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Ok, this is what I'm going to try to do. I have a 10 gal aquarium with 2 10watt fluorescent lights in the hood, they are full spectrum lights. I'm going to block out all other light. Do I need to rig it so that the plants are close to the lights as they grow? I'm going to use professional seed starter mix that is ph balanced with lime put out by Plantation products it has vermiculite, perlite, sphagnum peat, and a wetting agent whatever that is. There are slots cut into the aquarium hood for ventilation. I'm just using bag seeds because this is all experimental. I have some bloom burst plant food that is suppose to be good for root development as well as for blooms later on its a 10-52-10 mix. Not sure if that's good or not. I'm going to have about 18 plants or so started, I'm not sure how many will be female or male out of 18 seeds but I think I have a good chance of about 3 or 4 females possibly. I was wondering how tall do they have to be before you start trying to flower them? I know you have to do a 12/12 cycle of light for it but is it possible to have like short budding plants? Maybe like dwarf plants? I stretched the last plants because I didn't have the right kind of lighting to make the plants vegetate right they got to be about 2 1/2 to 3 inches tall with only 4 leaves on them. I'm not wanting like huge tall plants because I'm only really wanting to make sure I always have bud and maybe be able to sell a little to improve my set up. I have a few of those large rubber-maid tubs that I was thinking of making into grow type tanks when I get electricity hooked up to my shed and then I could start trying to grow some taller plants but do you think this is a viable plan to start out with? I've already started germinating the seeds for the first part of my project so I guess my questions are this:
1. Will the aquarium plan work? and if not what should I do?
2. How tall do the plants have to be before you can start on the flowering stage?
3. And finally am I just wasting my time trying to do this or should I go for it?
There is no real good bud and no real connections in my area for getting it regularly and I'm on disability so I don't really have a lot of finances to put into this at the moment so I'm hoping this can work out and that it won't be a waste of time and such

trojans10 said:

Few questions:

1.) What do you think of "emilys garden" as a starter for my fridge grow? I would use it for flowering.

I have an aquarium that im going to use for vegging.

2.) Its snowing here and really cold. The fridge is inside the garage,and the temp inside the fridge is 54 degrees F (300 watt HPS light, w/ 2 75 watt flouros is on!!) I have a 6in fan as an exhaust on top and a 4in fan for intake on the bottom ( blowing cold air inside) Will a portable heater fix this issue, if I just put it next to my intake?

3.) Getting clones soon from a cannabis club. How long until I can start flowering it. Do most clubs sell "teens" by any chance? Should I call around and see who has them?

4.) TIPS? TIPS? TIPS? First time growing!

5.) Also...can you link me to a site where it explains how to transoplant clones to a hydroponic system. Is it easy?

THANKS MAN. I Appreciate it.

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hey bro... hows it going??

1) i check out the emily's garden hydro system.. for a small grow it would be perfect... what are you using for lighting??

2) that i would do to for the fridge is to remove the 4" intake fan and just let the air be pulled in passively from the exhaust.. by this i mean, as the exhaust pulls the air out, new fresh air will get pulled in from the bottom to make up for what was pulled out... you may want to cut the hole size down a little to so that its not a 4" hole.. also putting the exhaust fan on a timer would help.. that way some heat can build up and warm it up but it still gets exhausted when the timer pops on.. something like 30 on, 15 off... something in that area... it'd take some playing.. but those 2 suggestions would help keep the temps up a little in the cold... my concern with putting the heater next to it to pull that warm air in is that air itself might be too warm and dry your plants out while the air is pushed through them... if that makes sense...

3) as far as i know clones from clubs are ready to flower from the get go.. once a clone is taken from a plant and roots it can be flowered then.... no veg time needed... i dont know the rules of clubs tho.. so i couldnt tell you if there is an age limit... but i'd assume 18 probably... and you'd need a med. card...

4) tips?? there are sooo many... dont over water.. dont over nute.. dont out grow your light.. but from the sound of it you wont have to worry about the last one... the first two are the biggest new grower mistakes tho... anything else that may come up ill be happy to help along the way!!

5) clones into a hydro system are easy... here's how i do it... i fill about 1/4 to 1/3 of the grow site with whatever medium i am using... (hydroton or coco coir are my prefered types)... then i take the clone and pretty much hold it so the base of the stem is just under where i want the top of my medium line to be.. basically so the stem is just burried slightly.. then i gently back fill the sites, being careful and gentle not to smash the roots or jostle them around to much... thats it... its just like doing it in dirt.. except its hydro...

glad to help!! let me know if there is anything else i can help with..

Dragon toker said:

Ok, this is what I'm going to try to do. I have a 10 gal aquarium with 2 10watt fluorescent lights in the hood, they are full spectrum lights. I'm going to block out all other light. Do I need to rig it so that the plants are close to the lights as they grow? I'm going to use professional seed starter mix that is ph balanced with lime put out by Plantation products it has vermiculite, perlite, sphagnum peat, and a wetting agent whatever that is. There are slots cut into the aquarium hood for ventilation. I'm just using bag seeds because this is all experimental. I have some bloom burst plant food that is suppose to be good for root development as well as for blooms later on its a 10-52-10 mix. Not sure if that's good or not. I'm going to have about 18 plants or so started, I'm not sure how many will be female or male out of 18 seeds but I think I have a good chance of about 3 or 4 females possibly. I was wondering how tall do they have to be before you start trying to flower them? I know you have to do a 12/12 cycle of light for it but is it possible to have like short budding plants? Maybe like dwarf plants? I stretched the last plants because I didn't have the right kind of lighting to make the plants vegetate right they got to be about 2 1/2 to 3 inches tall with only 4 leaves on them. I'm not wanting like huge tall plants because I'm only really wanting to make sure I always have bud and maybe be able to sell a little to improve my set up. I have a few of those large rubber-maid tubs that I was thinking of making into grow type tanks when I get electricity hooked up to my shed and then I could start trying to grow some taller plants but do you think this is a viable plan to start out with? I've already started germinating the seeds for the first part of my project so I guess my questions are this:
1. Will the aquarium plan work? and if not what should I do?
2. How tall do the plants have to be before you can start on the flowering stage?
3. And finally am I just wasting my time trying to do this or should I go for it?
There is no real good bud and no real connections in my area for getting it regularly and I'm on disability so I don't really have a lot of finances to put into this at the moment so I'm hoping this can work out and that it won't be a waste of time and such

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alright brotha.... so there are a few things i am a little worried about...

the aquarium is a fine idea.. but 20w's of floro lighting is far from enough... if you can add anymore lighting to the mix that would help you out a LOT.. but if not, then just keep the lights on top of the plants... i mean literally as close as they can be.. even if the plants grow into the floros they wont put off enough heat to burn them for a long time.. so you'd catch it before then...

blocking out the outside light is a good call tho...

out of 18 girls you should get at least 10 females.. i usually get about a 75% female to 25% male ratio with mixed seeds... what are you growing them in?? like are you doing individual cups for them so you can remove the males easily?? if not there is a good chance the roots will grow together and you'll have a hard time seperating them...

you can start the seeds off at 12/12 to keep them short.. you dont really have to veg at all.. they wont reach their full maturity... which means they wont be as potent or yield as much as they could if they did.. but it takes about 4 to 6 weeks of vegging to get to that point.. so you wouldnt have the space anyways..

i wouldnt say your wasting your time... i wouldnt say your not wasting your time either... its somewhat of a coin flip.. obviously you arent going to have a giant grow... but like you said its more of an experiment.. the only way you'll be wasting your time really is if you dont learn anything along the way.... you'll get a little harvest for sure.. which is better than nothing.. but it wont be the pounds and pounds we all have dreams about..

you said your short on funds do to your disability pay... you also said you had some plastic totes... well when you get your shed hooked up and ready you can do a REALLY productive hydro style grow called a DWC system really cheap.. its pretty much a tote, a lid, a net pot, a couple air stones, water, nutes, and light.. its about as cheap as you can get.. and the results are fantastic... if you want more info on it i'd be happy to fill you in more.. just let me know...

Hey, just a flowering question,

Ive got a couple females in flowering on my first grow and from reading a bit ive come to understand that it is normal to have a few leaves yellow and fall off in late flowering, is this something ive dreamed up, should i be quite concerned if my babies seem to be losing some fan leaves from the bottom up as they approach harvesting time or did i interpret things correctly?

yea, you are correct.. during the flowering stage the plant pulls energy/nutes from the fan leaves and sends it to the flowers... this causes fan leaves to turn yellow and eventually fall off.. the further into flowering the more leaves will fall obviously...

now some strains will drop more than others.. you may have some plants that have NO fan leaves while another has a good amount... there isnt anything wrong with that.. as long as the flowers are growing and swelling things are as they should be...

adding a little nitrogen here and there during flowering via a veg nute it can help deter the yellowing... dont over due it on them... just a 1/4 strength shot or so is enough to do the job...

HEY MAN THANKS FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION! I appreciate it. I have one more!

How do you set up a carbon filter.


I told my buddy about my set-up and he said I did it wrong. What I did was....I have a 6in duct fan (250 cfm) pulling air out of the fridge. the fan blows out air, to duct (outside the fridge) to carbon filter (outside the fridge). IS this right? I havnt bought the carbon filter yet, but now I am confused. Do i need the carbon filter inside the fridge/?

there are a couple options you have depending on the type of carbon filter you have... there are in-line carbon filters that attach either at the beginning or end of the duct work... http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=FMF604&AC=1

if you have a can filter the air needs to be pulled through it... they work if the air is pushed through it.. but nearly as good.. so your friend was right there...

you probably could get away with using something like ona gel odor absorber.. http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=OPG611&AC=1 this could be placed pretty much in the room the air gets exhausted too and would take care of the odors..

and your welcome.. glad to help..

simpsonsampson420 said:

hey bro... hows it going??

alright brotha.... so there are a few things i am a little worried about...

the aquarium is a fine idea.. but 20w's of floro lighting is far from enough... if you can add anymore lighting to the mix that would help you out a LOT.. but if not, then just keep the lights on top of the plants... i mean literally as close as they can be.. even if the plants grow into the floros they wont put off enough heat to burn them for a long time.. so you'd catch it before then...

blocking out the outside light is a good call tho...

out of 18 girls you should get at least 10 females.. i usually get about a 75% female to 25% male ratio with mixed seeds... what are you growing them in?? like are you doing individual cups for them so you can remove the males easily?? if not there is a good chance the roots will grow together and you'll have a hard time seperating them...

you can start the seeds off at 12/12 to keep them short.. you dont really have to veg at all.. they wont reach their full maturity... which means they wont be as potent or yield as much as they could if they did.. but it takes about 4 to 6 weeks of vegging to get to that point.. so you wouldnt have the space anyways..

i wouldnt say your wasting your time... i wouldnt say your not wasting your time either... its somewhat of a coin flip.. obviously you arent going to have a giant grow... but like you said its more of an experiment.. the only way you'll be wasting your time really is if you dont learn anything along the way.... you'll get a little harvest for sure.. which is better than nothing.. but it wont be the pounds and pounds we all have dreams about..

you said your short on funds do to your disability pay... you also said you had some plastic totes... well when you get your shed hooked up and ready you can do a REALLY productive hydro style grow called a DWC system really cheap.. its pretty much a tote, a lid, a net pot, a couple air stones, water, nutes, and light.. its about as cheap as you can get.. and the results are fantastic... if you want more info on it i'd be happy to fill you in more.. just let me know...

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cool then thats what I will try I'm not sure if I can change the lighting in the hood it's got two sockets for screw in floro's I'm not sure where to go to find stronger ones or if I can use stronger ones in there but I'll see what can be done about that, but I'll do like you say until I can find out more on that and I thought the idea of blocking out the other light would work, maybe I should try putting something reflective on the inside of the tank to make the light bounce around a bit.
I'm planning to use single cups to grow the plants I thought that it would be smart that way in case I did get a male or two it would be easier to get rid of them.
I figured I could get the plants about a foot tall in the aquarium but I didn't really think further along those lines. I already have a few tubs that I could possibly use when they got a bit bigger but I figured that would have to wait till I could get things set up in the shed. I should be able to get about $50 dollars worth of equipment a month or so and see how it turns out.

a REALLY productive hydro style grow called a DWC system really cheap.. its pretty much a tote, a lid, a net pot, a couple air stones, water, nutes, and light.. its about as cheap as you can get.. and the results are fantastic... if you want more info on it i'd be happy to fill you in more.. just let me know...

This is definately something I'm interested in checking into more but I would need to know where to go about getting some of the things you mention there and I could start working on it while I'm doing this project, one question in particular about this would be would it be good for clones that I may get off the plants I've already started in the aquarium and if I wanted to go from the aquarium to this once its finished what would I have to do for this? Your information is really helpful and great thanks a lot man your thread rocks.

Good evening new found friends.I have a couple ? if you would be so kind to help.
My farmer buddy grows outdoors in large buckets filled with cowshit and dirt mixed. His plants are 9 to 12 feet tall every year. I plan on mixing 50/50 with M.G.potting soil,then adding sand, verm.,and perl. accordingly. With so much talk about "sterile" soil do you think this is a good idea? Also, with my room being 3X3X6' tall, I have about 28,000 lms of cfl's. After veg. I want to switch to a 120 watt
led with a 7:1:1 color spectrum for budding. Do you foresee any problems with my idea's

Dragon toker said:

cool then thats what I will try I'm not sure if I can change the lighting in the hood it's got two sockets for screw in floro's I'm not sure where to go to find stronger ones or if I can use stronger ones in there but I'll see what can be done about that, but I'll do like you say until I can find out more on that and I thought the idea of blocking out the other light would work, maybe I should try putting something reflective on the inside of the tank to make the light bounce around a bit.
I'm planning to use single cups to grow the plants I thought that it would be smart that way in case I did get a male or two it would be easier to get rid of them.
I figured I could get the plants about a foot tall in the aquarium but I didn't really think further along those lines. I already have a few tubs that I could possibly use when they got a bit bigger but I figured that would have to wait till I could get things set up in the shed. I should be able to get about $50 dollars worth of equipment a month or so and see how it turns out.

a REALLY productive hydro style grow called a DWC system really cheap.. its pretty much a tote, a lid, a net pot, a couple air stones, water, nutes, and light.. its about as cheap as you can get.. and the results are fantastic... if you want more info on it i'd be happy to fill you in more.. just let me know...

This is definately something I'm interested in checking into more but I would need to know where to go about getting some of the things you mention there and I could start working on it while I'm doing this project, one question in particular about this would be would it be good for clones that I may get off the plants I've already started in the aquarium and if I wanted to go from the aquarium to this once its finished what would I have to do for this? Your information is really helpful and great thanks a lot man your thread rocks.

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if you cant find other bulbs its not a complete bust... it'll just be a some what of a smaller grow... they just wont reach their full potential...

adding reflective material inside will definitely help out...

single cups are fine.. but i think 12 inches on the lights you have is going to be a little bit of a stretch.. literally.. the plants will be somewhat stretched... but i think regardless you'll end up with 8 to 10 inch plants for sure...

dwc systems are easy and are made for clones.. well can be customized for clones...

1) start with a tote and lid.. in the lid cut out holes big enough to fit 3" to 4" net pots http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=FNP320&AC=1 how many you fit will depend on the size of the tote..

2) place clone with roots in the net pot allowing the roots to fall through the slots in the net pots... fill net pots to hold clone... hydroton or coco coir works well http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=HYD301&AC=1 http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=SPC340&AC=1

3) fill tote with nute water so the top of the water line is just slightly above the root line...

4) add air stone.. the more bubbles the better... bubbles are your friend... http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=RAK&AC=1

5) place tote lid on and thats it...

the clones will absorb dissolved oxygen from the water... as the plant drinks the water, and the water line drops, the roots will stretch downwards to it... as long as you dont have salt build up in the tub you can just casually top the tote water line off every few days as needed.. you want to make sure the bubbles hit the top of the lid when its on also so that the roots always are moist if they are above the water line.. placing a hole with a gromet at the bottom of the tote for easy emptying for changing out the water is a good idea also... all you have to do to get the clones ready for the system are let them root... as long as there is water, nutes, and a correct ec/ppm and res temp you'll see amazing growth!

ucanduit said:

Good evening new found friends.I have a couple ? if you would be so kind to help.
My farmer buddy grows outdoors in large buckets filled with cowshit and dirt mixed. His plants are 9 to 12 feet tall every year. I plan on mixing 50/50 with M.G.potting soil,then adding sand, verm.,and perl. accordingly. With so much talk about "sterile" soil do you think this is a good idea? Also, with my room being 3X3X6' tall, I have about 28,000 lms of cfl's. After veg. I want to switch to a 120 watt
led with a 7:1:1 color spectrum for budding. Do you foresee any problems with my idea's

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the mix is a good sounding mix... i believe there should be enough good beneficial microbes in the manure to keep things fine...

my only concern is that the mix itself is going to burn your plants.. thats a strong amount of nutes and such in that mix.. i would suggest skipping the mg soil and going with just a good plain soil... add the perlite and such too... but i think the mg soil would be over kill...

i dont know how tall you are thinking about growing your plants.. but the only other thing i could see as a problem is out growing the light you have... LED's arent very powerful.. although they claim to put off as much usable light as an hps, they lack the penetrating power.. so you may need to up the LED size, or use multiple ones.... but again, it depends on how big you want to grow them...

when do u start using nutes and any suggestions on a good brand to use ?

SIRE said:

when do u start using nutes and any suggestions on a good brand to use ?

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start nutes when you (in soil) first see the plant slowing or stopping growth or it begins to yellow all over...

in hydro applications you can start nutes as soon as you transplant.. but start very lightly.. i usually start my transplanted seedlings/sprouts/clones at an ec of around .6

as far as brands i have had good results with general hydroponics 3 part system and technaflora's BC line.. i am also using a new line called cutting edge solutions that is giving me great results...

fox farms and advanced nutes are also 2 good lines of nutes...

mr773 said:

hey simpson i have a plant that will not stop growing its about three weeks into flowering and about three feet tall, i have three other plants thats the same strain and there pretty tall to, help me out im running out of space!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well bro the good news is that your plants should stop stretching here real soon.. so just be patient...

the best thing you can do it to take some string and start tieing down your girls and securing them in place... just be careful when you start bending the plant/branches so you dont break them...

Thanks Simpson I tied them down, why do you think they streched like that, it was like a foot a week!!!!!!

all mj plants stretch during flowering.. depending on the strain it can be anywhere from only a few inches to actually getting 3x as much... the more indica present in the genetics the shorter the plant will stay.. the more sativa, the more the stretch... sounds like you may have some sativa heavy plants...

thats my first thought.. the only other thing is the light... but im sure you were keeping it close to them...

are these two girls on the indica side? They have been in flower for 6 days now. hoping they are more indica my closets only 6 feet and my big girl is already 2 feet tall. to me they look indica. but still new to this.

the bigger of the two looks like it has more sativa in it than the other.. but both look like about a 50/50 cross... or close to is... im guessing they will about double in height... which should fit in your area just fine... if you need to keep height down you can always tie branches down and secure them in place.. its easy and also allows you to lower your light... which means the bottom of the plant gets more light.. which means bigger buds where there may have only been little ones

yesterday i did tie her down but then couldnt get her back into the closet with her sister so i untied her. This closet is really small lol need a new place to grow. Thanks again for the help sampson since your thinking its more of a cross than a indica im looking at closer to about 10 weeks flowering time?

Normajean1 said:

yesterday i did tie her down but then couldnt get her back into the closet with her sister so i untied her. This closet is really small lol need a new place to grow. Thanks again for the help sampson since your thinking its more of a cross than a indica im looking at closer to about 10 weeks flowering time?

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it could still end up an 8/9 week strain.. many crosses can still reach that mark.. but its really hard telling...

mr773 said:

your right about my girls simpson the kushberry is a sativa dominant plant, i didnt think of that until you said something, next time i do a sativa i will only let it veg two weeks before i put them into flower, only because it stretches so much you grow and you learn LOL!!!!!!!!!!

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i've had problems with sativas getting way to big for the area i have... it happens.. like you said, next grow you make some changes and things work out!

a my plants just got flood by rain like fuck drowning in water i saved them but should i just keep them in light for now o and there in veg stage still so ya and i doped one plz get back to me