized as mild, for whom symptomatic...
www.ijidonline.com
CunningCanuk
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Because of Big Pharma. Haven’t you been paying attention?
Fogdog
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Thanks, I finally understand.
