So you beleive that the head sheik sent a "Your Invited!" hallmark card to us? DO you think the people were asked through referendum?
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So you beleive that the head sheik sent a "Your Invited!" hallmark card to us? DO you think the people were asked through referendum?
The vast majority of Americans are not aware of the clandestine operations of the millitary and primarily the CIA. The truth is that the CIA has been infiltrating and destabalizing countries for decades. They do this to install preferential leaders, launder money, sell weapons and drugs and generally steal. This is the primary reason JFK hated the CIA and wanted to "shred it into peices and throw them into the wind". He felt the CIA was completely out of control and acting entirely in its own interests.
The CIA is a 4th level of government, answerable to no one. The president has no control over it whatsoever. Presidents come and go every 4 to 8 years, but the people at the CIA and other government agencies stay for decades, they are the ones that own and operate these agencies. Like I have said befor, the president is just the head PR man.
Contra is just the tip of the iceberg and most people think Contra was just a sweet game for NES.
Harriken said
isolationist stance prior to World War 2 and were never attacked.
Ah Dec 1941 ring a fuckin bell?
The attack on Pearl Harbor (called Hawaii Operation or Operation AI[6][7] by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters (Operation Z in planning)[8] and the Battle of Pearl Harbor[9]) was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941
isolationist stance prior to World War 2 and were never attacked.
Ah Dec 1941 ring a fuckin bell?
The attack on Pearl Harbor (called Hawaii Operation or Operation AI[6][7] by the Japanese Imperial General Headquarters (Operation Z in planning)[8] and the Battle of Pearl Harbor[9]) was a surprise military strike conducted by the Imperial Japanese Navy against the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on the morning of December 7, 1941
MuyLocoNC
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You numbers are WAY OFF. According to the budge office, the Iraq war cost $709 billion from 2003 until 2010. Afghanistan is far less, combined to date for both is probably in the $1.5 trillion range. While these numbers are very large, they are only about 10% of our national debt and miniscule compared to our unfunded liabilities ($115 trillion) due to the progressive legislation we've enacted over the last 80 years to try to emulate Europe. Garbage in, garbage out.
dukeanthony
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The U.S. has rejected the characterization of its presence as an "occupation", noting that the government of Saudi Arabia consented to the presence of troops. Many in the U.S., the Arab world and elsewhere saw the presence of U.S. troops as supporting the House of Saud, the rule of which is controversial.
Harrekin
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Are you slow or something? WW2 started in Sept 1939.
Dan Kone
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No. The problem you describe is there are more unemployed workers than jobs, demand for labor is lower, so jobs pay less.
But the real problem is still that there are more people than jobs. That's the main problem and it isn't getting better. Laziness is not driving unemployment. Not enough jobs to go around is what's causing unemployment.
dukeanthony
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Dan Kone
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There are around 14 million unemployed people in the United States. Can you please post 14 million current craigslist job ads?
The answer is of course no because there are more people looking for jobs than available jobs!
But if you're going to continue this dishonest charade where you pretend there are plenty of jobs by posting craigslist ads, then I want to see you post 14 million of them, because that's what it's going to take. So go ahead.
Dan Kone
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Murdering innocent people is awesome right?
I'm glad you're not in charge. That would have made us much worse than the terrorists.
Dan Kone
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That's not true. They offered to turn him over to the hague and we refused so we could get the war the American people demanded. It was bloodlust, nothing more.
MuyLocoNC
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I think there was quite a bit more to it, however, even accepting your premise, I still have a part of me that says that's a good thing.
We are animals, highly evolved as a species, but animals none the less. Brutal, savage, envious, vindictive, selfish animals in a world of billions just like us. Every once in a while, as a world power, facing said animals and many of them hostile towards us, we need to let the dogs off the leash. You can preach bibles before bullets and make love not war all you want, but like it or not, there are times when peace can only be achieved in the aftermath of combat. Not a big fan of these drawn out campaigns, but short term, focused warfare has it's merits. At least until it's all Eloi and Morlocks up in this bitch.
Harrekin
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You realise your two current "wars" were supposed to be short-term engagements? Welcome to Vietnam pt 2 & 3.
Also they're not wars, theyre illegal "extended military engagements". Congress never issued a declaration of war.
EDIT: And for the record, do you really think of America concentrated all her military power in the US that anyone would be capable of attacking you? You've less than 35% of your military power at home...good defensive choice
Also they're not wars, theyre illegal "extended military engagements". Congress never issued a declaration of war.
EDIT: And for the record, do you really think of America concentrated all her military power in the US that anyone would be capable of attacking you? You've less than 35% of your military power at home...good defensive choice
MuyLocoNC
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You realise your two current "wars" were supposed to be short-term engagements? Welcome to Vietnam pt 2 & 3.
Also they're not wars, theyre illegal "extended military engagements". Congress never issued a declaration of war.
EDIT: And for the record, do you really think of America concentrated all her military power in the US that anyone would be capable of attacking you? You've less than 35% of your military power at home...good defensive choice
Just like I had to correct your numbers above, you're wrong on several counts here as well.
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists passed 2001
Iraq War Resolution passed 2002
Neither of them declared wars, but far from illegal. Unless you mean in regards to the UN, which can suck a big, fat dick as far as we should be concerned. Not to mention, we had a coalition in both cases.
And while we have much of our forces deployed overseas, there's a reason we won't be attacked. Any country stupid enough to invade us, will be returning to a smoking pile of rubble and countless dead family members and countrymen from the deluge of intercontinental missles that will be sent the second there's even a hint of our defeat. Yeah, I think we're just fine in that respect. We're loco, and sore losers. We go down, you can bet your ass we're taking all of you with us.
Dan Kone
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5
Yeah...
So it's ok to start a war which will always result in innocent people being killed purely for the sake of bloodlust? No, sorry, I won't accept that. War should be a last resort. It should only be declared in defense. This was offense. I understand bombing the terrorist camps, that is defense. But we haven't been there for defensive purposes since the second week we were in there.
The fact is that we have no legitimate reason to be in either Afghanistan or Iraq currently.
dukeanthony
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EDIT: And for the record, do you really think of America concentrated all her military power in the US that anyone would be capable of attacking you? You've less than 35% of your military power at home...good defensive choice
Yeah too bad we have 1600 nuclear weapons and the highest rate of Gun ownership in the world Domestically
Harrekin
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So why havnt you launched any? Cos there's a shitload of countries that could nuke the shit out of you back.
Nuclear weapons are a good deterrent, but as for their practical applications...they're basically unusable. As for domestic gun ownership...you really think if you were attacked by a military force you could defend yourselves just cos you've aload of AR-15's and hunting rifles? Lol, the arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Nuclear weapons are a good deterrent, but as for their practical applications...they're basically unusable. As for domestic gun ownership...you really think if you were attacked by a military force you could defend yourselves just cos you've aload of AR-15's and hunting rifles? Lol, the arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
MuyLocoNC
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Again, you weren't paying attention. I said at the first hint of our defeat, we would strike out with everything we had. And it's not arrogance, it's reality, you just don't like that reality.
