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My buddy TheOrganic turned me on to this thread....guess just in time...Happy Bday Woodsman....here's Seedism BLZ Bud at 8wks-3days!!!!!!!!

Nice endlscycle!

Amazing thread thanks for all the knowledge man! Your and everyone elses example pics are inspiring to say the least. Rzza told me I should seek you out for some scrog advice...

Anyhow, I'm a somewhat experienced grower now (5 harvests under my belt) and I'm looking to add scrog into my method. Currently I run perpetual 8 week flowering cycles, giving my clones 2 weeks to root and 4 weeks to veg before flipping them. I am wondering if I will be able to maintain my perpetual by placing 4 week vegged plants under the screen on day 1 of 12/12 and counting on the stretch to fill it in the rest of the way? Is this high hopes? I have seen examples with screens only filled maybe 10% be filled by week 3, so I believe it is possible. If it is possible, how should I go about placing the screen, I know 12" or so is ideal but would I be better off leaving the plants as is and placing the screen just above them, or should I supercrop/lst/press them down with the screen some to promote lateral growth right away?

Sorry for all the rambling haha, just trying to get this all squared away in my head. Tired of having tons of leave and buds that get so heavy they fall over :/ Thanks for all the help and if you want to see what I am working with now, check the perpetual sig.



Edit: forgot to mention, I will be using 9 clones in a 3x3 tray, so it should be pretty full to begin with. Expected screen size is 5ftx4ft for the space.

Endlesscycle;

Your training method is just what I do. I train first via "low stress bending" and create the shape I am looking for and then screen it when ready. I do switch to flowering cycle shortly after the plants enter the scrog. I give a few days for the plant to adjust and me to find ideal placement. This timing is particular to that which you are running however. You may adjust what you do from one strain to the next. You will learn this in time with both scrog experience and experience with the particular strain and pheno choice. I have learned over the course of time that the best thing that can help you scrog, is knowing your plant. Learn your plant well, and you will know what to do with her in a screen in order to maximize its potential. Eventually you work your way into being able to measure each variable as a factor in overall production potential. Enjoy it, it does not stop getting better!

One great thing I have done with this thread is learn and teach through experiences, that I don't know best. Nor does anyone. Whats learned is that scrog is a method that allows you to maximize on your "own" potential. Potential of your space, your equipment, your nutrients etc. making it all easily measurable and manipulable. It becomes easy to see your own potential for success through simple concepts that you have complete control over.

Someguy15,

Welcome to Camp Scrog! Hope you brought your pillow and sleeping bag, you may be here a while!

Sounds like your on your way, I do think your perpetual garden will flourish under scrog and stay perpetual given your timing. I tend to like to have the screen a bit lower than the tops of the plant that I am placing. Makes for easier faster fill.

Some big producers will topple regardless of scrog and may need a secondary support such as an even larger mesh support above the screen. If your plants were big budding before, they will likely all be big buds if not bigger this time around.

woodsmantoker said:

Someguy15,

Welcome to Camp Scrog! Hope you brought your pillow and sleeping bag, you may be here a while!

Sounds like your on your way, I do think your perpetual garden will flourish under scrog and stay perpetual given your timing. I tend to like to have the screen a bit lower than the tops of the plant that I am placing. Makes for easier faster fill.

Some big producers will topple regardless of scrog and may need a secondary support such as an even larger mesh support above the screen. If your plants were big budding before, they will likely all be big buds if not bigger this time around.

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awesome man, appreciate the tips! I'll just mash them down 2-3 inches with the screen when I put them in.

and I saw subcools vortex hash, looks fin amazing. I'm still refining that technique to get pure hash like that too.

A PROPER SCROG THREAD: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html

Fine Job Scotty!

As per woodsmans request..

3 weeks vege/55 day harvest

1 feminized g13 PE seed
1 400w CMH
1 waterfarm
1 cabinet
1 scrog screen
1 bottle of nutes (flora Nova bloom)

lil over 11 oz dry

Damn.....11ozs 1 plant........truly amazing....Ive always wondered about those waterfarm buckets....I know that its two buckets stacked and the bucket the medium is in is a smaller bucket... with the larger bucket acting as a reservoir.......Is it DWC.......I know it has the drip ring on it but how does the air pump flow the nutes to the ring......IDK.....please explain if you could!!!

ENDLSCYCLE said:

Damn.....11ozs 1 plant........truly amazing....Ive always wondered about those waterfarm buckets....I know that its two buckets stacked and the bucket the medium is in is a smaller bucket... with the larger bucket acting as a reservoir.......Is it DWC.......I know it has the drip ring on it but how does the air pump flow the nutes to the ring......IDK.....please explain if you could!!!

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Its a drip feed/DWC unit.. a air pump blows bubbles in a tube wich runs to the bottom resivor the bubbles of air push water up to the top spit it out threw the drip ring.. and since 90% of oxygen is picked up threw the surface layer of water, all the water that drips over the hydroton is surface water and it resurculates probly every hour.. that why they work so good.

here is a grow log where I awnser pretty much everything about the system if you want more info..

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html

hey scroggers, my full tilt med scrog is full tilt fuckered up Had some PH issues but think I have them sorted out. Can you take a look at my plants and give me a diagnosis?

https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/375506-its-late-im-tired-something.html

THanks!

ScrogThis said:

I would very much enjoy a tutorial on your training techniques! This is the area I've struggled most with during this grow. I understand the essential nature of pre-training (now) but I'd be very interested in your experience with different strains. I'd also like to better understand your views on FIM and topping in a scrog environment as I've had good success with those techniques using other grow methods. I have incorporated some of my bonsai technique in the past as well, would such techniques be comparable to LST?

Absolutely, all dead foliage must be removed immediately. A dirty grow area will result in problems without a doubt. All growth should be removed under the screen once it's filled and shades that growth. It allows more room to work and otherwise creates an environment conducive to mold growth. My apologies if implied otherwise.

Thanks for the valuable info! I believe that if you intend to do something well you should experience all you can regarding the subject. The worst that can happen is that you learn something.

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Didn't forget about this: will need time and I would like to compose this when I return home to AK in NOV. FYI

Thanks, no hurry, many other projects.

Yummy!!! .

my mothers have recovered and i looking healthy. i flushed them with an h202 diluted nutrient solution. I am expecting to get the scrog area set up within a week. I was wondering what container size and how many clones i can effectively fit under my setup. space is not too much of a concern I am using soil and as of now have 2 250 watt lights. Any input would be helpful.

also I wanted to know if i should be pruning my mothers for more branching?

Hello,
I have a couple of quick questions about SCROG. !st- Do people SCROG with Sativa strains or mainly just Indica? Also, I was thinking of trying it out so went to my hydro/Garden store and bought some white rope like trellis but the squares are 7" inch squares is this to big?
I have a couple of young SLH that im thinking about scroogin with, Has anyone here tried it with the Super Lemon Haze before? If so how did it turn out?
Thanks
BigBudE

7" is a little big, 2" is more typical. Planning on trying a Super Lemon Haze next grow, currently it's Alaskan Thunderfuck. You can scrog with either, Woodsmantoker talks about it a couple pages back in this thread. Look forward to seeing your grow.