Defoliation

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HeartlandHank

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Is it just me or is Page 26 not accessible. I click on 26 and it takes me to 25. I even googled page 26 of the thread and it took me to 25.
What's up with that?
I'm thinking insults were thrown and it was a better option than closing the whole thread?
 

Kite High

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I wouldn't remove a single leave from that plant either, considering the few small ones it has now. I grow bigger leaves than than in the first weeks under 3x18w CFL... Looks like a waste of veg time... not a well-trained plant.


Hating on any form or amount of defoliation is just an excuse for folks that aren't able to grow a thick amount of large leaves in the first place. :lol:

I can see why the other guy isn't posting any pics - you guys are so full of yourselves anyway, no amount of pic or cold hard proof will change that. I barely ever pull a leaf from my plants unless it's nearly dead, I rather prune a branch earlier/planned, yet I see many 1gpw+ growers who defoliate a good amount and grow A quality stuff from top to bottom (oh hell no you don't want me to show you pics from them... that would be too much reality for you to handle).

You ask for evidence while your own opinions on the matter are highly subjective, to your own situation, setups and methods. Defoliating as standard practice to improve yields is obviously silly, lollypopping is just nuts, but:

I'm all for scientific evidence, but unlike you obviously, I know plenty of commercial growers who've done more than a few indoor cycles and know from years of experience that if they don't defoliate a little they end up with less money. Simple as that. Google won't help you with everything. You can talk about photosynthesizes and make silly comparisons to wings of butterflies, the reality is that there's more to it, more factors to consider. Like moist and possibly dew on overlapping leaves, leaves pushing against buds, leaves preventing proper air/co2 flow, and yes, fuck those old outdated guides - they block light to lower budsites. 3 or 4 bigger-than-my-hand fan leaves stacked on top of each other tend to do that...

"Canopy control"...
Then their setup sux if they need to remove leaves to improve yields in their setup. Doesn't make it that defoliation is good. Just that their setup sux so to get yield they have to fuck up the plants. Had they set it up correctly then it wouldn't be required and the would produce more. But you overlook this fact and btw what does being a commercial grower prove other than they grow for money?
 

Imaulle

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Is it just me or is Page 26 not accessible. I click on 26 and it takes me to 25. I even googled page 26 of the thread and it took me to 25.
What's up with that?
I'm thinking insults were thrown and it was a better option than closing the whole thread?
ha! probably what I said. UB quoted me on the top of page 27
 

HeartlandHank

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Fuck it. Whatever works best for you setup. Do it.

I promise you guys though... If you are seeing improved yields in your setup with pulling off a bunch of leaves over not doing so... you have some other issues and you're not seeing the full potential of your plants.

Jmo

Let me know if that "solid proof" or "solid research" shows up. I'm tired of asking for it and tired of you ignoring the request. I have doubts that you'll ever produce it. Why? Almost definitely, because it doesn't exist. I could troll you all year for this proof and it will never show.
 

Fazer1rlg

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I think I've seen this one. I wouldn't believe this keeftreez guy he claims 12 oz plants and they definitely don't look like any 12 oz plants I've seen.

I see a qp max on his shit and he's claiming 12 ozs? His plants don't even completely fill that screen. His defoliated plants are so stunted they didn't fill it out. He isn't using his whole screen that's not very efficient. I would steer far away from this dudes claims those look like 5 oz plants max.
 

Kite High

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I think I've seen this one. I wouldn't believe this keeftreez guy he claims 12 oz plants and they definitely don't look like any 12 oz plants I've seen.

I see a qp max on his shit and he's claiming 12 ozs? His plants don't even completely fill that screen. His defoliated plants are so stunted they didn't fill it out. He isn't using his whole screen that's not very efficient. I would steer far away from this dudes claims those look like 5 oz plants max.
yes old news and refutes the benefits in very apparent ways
 

Chronic Masterbator

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I think selective defoliation is ok. I try not to. I rather tuck the leafs blocking bud sites. If I can't tuck the ones blocking bud sites from light I clip em.

Think about it. If defoliation was bad... Wouldn't toping be just as bad?
 

PJ Diaz

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SOS, just a different day in cannabis forum newbie world. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=174163&page=26

Thread closed. Guess Cornell University was too much for them.
Actually if you look at the last post of the closed thread, you will see the true reason:

After reviewing more than 100 pages of posts it seems there will never be agreement between anyone about this technique. So the thread has been closed, and no longer stickied so that it may fall thru the cracks into obscurity.

Further such devoted trolling and fighting in open threads will result in some folks departing this site - such a lack of respect for other members of this site is truly disturbing.
This is just as true in that thread as it is in this thread and the others on defoliation. It's sad, and as mentioned "truly disturbing". This the exact reason I have chosen to steer clear of this type of debate as of late. Grow up kids.
 

MYOB

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I was only referring to the photographs of the technique being used and the subsequent above average yields.

At least it proves that it isn't as harmful to the plant as the "solar panel" crowd might have us think. Unless the poster used fake photographic evidence just to stick it to the solar panel people.

Speaking of th solar panel analogy, how would your rooftop solar panels do in a 4x4' grow room under a 600w HPS?

it would perform and produce exactly the same I assume, and absolutely no consideration would need to be given to the extreme change in environment.

Of course not. So lets stop using this as "evidence". I mean, if detailed documentation that includes pictures of the process and result aren't admissible...

but what do I know? I am a newbie. I would have thought cutting a young plants main growth shoot off, including secondary branches and any leaves on the chop zone, I would have thought this would kill a plant. At least negatively affect yield. Boy, was I wrong.

And intentionally damaging, bending, twisting, or crushing branches, turns out the plant grew MORE when I did that!

that can't be botanically proper.
 

MYOB

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Not calling anyone out in particular btw, just find the leaf people to be devout to the point of militancy.

I was very pro-leaf until I got botrytis and a quarter pound of dainty buds last harvest.

This time the leaves weren't so lucky....

well see what happens in a few weeks.
 
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