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good info woodsman. The blue widow is know to be a short and bushy indica so I think it will be ideal for the scrog. While I can see where fiming would be great to increase the amount of bushiness, it seems to me that with LST I can plan the overall route of the stems (circling them in their allot 2 sq ft) as opposed to dealing with the chaos of four actively growing shoots.

I guess my real concern is the stretch and this is something that I will just have to learn with time. Although I do recall someone saying that supercroppping during the first week of flower works very well but..I it seems the scrog is just a more "manual" way of supercropping anyways. Do you think that is true? Or do you think that yields would benefit by the release of shoot growing hormones during the stretch?

I hear you on the light and my screen was sized EXACTLY for even light. I bought a cheap lux meter on ebay and it was money very well spent. Slight changes in height make a huge difference in light amounts around the edge of the growing area and I suspect that it is mostly dependent on the hood. I bought the hood that had the highest reflectivity and evenness out of 7 hoods I saw tested (supersun2). For me, 14" from the tops gives me 70,000 lumens in the center and about 35,000 near the edges (1.75' from center). Raising to 18 drops the outsides to 15,000

I think I am going to drop me screen to 14" just to be on the safe side. I figure that will give me a little buffer if the screen is filled and I need to just let them stretch and grow through the screen. I would hate to be cutting a hole in the ceiling during the 6th week of flower to raise my lights lol

Woodsmantoker - If anyone would like me to create a tutorial on my personal training techniques prior to screening I can do that please don't hesitate to ask. I do however work each plant into the proper shape prior to entering the scrog.

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I would very much enjoy a tutorial on your training techniques! This is the area I've struggled most with during this grow. I understand the essential nature of pre-training (now) but I'd be very interested in your experience with different strains. I'd also like to better understand your views on FIM and topping in a scrog environment as I've had good success with those techniques using other grow methods. I have incorporated some of my bonsai technique in the past as well, would such techniques be comparable to LST?

Absolutely, all dead foliage must be removed immediately. A dirty grow area will result in problems without a doubt. All growth should be removed under the screen once it's filled and shades that growth. It allows more room to work and otherwise creates an environment conducive to mold growth. My apologies if implied otherwise.

Thanks for the valuable info! I believe that if you intend to do something well you should experience all you can regarding the subject. The worst that can happen is that you learn something.

Bonsai and LST are both based on the response a plant exhibits when bending its branches. I will return with answers and a tutorial.

As promised, I uploaded pics of my set-up and started a grow journal. Its located here: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/373436-full-tilt-med-scrog-blue.html#post4733710

got a total of 8 plants.. 2 of which will have to be culled when they reach a size defined by law as "mature" plants in order to stay legal mango kush, jack herrer, and blue widow. But since I'm in SCROG central, here are two pictures of my screen... fairly large compared to allot of the tent grows.
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What Size of screen should I build with a 1000w hps and 4 5gal buckets? Been reading a lot and haven't really seen a whole lot of 1000w grows or I'm just missing it on this thread. Can't wait to get started!

See Woodsmantoker's post above (#2) A good rule of thumb is ~50W / sqft so 4' x 5' for example. As described above even coverage and intensity must be considered for maximum potential. Grab a cheap LIM and see what type of coverage you get with your setup, keep in mind heat also as you don't want to crisp 'em. A quick check is to put your hand under the lamp, if it's uncomfortable for you then your plants won't be happy either.

Thanks, Ya i read pretty much all of this thread I understand about the coverage, and the hand test. Just wondering what anybody thought would be a good size for screen? The room is 8x10 and I'm gonna build a on wheels cart style so I can move it around if needed and will prob use a second type of screen for bud support. I was thinking maybe a 5x6 size screen(or bigger). But what size of pot and how many should i use? I've seen so many methods of using a lot of plants under a screen using a smaller watt and 2 to 3 plants looking like 15 plants under a screen. And all pots that go on the cart are going to have a valve and drain for it, and ceiling is 7ft(info).

TheOrganic said:

What Size of screen should I build with a 1000w hps and 4 5gal buckets? Been reading a lot and haven't really seen a whole lot of 1000w grows or I'm just missing it on this thread. Can't wait to get started!

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4 x 4 is what I have always read for a 1000 watt hood. Unless you have the "ocho" then you could probably go another 6" on each side. If you are going to go 4 x 5 remember to put the long side perpendicular with the long side of your hood. Light intensity drops of QUICKLY from each of the short ends.


Also, make sure your cart is as short as you can make it as the height of the cart and the buckets is only going to leave you a little under 3' for plant growth and flower considering a 7' ceiling and at least 18" from that 1000 watter.

Light movers do wonders, giving you the ability to virtually scrog your entire space available. heed the advice given on space under the screen.

woodsmantoker said:

Light movers do wonders, giving you the ability to virtually scrog your entire space available. heed the advice given on space under the screen.

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Now you really got my brain going!! Light movers, I forgot about those that would be the cats meow!

6hrs later- built the base of my Cart. Check it out its 4x5, Didn't take 6hrs just thought id post here since mine was last.

Probably will get a light mover next grow better not get to big for my britches. Thanks for advice woodsmen hopefully I get running in a week. Drywall is a bitch.

I seriously think that if I die and go to hell, I'll be forced to hang and sand drywall.

Cart looks good. How tall is it? Are you doing soil or hydro?

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I seriously think that if I die and go to hell, I'll be forced to hang and sand drywall.

Cart looks good. How tall is it? Are you doing soil or hydro?

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Tell me about it! Just something about hanging drywall, crappy job of construction
I'm going 5gal soil FFOF 4 plants Thought about hydro would be ideal for my height but I will manage with my screen. Seen a scrog grow in person awhile back so I have good idea what I need to do.

Buckets will sit 4.5in off ground, And the buckets are 15in tall cause I'm gonna double them up for a drainage system I'm going to build on the bottom of the outside bucket. It's pretty much a replica of the one I saw with some mods for my situation.

Drywall is not a skill, it's an art... (remodeling contractor) Cart is nice, well done
Look forward to your drainage system, innovation is what it's all about, take the best ideas and bend them to your will. +rep

R-Tech makes a reflective surface insulating foam board that works wonders as a drywall cover in the garden (cheap). No need to be clean on the drywall job. FYI

As of now I am growing two mothers of vanilla kush, and i am still waiting on more parts for the cabinet. I just want to make sure I can get the most out of these lights. I was essentially thinking 5' by 3' and enough height to keep the hoods in the box. That way I can have another area to veg other plants.

woodsmantoker said:

R-Tech makes a reflective surface insulating foam board that works wonders as a drywall cover in the garden (cheap). No need to be clean on the drywall job. FYI

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Thanks woodsman! Ive been wondering who even makes that stuff. I'm gonna use the rest of my mylar from last grow, and get some of that reflective foam board that will attach to the cart that is not against drywall so I can remove it to work on grow. I take it you can pick some up at HOMEDEPOT or something?

Stacatto99---- Have a seed of vanilla kush that my woman wants me to start with my scrog, Have you ever tried any yet? Are they sensitive to nutes? I'm curious about it seen a lot of people growing it on threads cause of the attitude promo.

I recently got my hands on some from barneys farm. I am only growing two from seeds right now. I just transplanted into 3 gallon grow bags. Ive been giving both of them the same treatment, using fox farms ocean mix and their tri pack fertilizer.
One plant seems to be exhibiting what id call manganese deficiency. I am by no means certain though. Ph seems fine....just not sure. Its getting small brown spots sporadically on lower leaves. Ive gotta get a camera out to get pics up.

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I recently got my hands on some from barneys farm. I am only growing two from seeds right now. I just transplanted into 3 gallon grow bags. Ive been giving both of them the same treatment, using fox farms ocean mix and their tri pack fertilizer.
One plant seems to be exhibiting what id call manganese deficiency. I am by no means certain though. Ph seems fine....just not sure. Its getting small brown spots sporadically on lower leaves. Ive gotta get a camera out to get pics up.

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Nice! Yep that's what I'm going with for Soil and Nutes, Good luck on that mother, and yes pics will help out.

R-Tech, yeah you can get it just about everywhere. I live in the bush of AK. Order through a building supplier. Worth more than its weight in gold. Insulation, reflection, wall cover, the whole 9. Good stuff. I build temp tents with 1x's and R-tech. Rigidity makes it perfect. I can slap a duck tape tent together in seconds and have a whole new clone box/ temp flower room/isolation pollination chamber/ whatever.

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