Defoliation

Alexander Supertramp said:

Dormancy and retarding growth are two different things. Why would you want to make your plant go dormant?

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Because in cannabis forums "right is wrong and wrong is right."

Most folks want to finish up their gardens quickly, but not these guys.

Situation420 said:

LMAOOOO ok uncle ben, if he is your buddy, why when i explained why a 10+ difference in day night temperatures did you tell me to GTFOuta here with my Jorge Cervantes grow bible bullshit. Your such a douchebag and if jorge saw that i doubt hed want to be friends anymore or is this how you treat all your friends and that is why you now spend all your time on the internet haha

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Just like your growing skill your smack talk really needs a lot of work also.

Uncle Ben said:

Now, a wise man would heed what I'm trying to TEACH. A fool just ignores my experience. (Remember, I told you so.)UB

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Hmm, experience, as in first hand personal anecdotal experience ?
or experience based on your professional qualifications or a mixture of both

reminds me of that old saying, "those who can DO those that can't Teach

i notice that in many sectors of the workplace, it is experience (those that do or who are doing) that trumps formal qualifications,
(those that have learned much theory but lack "doing"

employers cry about university graduates having no experience in the real world , or lacking common sense,
"just give me someone that can actually do the job" is fairly common for them to say
although i am not suggesting this is a universal rule, or we would have anecdotal doctors performing brain surgery on folk

where does growing pot fit into the grand scheme of things
somewhere between rocket science and brain surgery perhaps ?

peace

Truth hurts huh little buddy!

Alexander Supertramp said:

Nor the Amish.....

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you guys and your old man jokes

Uncle Ben said:

Do you have ANY leaves left? If so, it won't be long before they're gone.

Also, you said you used too much N, too late. This is the time when you should be using more N, like a 9-3-6, not some frickin' snake oil that contains massive amounts of K which will work against you buy inducing leaf necrosis. Learn some botany and get off the snake oil teats. They're only out to take your money, you boob.

What was the source for that N, what food? (IOW, aint buying it).

Now, a wise man would heed what I'm trying to TEACH. A fool just ignores my experience. (Remember, I told you so.)

I report, you decide,
UB

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I like your post on topping, it's good, I have topped a few plants since I started growing a few years ago.
I am appreciative of your experience, I really am. I do need to learn more botany. I've started but as I stated before,
I am still learning.

I do have leaves left, the ones I took off were either dead or dying and I was sure it was because it was close to harvest, since I started it the same time as my last harvest. As I said earlier though, she got left outside for a couple of days (back in May) so she started revegging which fucked the harvest time up for it.

The source of N was expired coffee grounds. I had placed some on my SD that is still vegging and mindlessly threw some on this plant too. Dumbass mistake.

I think the revegging is what's fucked you the most in this whole grow.

roseypeach said:

The source of N was expired coffee grounds. I had placed some on my SD that is still vegging and mindlessly threw some on this plant too. Dumbass mistake.

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Say what? There's no N in coffee grounds, nothing of real value. How many leaves do you have left, enough to promote flowering? It takes 13-15 leaves to ripen a cluster of grapes. Are you getting it yet?

I gave you advice of how to correct your mistakes so what do you do? Screw them up even more with Snowstorm.

You'll just have to learn the hard way....as most do here.

Good luck,
UB

PJ Diaz said:

I think the revegging is what's fucked you the most in this whole grow.

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I've revegged before and nothing got "fucked up".

roseypeach said:

I like your post on topping, it's good, I have topped a few plants since I started growing a few years ago.
I am appreciative of your experience, I really am. I do need to learn more botany. I've started but as I stated before,
I am still learning.

I do have leaves left, the ones I took off were either dead or dying and I was sure it was because it was close to harvest, since I started it the same time as my last harvest. As I said earlier though, she got left outside for a couple of days (back in May) so she started revegging which fucked the harvest time up for it.

The source of N was expired coffee grounds. I had placed some on my SD that is still vegging and mindlessly threw some on this plant too. Dumbass mistake.

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Read the first page at least - https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/570037-so-you-noobs-hooked-cannabis.html

Chemical defoliation has historically been a weapon of warfare. Dropping defoliants onto enemy territory accomplishes several goals which can further a military objective. The first is the destruction of food crops, which can cause social unrest and lead to pressure to end the war. The second is the deprivation of cover; with no leaves to hide behind or under, enemy soldiers will be easier to identify. This tactic can also be demoralizing, which undermines public support for the war.

You guys going to war with your weed plants?

LOL ... google ' What is defoliation?' to get a good laugh. Only Bonzai trees comes up and then a few posts from stoners that are probably teenagers growing weed on their neighbors roof or in the creek behind the house

Uncle Ben said:

I've revegged before and nothing got "fucked up".

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I'm not saying that revegging in general will fuck things up, but if you reveg for a week in the middle of flowering like the OP did, things can get pretty fucked up.

PJ Diaz said:

I'm not saying that revegging in general will fuck things up, but if you reveg for a week in the middle of flowering like the OP did, things can get pretty fucked up.

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And just how "fucked up" can they get?

PJ Diaz said:

I'm not saying that revegging in general will fuck things up, but if you reveg for a week in the middle of flowering like the OP did, things can get pretty fucked up.

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It takes forever to revert a plant back to veg. I tried reverting clones I took from a plant flowering in week 2 back to veg just to experiment and see if it was possible and placed the cutting under a light for 24 hrs a day. Even with that amount of light, once the plant grew it roots, the clone still grew more pistils and the flowers got bigger (very slowy but still did) under the 24/0 light. This was over 3 week period I saw this go on. I think this is what Uncle Ben is saying is that it is going to take a lot longer than 1 week of messing up a light cycle to mess a plant up that badly. Plus, a messed up light schedule does not destroy leaves that badly either lol.

Situation420 said:

I think this is what Uncle Ben is saying is that it is going to take a lot longer than 1 week of messing up a light cycle to mess a plant up that badly. Plus, a messed up light schedule does not destroy leaves that badly either lol.

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I wasn't using clones but several times both in and outdoors I could get a pretty fast reversion back to veg response with seedlings by increasing N with long days, short nights. I planted about 13 Mex outdoors and sexed them by covering them religiously with garbage cans. Took about a week to sex, I pulled the males mid-summer but it only took about 2 weeks to revert back to veg and keep on trucking until the longer nights of mid August initiated the flowering response once again. Harvested in November.

Situation420 said:

It takes forever to revert a plant back to veg. I tried reverting clones I took from a plant flowering in week 2 back to veg just to experiment and see if it was possible and placed the cutting under a light for 24 hrs a day. Even with that amount of light, once the plant grew it roots, the clone still grew more pistils and the flowers got bigger (very slowy but still did) under the 24/0 light. This was over 3 week period I saw this go on. I think this is what Uncle Ben is saying is that it is going to take a lot longer than 1 week of messing up a light cycle to mess a plant up that badly. Plus, a messed up light schedule does not destroy leaves that badly either lol.

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We're not talking about a total reveg being what happened here. The plants were put in a veg light schedule for a few days during flowering, so likely they slowed in producing flowers, and started a bit of veg growth. Then it was quickly put back in flower, and got it's growth pattern all confused. Likely buds will be non-uniformly ripened and fluffy. It's pretty obvious to me what happened here, and the reveg was only one part of the problem, but a substantial one. That said, I see no use in arguing over this thing.

Alexander Supertramp said:

You are correct Kite, the punk has nothing to back up his claims. So he resorts little rants in order to redirect attention away from the subject at hand...

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Alex, how come no one ever wants to debate or argue with you but your always right there in the middle of someone else's discussion. I never see you contribute relevant information to a thread, just antagonize the members that are already arguing. Its seems like you have no opinions of your own and no passion. Just a mindless, self doubting, opinion-less, lurch, that sees what his friends are up to and jumps on the band wagon. When are we going to have to see you talk about something that your interested in rather than just follow your "friends" around and like all of their responses and try to stir up more trouble lol?

SchmokinOnTrees said:

Now I'm not expierienced or anything but I read what situation was saying about pulling off leaves during the seedling phase. I do it myself and it works. I don't know about hormones but when you pull the leaf off it makes the stem grow faster compared to the rest of the plant as it would normally giving that branch a chance to get longer before it is covered by the canopy. I can't explain why but it's true

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You are right, however, this is only true during the seedling stage from what I have noticed. If you take off fan leaves later in the plants life, you are going to slow down growth to that part of the plant you removed the leaves from. I only defoliate when the plant is less than 1.5-3 weeks old. I prune after that and just let leaves fall off on their own.

Sir.Ganga said:

My so called claims are backed by solid research available to anyone almost anywhere. Maybe instead of running your mouth you should run your ass into a class or two because your low brow is showing.

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I'm with Kite, you have shown us nothing but a big mouth spewing noise. Now, have some balls and show us your wonderful plants and names of your wonderful textbooks that have reinvented the botanical wheel.

You have no credibility nor honor as it stands now with the long term seasoned growers at RIU. You have earned the reputation as the Village Troll. It's up to you to redeem yourself.

Your choice......

sir.ganga said:

i will no longer waste my time with these idiots because even with solid evidence they refuse to admit that they need help with their pitiful grows.

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If you show the solid research/ proof, then the argument is over. It's that simple guys.

If you can't show it, then stop saying it exists. If you are making these claims as something that has not been proven, ok, but you keep saying there is proof.