Dealing With Customs

oceanbastard

oceanbastard

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Not entirely sure this is the most appropriate place for this topic but 'eeeere we go.

I recently received a letter from US Customs & Border Protection regarding a shipment of about 500 etizolam pills. The letter claims my package was subject to forfeiture under the following:
Title 19, Section 1595a(c)
Title 21, Section 381
Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b)

My question is, how much of a chance do I have to see the return of my package should I elect to petition, and what is the best way of doing so? Under Title 19, Section 1595a(c) and Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b) i have erred in no way. The substance in question is NOT contrary to law, with the exception of Arkansas and Mississippi where scheduling acts have not fully taken effect and were not even passed at the ACTUAL time of importation (exact date unknown but could be retrieved, sometime in first quarter of the year (this also brings me to ask if I can refute their claimed date of seizure which is clearly incorrect - september 25, 2014)). In addition, the product is in no way adulterated or misbranded - having ordered from this retailer before, I know for certain that all products in my package, if left alone with no tampering, are CLEARLY labeled as what they are, their dosage, and their chemical makeup. My primary concern is that there is some gray area in the wording of title 21, Section 381 that could null my petition entirely.

Any help is greatly appreciated, as unfortunately, this package does not ACTUALLY belong to me, but it has fallen to me to undertake retrieving it if this is possible.
 
oceanbastard said:
Not entirely sure this is the most appropriate place for this topic but 'eeeere we go.

I recently received a letter from US Customs & Border Protection regarding a shipment of about 500 etizolam pills. The letter claims my package was subject to forfeiture under the following:
Title 19, Section 1595a(c)
Title 21, Section 381
Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b)

My question is, how much of a chance do I have to see the return of my package should I elect to petition, and what is the best way of doing so? Under Title 19, Section 1595a(c) and Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b) i have erred in no way. The substance in question is NOT contrary to law, with the exception of Arkansas and Mississippi where scheduling acts have not fully taken effect and were not even passed at the ACTUAL time of importation (exact date unknown but could be retrieved, sometime in first quarter of the year (this also brings me to ask if I can refute their claimed date of seizure which is clearly incorrect - september 25, 2014)). In addition, the product is in no way adulterated or misbranded - having ordered from this retailer before, I know for certain that all products in my package, if left alone with no tampering, are CLEARLY labeled as what they are, their dosage, and their chemical makeup. My primary concern is that there is some gray area in the wording of title 21, Section 381 that could null my petition entirely.

Any help is greatly appreciated, as unfortunately, this package does not ACTUALLY belong to me, but it has fallen to me to undertake retrieving it if this is possible.
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those pills aint illegal (yet) so you should be able to file a claim and get it back but it will cost you a packet, and they have many dodges to simply ignore your legal rights.

IF however, even one molecule of any drug which is prohibited made it's way into the package then you got no shot, since they could sieze the $50 your gam gam sends you on your birthday due to it's trace cocaine content.
 
You should definitely write an official appeal to the decision. Government lackeys fucking hate appeals, its a big process and MUST be done by law if requested.

All of my Appeals to various government agencies have always worked.
 
Dr Kynes said:
well you are importing "large" quantities of "Drugs" (which are bad, MmmKay...) and while your pills werent actually illegal, that doesnt stop the feebs from making up a story.
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True, but I sincerely doubt the FBI would care about this particular incdent given it was not REALLy a "large" quantity (if they were to care about etizolam they'd go after people importaing in the tens of thousands I'm sure). Besides, the FBI has MUCH more important things to concern themselves with, given they probably know Etizolam is mostly harmless and the crusade against it is similar in nature to the one against Kratom (although Etizolam I guess does pose a mild threat to humans whereas kratom poses none). Also, when you say in your previous post it will likely cost me a packet, how much approximately are we talking? The cost of retrieving them will likely play a huge role in my decision here.
NoDrama said:
You should definitely write an official appeal to the decision. Government lackeys fucking hate appeals, its a big process and MUST be done by law if requested.

All of my Appeals to various government agencies have always worked.
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Anyone else seen general success with appeals? I'm most likely going to, but I'd rather not based simply on the few posts thus far in this thread (not to discredit anyone. just interested in having more answers before i decide, understandable I hope). Should I contact a lawyer and discuss with them how to properly write out the appeal? I have a feeling exact wording and exemplifying some sort of legal knowledge of the situation will increase my chances of the appeal succeeding since, as probably even CBP knows, this seizure is bullshit and pretty-much-but-not-quite misconduct.
 
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oceanbastard said:
Anyone else seen general success with appeals? I'm most likely going to, but I'd rather not based simply on the few posts thus far in this thread (not to discredit anyone. just interested in having more answers before i decide, understandable I hope). Should I contact a lawyer and discuss with them how to properly write out the appeal? I have a feeling exact wording and exemplifying some sort of legal knowledge of the situation will increase my chances of the appeal succeeding since, as probably even CBP knows, this seizure is bullshit and pretty-much-but-not-quite misconduct.
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You don't need a lawyer, you just need to go item by item through the laws they said you were breaking explaining how your items are not unlawful. Just be respectful. I won against the IRS twice, the Dept Of agriculture once and a county property tax increase.
 
oceanbastard said:
Not entirely sure this is the most appropriate place for this topic but 'eeeere we go.

I recently received a letter from US Customs & Border Protection regarding a shipment of about 500 etizolam pills. The letter claims my package was subject to forfeiture under the following:
Title 19, Section 1595a(c)
Title 21, Section 381
Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b)

My question is, how much of a chance do I have to see the return of my package should I elect to petition, and what is the best way of doing so? Under Title 19, Section 1595a(c) and Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b) i have erred in no way. The substance in question is NOT contrary to law, with the exception of Arkansas and Mississippi where scheduling acts have not fully taken effect and were not even passed at the ACTUAL time of importation (exact date unknown but could be retrieved, sometime in first quarter of the year (this also brings me to ask if I can refute their claimed date of seizure which is clearly incorrect - september 25, 2014)). In addition, the product is in no way adulterated or misbranded - having ordered from this retailer before, I know for certain that all products in my package, if left alone with no tampering, are CLEARLY labeled as what they are, their dosage, and their chemical makeup. My primary concern is that there is some gray area in the wording of title 21, Section 381 that could null my petition entirely.

Any help is greatly appreciated, as unfortunately, this package does not ACTUALLY belong to me, but it has fallen to me to undertake retrieving it if this is possible.
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It's not a research chemical if it comes with dosage recommendations is it?
 
oceanbastard said:
True, but I sincerely doubt the FBI would care about this particular incdent given it was not REALLy a "large" quantity (if they were to care about etizolam they'd go after people importaing in the tens of thousands I'm sure). Besides, the FBI has MUCH more important things to concern themselves with, given they probably know Etizolam is mostly harmless and the crusade against it is similar in nature to the one against Kratom (although Etizolam I guess does pose a mild threat to humans whereas kratom poses none). Also, when you say in your previous post it will likely cost me a packet, how much approximately are we talking? The cost of retrieving them will likely play a huge role in my decision here.

Anyone else seen general success with appeals? I'm most likely going to, but I'd rather not based simply on the few posts thus far in this thread (not to discredit anyone. just interested in having more answers before i decide, understandable I hope). Should I contact a lawyer and discuss with them how to properly write out the appeal? I have a feeling exact wording and exemplifying some sort of legal knowledge of the situation will increase my chances of the appeal succeeding since, as probably even CBP knows, this seizure is bullshit and pretty-much-but-not-quite misconduct.
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there is no way to estimate how much recovering your property will cost.

you may just have to send them a registered letter, you may have to sue them in federal court, or anything in between.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/302/~/seized-property---status-and-returns

basically they expect you to argue with the "relevant supervisor" and justify your demand for the return of your property to the specific port of entry where they jacked you.

copy the letter, prepare a refutation of their claims about why they siezed it then try and figure out which asshole you gotta send it to.
 
oceanbastard said:
Not entirely sure this is the most appropriate place for this topic but 'eeeere we go.

I recently received a letter from US Customs & Border Protection regarding a shipment of about 500 etizolam pills. The letter claims my package was subject to forfeiture under the following:
Title 19, Section 1595a(c)
Title 21, Section 381
Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b)

My question is, how much of a chance do I have to see the return of my package should I elect to petition, and what is the best way of doing so? Under Title 19, Section 1595a(c) and Title 21, Section 331 (a) & (b) i have erred in no way. The substance in question is NOT contrary to law, with the exception of Arkansas and Mississippi where scheduling acts have not fully taken effect and were not even passed at the ACTUAL time of importation (exact date unknown but could be retrieved, sometime in first quarter of the year (this also brings me to ask if I can refute their claimed date of seizure which is clearly incorrect - september 25, 2014)). In addition, the product is in no way adulterated or misbranded - having ordered from this retailer before, I know for certain that all products in my package, if left alone with no tampering, are CLEARLY labeled as what they are, their dosage, and their chemical makeup. My primary concern is that there is some gray area in the wording of title 21, Section 381 that could null my petition entirely.

Any help is greatly appreciated, as unfortunately, this package does not ACTUALLY belong to me, but it has fallen to me to undertake retrieving it if this is possible.
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if it appears benzo-like in nature (which it is)..maybe they just wanted to fuck with your day by taking your drugs?..oh i mean, SNY (someone not you):wink:

personally, you're better off re-ordering because you will be out money only..happens all the time with seeds..if you file a petition, your name/SNY appears everywhere..do you really want that?..i mean how big was your shipment, dude?
 
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Dr Kynes said:
there is no way to estimate how much recovering your property will cost.

you may just have to send them a registered letter, you may have to sue them in federal court, or anything in between.

https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/302/~/seized-property---status-and-returns

basically they expect you to argue with the "relevant supervisor" and justify your demand for the return of your property to the specific port of entry where they jacked you.

copy the letter, prepare a refutation of their claims about why they siezed it then try and figure out which asshole you gotta send it to.
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bravo, doc!:hug:

+rep

:clap:
 
He isnt going to get his stuff back becuase the "research" chemicals were pressed into pills and came with dosage instructions
Now they arent research chemicals anymore
 
LIBERTYCHICKEN said:
Importing a unapproved drug is illegal

since it gives doses and is likely pre-pressed pills with labelling for doseage in another country your in the wrong

Next time try lose powder , labbeled not for human consumption

hireing a lawyer for a 100$ loss is insane anyway
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nice liberty!

+rep

:clap:

EDIT: this is how kratom gets through..most reputable for that IMO:

http://phytoextractum.com/

i like the "gold standard extract"..plus they give a straight up 20% off anything on monday orders..orders over $100 are fedexed overnight by 10:30AM!..can't beat it! these guys are the real deal!
 
NoDrama said:
You don't need a lawyer, you just need to go item by item through the laws they said you were breaking explaining how your items are not unlawful. Just be respectful. I won against the IRS twice, the Dept Of agriculture once and a county property tax increase.
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nice!

+rep

:clap:
 
Thecouchlock said:
what the hell are these drugs you guys are speaking of and why aren't you sharing?
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designer analogs of various substances (the OP's is Designer Benzedrine)

i for one dont care much for pills, and havent used em since the 80's, but the drugs in question aint illegal, and thus are legal.

but back in the late 80's i went to a lot of parties in LA featuring "fruit salad" and i dont even remember what happened next.

Pills-in-pile.jpg


Good Times
 
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