ttystikk
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Why is such a determination up to you? Since when is educating future citizens a lower priority than their health care?
Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?
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Fogdog
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Ok, I stand corrected. You not only are paying more because of valuations, your electorate voted in some extra taxes.
Your side lost some elections to fund something the majority felt was needed. What was it -- roads or schools or police and fire protection or other useless things like that? Nobody else will listen to you so you take your carping here. We are a kind and understanding bunch. It can suck being a member of a democracy that you don't control.
Hey now..
What about a variable minimum wage based on net profits?
That could be interesting.
Edit: nevermind. That sorta changes the minute you bump up their pay.
Damn.
Padawanbater2
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Atta boy, I knew you wouldn't let me down
Here, this might be more palatable for you;
● Make work pay by increasing the minimum wage, empowering unions to bargain collectively, ending abusive scheduling practices for hourly workers, getting people the overtime pay they deserve, ensuring equal pay for equal work and making sure employers follow the law and respect the rights of workers.
● End the squeeze on working parents by passing a paid family leave requirement and investing in child care, after-school programs and extended learning days. Let families with children have a chance to balance careers with quality time together.
● Ensure everyone can get a great education without drowning in debt. Rein in the cost of college and allow families to refinance student loans at lower rates. Give every child access to full-day pre-kindergarten. Education is still the best ticket to the middle class.
● Focus on research and innovation needed to develop the technologies of the future. Investments in medical and scientific research let us build whole new industries and give us the chance to create good jobs right here in America.
● Invest in infrastructure — in roads, bridges, rail, water, power and broadband. Businesses can’t grow if the foundation crumbles beneath them. A 21st-century economy needs 21st-century infrastructure.
● Strengthen and expand Social Security, not just for today’s seniors but also for today’s young people. Work is changing. A strong Social Security system will ensure that all workers, no matter the number of jobs they piece together during their careers, can count on a secure retirement.
● Strengthen the rules of the marketplace. We don’t build a future by turning the biggest banks loose to do whatever they want, and markets don’t create value when corporations can cheat people or roll over their upstart competition.
● Promote fair trade by embracing only those trade policies that strengthen our economy, create good jobs with good wages and establish fair rules of the road for companies around the world. Our trade agreements shouldn’t help multinational companies gut environmental, health and safety standards here and abroad under the guise of promoting commerce.
● Reform the tax code by ending the billions in tax breaks for corporations shipping jobs overseas and big oil companies, while leveling the playing field so that millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share.
Pick one of those points and tell me what's wrong with it
I mean, if you want to be part of the adult conversation that is. If instead you just want to call poor people with two or three jobs lazy, or if you want to call college graduates with degrees uneducated, by all means, feel free to keep that right wing bullshit to yourself for the remainder of this discussion.
Thanks
Same goes for @Uncle Ben & @MuyLocoNC
Fogdog
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OOOH, OOOH, let me try! I'll do the social security one.Atta boy, I knew you wouldn't let me down
● Strengthen and expand Social Security, not just for today’s seniors but also for today’s young people. Work is changing. A strong Social Security system will ensure that all workers, no matter the number of jobs they piece together during their careers, can count on a secure retirement.
Pick one of those points and tell me what's wrong with it
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When we keep wages down and block medical benefits, people won't live long enough to collect SSI. There will be no need for it. So abolish it.
Fogdog
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Not really, I've seen profit sharing work pretty well. You assume that a worker produces the same regardless of pay or incentives. This is not true. Actually, I'd be interested in seeing if what you propose could help. It would be a win win for worker and employer -- so long as the employer could not go below a base pay.
That was the rough idea right there.
londonfog
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The question is how much do you think a person should get paid as a laundromat attended. I understand why you find it difficult to answer. You crazy as fuck if you think someone should make 20 dollars an hour at an unskilled job. Get back to reality
Padawanbater2
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If the top 10% of earners didn't steal 93% of the economic growth from the bottom 90% over the course of 35 years, I doubt you would share this opinion because everyone would be making that much, regardless of the level of skill required to perform the job
Would someone like to address that?
UncleBuck
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lol.
panhead
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Why do you refuse to answer the question most relevant to me giving you an exact dollar value , here i'll pull a classic politics section move & answer your question with a question.
If you were making $200k off that meaningless laundromat attendant would $20 an hour be too much pay ?
londonfog
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So you feel employees should be paid based on how much the business makes.? In that case we should pay all McDonald workers 25-30 an hour. Yup you must think someone who works the fries should make about 25 an hour based on the company making money. GTFO. I pay you what I think the job is worth. If you agree you are employed. If not, good luck and I hope you get hired soon.
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Padawanbater2
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Do you think it's OK for Walmart (the largest employer in America) to pay its employees so little they require government assistance to pay their bills?
If so, why should the burden of that companies employee be put on the American taxpayers shoulders?
If not, what do you think Walmart should pay their employees to ensure they don't require gov. assistance?
londonfog
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I think Walmart should have a starting pay of 10-12 an hour. Depending on what you do that rate should go higher. I store greeter should not make 22 an hour though
sheskunk
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sheskunk
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I'm not threatening or punishing anyone. I am REWARDING those who take the initiative to BETTER themselves.
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Padawanbater2
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Is 10-12/hour what you believe working at Walmart is worth? What do you base that on? In other words, what makes working one hour at Walmart worth 10-12/hour? The difficulty of the job + risks involved? So then why are teachers in the US paid so low? Do you think teaching isn't a tough job? Or is it just low risk, comparatively? Are high difficulty, high risk jobs the ones that you feel should pay out the most? Then why are professional athletes, CEO's, or entertainers the highest paid members of society?
You seem to be arguing an arbitrary point that doesn't follow the same rules as you climb the financial ladder, so why don't people ever complain the same way about extremely high paying jobs with low difficulty and low risk the way they do with lower paying jobs with low difficulty and low risk?
You ever asked yourself that question?
Wages/salaries aren't only defined by difficulty+risk, if they were reality stars wouldn't make more than fast food workers, so it's incorrect to argue from that perspective alone.
sheskunk
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Case closed.
panhead
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Haha whenever one of the low wage advocates gets dumbfounded they use Mcdonalds as the answer , i'll take Mcdonalds for $300 Alex
Your tounge just cant manage an answer to my question but fuk it , i'll answer your last question/statement .
Yes i think all employees pay should be based on the profits they make for the company they work for , the total hourly labor we pay to operate both storage bldgs is $50 an hour between 3 employees , we also give all employees an untaxed xmas bonus of $1 for every hour they worked that year, we also send them & their kids a $100 bill on their birthdays & give them a $100 pre paid visa on Thanksgiving , i know crazy right ? Why pay em so much when i could get people to do what they do for half the cost ?
Because i value the work they do for me , i value their work ethic , i value their longevity in a job normally associated with high turn over rates ( Manager 12 yrs ) i value zero employee theft , i value their customer service because thats what makes me money .
Most of all i value them as people & i enjoy helping their familys have a real life , you wouldnt understand how happy it makes me knowing the people who work for us never have to worry about making xmas for their kids because they know the exact dollar of their xmas bonus & can count on it being there .
I would not like to do business in your coin op laundromat, i can see it in my minds eye , some old crusty Sea Hag with a bad attitude making change & selling soap all pissed off & funky .
How much money , houses & cars does one person need before they care about others ?
Answer one damm question , i dont care which one
londonfog
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you pay your workers 16 an hour to do exactly what ?Haha whenever one of the low wage advocates gets dumbfounded they use Mcdonalds as the answer , i'll take Mcdonalds for $300 Alex
Your tounge just cant manage an answer to my question but fuk it , i'll answer your last question/statement .
Yes i think all employees pay should be based on the profits they make for the company they work for , the total hourly labor we pay to operate both storage bldgs is $50 an hour between 3 employees , we also give all employees an untaxed xmas bonus of $1 for every hour they worked that year, we also send them & their kids a $100 bill on their birthdays & give them a $100 pre paid visa on Thanksgiving , i know crazy right ? Why pay em so much when i could get people to do what they do for half the cost ?
Because i value the work they do for me , i value their work ethic , i value their longevity in a job normally associated with high turn over rates ( Manager 12 yrs ) i value zero employee theft , i value their customer service because thats what makes me money .
Most of all i value them as people & i enjoy helping their familys have a real life , you wouldnt understand how happy it makes me knowing the people who work for us never have to worry about making xmas for their kids because they know the exact dollar of their xmas bonus & can count on it being there .
I would not like to do business in your coin op laundromat, i can see it in my minds eye , some old crusty Sea Hag with a bad attitude making change & selling soap all pissed off & funky .
How much money , houses & cars does one person need before they care about others ?
Answer one damm question , i dont care which one