Federal Hearings to Reschedule Marijuana (see you there!)

treetopmmmp

Active Member
I think like many others here, marijuana should be legalized much like alcohol bit more along the lines of similarity with brewing your own at home.
What im getting at is this: the dispensaries should be ran by the government and sold from state sanctioned stores (like actual liquor stores operate in many states). They'll have all the strains you can get at dispensaries now and then some.
You can brew beer from home and make up to 200 gallons of wine per year so wirh marijuana in mind, why not say 4 plants per adult, per house, per year? This way everyones happy, the govt is making tons of revenue and the smoker can buy any time he or she likes.
Not a bad plan but 4 plants is way too low. Right now we
can make wine and beer at home but it's still illegal to make
even small amounts of liquor.

Who will supply the dispensaries? The little guy will get fucked
and it will all be grown by those with deep pocketbooks that
can afford to get sanctioned by the government. For the most
part the quality would be up there with some of the best average
warehouse weed:)

Personally I'd rather see private run dispensaries that have to live
up to certain standards (laws) to operate. Having the government
run the dispensaries is bad for everyone but the government and
those who can afford to get licensed to supply them.

treetopmmmp
 

bigbillyrocka

Well-Known Member
Well it could be supplied by the little guy. I know with distilling you have to get your liquor taxed (you pay the taxes) before you can sell your hard spirits to the liquor stores. Could do the same with mj and the states will have a true tax stamp, not a hidden bust card.
 

Scrotie Mcboogerballs

Well-Known Member
Lol . . .
I don't understand why people find it acceptable to negotiate regulation with adults period. As humans, we are told that we have the natural ability to choose right from wrong, good from bad. Yet, we allow OUR government to tell us what we can consume. How much. When and so on . . .
How does it make you feel to be 'regulated' by the anyone? If your neighbor told you that you couldn't smoke weed otherwise it could result in him stripping you of your freedoms, how would you act? Why do we allow those circumstances on a larger scale? Why do we allow OUR government to tell us how to behave? . . .
Negotiating ANYTHING with OUR government seems a little ridiculous . . .
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Lol . . .
I don't understand why people find it acceptable to negotiate regulation with adults period. As humans, we are told that we have the natural ability to choose right from wrong, good from bad. Yet, we allow OUR government to tell us what we can consume. How much. When and so on . . .
How does it make you feel to be 'regulated' by the anyone? If your neighbor told you that you couldn't smoke weed otherwise it could result in him stripping you of your freedoms, how would you act? Why do we allow those circumstances on a larger scale? Why do we allow OUR government to tell us how to behave? . . .
Negotiating ANYTHING with OUR government seems a little ridiculous . . .
Are we? If so, by whom? Not an aggressive question but genuine curiosity. cn
 

treetopmmmp

Active Member
Well it could be supplied by the little guy. I know with distilling you have to get your liquor taxed (you pay the taxes) before you can sell your hard spirits to the liquor stores. Could do the same with mj and the states will have a true tax stamp, not a hidden bust card.
Unfortunately you can't just make liquor, pay a tax,
and sell or consume it. For all practical purposes it's
illegal to distill your own liquor. If you want to make
your own liquor (legally:)) you need DEEP pockets.

From: http://www.ttb.gov/faqs/genalcohol.shtml

Spirits
You cannot produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 & 5602 for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying excise tax, filing an extensive application, filing a bond, providing adequate equipment to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks and pipelines, providing a separate building (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records, and filing reports. All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19.

Spirits may be produced for non-beverage purposes for fuel use only without payment of tax, but you also must file an application, receive TTB's approval, and follow requirements, such as construction, use, records and reports.


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If there was an AFFORDABLE tax stamp of some sort
that growers could get that would give them 100%
legal protection and allow them to supply the market
I'd be all for it. Unfortunately with all the money involved
the little guy would be cut out from supplying the market
(legally) and quality will be sub-par.

Here is an article that illustrates what we might expect if marijuana
gets reclassified:

http://www.freep.com/article/20120422/NEWS15/204220533/Company-wants-grow-quality-medical-marijuana-old-mine

Here are a few paragraphs from the article:


Zettl said a court ruling forced the Canadian government to rush medical cannabis onto the market sooner than it wanted. The company's product had a THC content of about 14%, but the government ordered it to dilute it with leaf material to bring the THC content down to what the Canadian government believed was the norm for street marijuana: 10%.


It was that required blending, which has since been relaxed so that PPS can provide marijuana with 12.5% THC content, combined with the fact that the Canadian government would allow the company to supply only one variety of cannabis, despite a wide range of needs, that led to complaints, Zettl said.


Ted Smith, founder of the Cannabis Buyers' Club of Canada in Victoria, British Columbia, said quality concerns persist: "It doesn't smell very good; it doesn't look very good."


If our neighbors to the north are being that
restrictive with the strains (only fucking ONE!),
and potency (diluted with leaf to not go over
12.5% THC, fuckin nice), just imagine how our
overbearing Uncle Sam will treat it.


treetopmmmp
 

bigbillyrocka

Well-Known Member
Oh i know all about it. I didnt feel the need to go into full detail (kudos to you!), was just keeping it simple. I know in my state itll cost me 500K to just get the ball rolling. I got in contact with them. :)
 

bigbillyrocka

Well-Known Member
Theres ways around it though just like in the beer and wine and barley wine (not to mention hard liquor) alohol content world. Tax the higher content by a slightly higher tax. I believe beer has to stay under 14% to not be classified in a higher tax for having liquer percentages. Yes theres more to it than that but thats just giving the gist.
 

treetopmmmp

Active Member
Oh i know all about it. I didnt feel the need to go into full detail (kudos to you!), was just keeping it simple. I know in my state itll cost me 500K to just get the ball rolling. I got in contact with them. :)
$500K, OUCH! Is that to make liquor or produce medical
marijuana?:D I assume it's for liquor but hearing numbers
like that make me sadly believe that the small guy would
be pushed out of the medical marijuana industry altogether.

treetopmmmp
 

treetopmmmp

Active Member
Theres ways around it though just like in the beer and wine and barley wine (not to mention hard liquor) alohol content world. Tax the higher content by a slightly higher tax. I believe beer has to stay under 14% to not be classified in a higher tax for having liquer percentages. Yes theres more to it than that but thats just giving the gist.
I think I'd be making a lot of my own "fuel"
for non drinking purposes of course:D

treetopmmmp
 

bigbillyrocka

Well-Known Member
Liquor. But many states are much much more affordable. I am in/was in a very strict mormon ran state. (Ahem! Romney guys)
 

Scrotie Mcboogerballs

Well-Known Member
Are we? If so, by whom? Not an aggressive question but genuine curiosity. cn
Right Vs. Wrong is ethics. Are we born with ethics? I don't believe so. Ethics are things that are transferred from one another, by one another. I think? lol So in that case, fuck the governments ethics on marijuana! We never have, and never will need them.
 

bigbillyrocka

Well-Known Member
Now a Tobacco license on the other hand is 175$ in my state and an additional 10 per year. Looking to open a smoke shop so ive been going through some of those processes.
 

Huel Perkins

Well-Known Member
I just see it as a positive step, certainly not the end of the road. :). But I agree it's gona get dark when big pharma starts sticking their fingers in the pot. Not that they aren't already with Marinol and Sativex. If we can get them to admit that cannabis is not as dangerous as heroine etc, then we are on the right track.
My thoughts exactly! I think some of you guys are reading a little to deep into this, and are paranoid.
 

stumpjumper

Well-Known Member
Also tell Michelle to let her hubby know that I'm voting for Romney because of his lie to medical marijuana users. I don't care what Romneys stance is on it, at least he's honest about it. We can fight Romney on it just as easy as we have had to fight Obamas backstabbing renege.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Also tell Michelle to let her hubby know that I'm voting for Romney because of his lie to medical marijuana users. I don't care what Romneys stance is on it, at least he's honest about it. We can fight Romney on it just as easy as we have had to fight Obamas backstabbing renege.
Thats exactly how I feel and what I say when people ask me that question. Atleast Romney is being straight up about it and saying he is against it. There is hope to present facts and evidence and change his mind. Where as with Obama, he is a pot smoker, or atleast was for most of his life. He already knows and lied straight up about it. There is no chance of changing his mind, he has seen both sides and has made his choice.

Romney specifically said he was against it because after inquiring with people in the White House he was led to believe MJ was a gateway drug. It tells me he is atleast open to discussion if he went to talk to others about it. Unfortunately he probably did most of his talking with the idiot Director of FBI who maintains it IS a gateway drug.
 

Chris@supercoco

New Member
I just see it as a positive step, certainly not the end of the road. :). But I agree it's gona get dark when big pharma starts sticking their fingers in the pot. Not that they aren't already with Marinol and Sativex. If we can get them to admit that cannabis is not as dangerous as heroine etc, then we are on the right track.

Can we say GMO?? Yea right like monsanto doesn't have a roundup ready cannabis plant
 

Chris@supercoco

New Member
Wow this is great to hear. I'm excited to see where this goes.

BTW probably not the best name choice. Come to my thread I'll show you how grow dank by just adding water to a 7 gallon pot of Super Coco. I'll introduce you to the finest dank varieties and teach you my secrets of a master of organics. I"ll bet you whatever you'll grow the best weed you ever smoked the first time. Come my pupil, for I will show you dank
 
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