Congress [America] Run by a bunch of Christians?

ginwilly said:

You mean that because a piece of legislation that won't pass and even if it did would not have the affect you predict doesn't really matter to me?

Do you believe EMTs (other than me of course) will now go around saying "I'm sorry sir, but that looks like a blouse you are wearing, I can't help you".

Your hate is illogical.

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you're not explaining your hypocrisy, you're trying to marginalize it.

i want to know why, in this thread, you stated that your "problems arise" when religious types try to force beliefs on you by legislation.

yet, in other threads, you stated that you have no problem when religious types force beliefs onto others by legislation.

for example, EMTs letting gays die. or hobby lobby denying contraceptives to women. or piggly wiggly refusing to hire blacks (all under the guise of "religious freedom").

why do you state one thing in this thread, yet contradict yourself so very often in other threads?

again, don't try to marginalize your hypocrisy, as that does nothing to explain your hypocrisy.

ChesusRice said:

Well legally if the legislation passed you could.
And you have voiced support for that legislation

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If by I can't make myself give a fuck means support then you have an argument.

Do you believe EMTs will be checking sexual orientation first because of the law? Are you guys really that dumb?

The last 4 years have been a strong conservative slant to the Michigan body of legislation, this doesn't even come close to the dumbest piece of legislation they have presented. Not sure why you have such focus on this one that will most likely go nowhere and if it does there won't be a rash of EMTs letting gays die because they are gay.

ginwilly said:

If by I can't make myself give a fuck means support then you have an argument.

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but you did "make yourself give a fuck". you even went so far as to say you had no reason to oppose that legislation, and a good reason to support it.

let me remind you using your very own words.

here is you saying you have no reason to oppose that legislation:

ginwilly said:

I don't believe I have the right to FORCE an EMT to give me medical treatment anyway...if they have a legitimate reason (to them) for not giving me treatment I don't think there is much I can say.

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and then you go a step further, and voice outright support for it:

ginwilly said:

I'm against forcing people to do things against their will.

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ya know who else is against "forcing people to do things against their will"?

the bigots who wrote that piece of legislation allowing religious EMTs to refuse life-saving medical help to gays under the guise of "religious freedom".

that's whose side you are on.

are you proud of that?

why do you support such hateful, bigoted, intolerant nonsense so often?

UncleBuck said:

you're not explaining your hypocrisy, you're trying to marginalize it.

i want to know why, in this thread, you stated that your "problems arise" when religious types try to force beliefs on you by legislation.

yet, in other threads, you stated that you have no problem when religious types force beliefs onto others by legislation.

for example, EMTs letting gays die. or hobby lobby denying contraceptives to women. or piggly wiggly refusing to hire blacks (all under the guise of "religious freedom").

why do you state one thing in this thread, yet contradict yourself so very often in other threads?

again, don't try to marginalize your hypocrisy, as that does nothing to explain your hypocrisy.

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Me: I don't think the bad piece of legislation that will most likely never pass will do what you claim it will

Uncle Buck: " So you are for letting gays die!! but you said you don't like religious legislation"

The stupid is strong with you.

ChesusRice said:

Well legally if the legislation passed you could.
And you have voiced support for that legislation

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What would happen differently between now and if the bill passes? I don't think you even understand what the idiotic bill says, you are just going off what Buck tells you it says.

UncleBuck said:

you're not explaining your hypocrisy, you're trying to marginalize it.

i want to know why, in this thread, you stated that your "problems arise" when religious types try to force beliefs on you by legislation.

yet, in other threads, you stated that you have no problem when religious types force beliefs onto others by legislation.

for example, EMTs letting gays die. or hobby lobby denying contraceptives to women. or piggly wiggly refusing to hire blacks (all under the guise of "religious freedom").

why do you state one thing in this thread, yet contradict yourself so very often in other threads?

again, don't try to marginalize your hypocrisy, as that does nothing to explain your hypocrisy.

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You do realize that us healthcare workers are not indentured servants don't you? Please tell me you do.

If someone refused me treatment based on any reason they can think of what is my recourse? What difference does this legislation mean to my situation?

What if a doctor said we are not taking new patients, then I later found out my neighbor got an appointment? Can I sue for discrimination?

This is why I try to avoid talking healthcare with people like you. You know practically nothing about it, pretend to be an expert, then lie and contort everything anyone else says about it.

ginwilly said:

Me: I don't think the bad piece of legislation that will most likely never pass will do what you claim it will

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that's not what you said, that is your marginalization after the fact. do you understand that?

here is what you originally said.

ginwilly: I don't believe I have the right to FORCE an EMT to give me medical treatment anyway...if they have a legitimate reason (to them) for not giving me treatment I don't think there is much I can say...I'm against forcing people to do things against their will.

in simple terms, you support the notion that EMTs should be allowed to refuse life-saving medical service to gays on the basis of "religious freedom".

trying to marginalize that support is not going to change the fact that it has your support.

UncleBuck said:

that's not what you said, that is your marginalization after the fact. do you understand that?

here is what you originally said.

ginwilly: I don't believe I have the right to FORCE an EMT to give me medical treatment anyway...if they have a legitimate reason (to them) for not giving me treatment I don't think there is much I can say...I'm against forcing people to do things against their will.

in simple terms, you support the notion that EMTs should be allowed to refuse life-saving medical service to gays on the basis of "religious freedom".

trying to marginalize that support is not going to change the fact that it has your support.

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Support... LOL you are dumb. Everyone is right about you.

I can't force another man (well I shouldn't be able to) to do something to me against his will. You turn this into support for letting me die.

ginwilly said:

You do realize that us healthcare workers are not indentured servants don't you?

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kinda sounds like you are reinforcing the notion that you should be allowed to refuse service to gays if you so choose.

ginwilly said:

If someone refused me treatment based on any reason they can think of what is my recourse?

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if someone refused to treat you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, and there exists a law stating that they are allowed to refuse treatment to you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, then you have no recourse.

that's kinda the whole point of laws.

this goes back to when you mocked the "poor defenseless blacks", not realizing that without civil rights laws, they are literally defenseless against the discrimination they faced from people like you.

how can you sue someone or take recourse against someone if their actions are lawful?

ginwilly said:

Support... LOL you are dumb.

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you take the same exact position as the religious michigan legislators who want to impose their beliefs on others.

how is that not support?

ginwilly said:

I can't force another man (well I shouldn't be able to) to do something to me against his will. You turn this into support for letting me die.

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when the "do something to me" part is life saving medical treatment from an emergency medical technician, what do you think the result might be?

tell me, as a (supposed) medical professional, what you think the consequences of not receiving life saving medical treatment from an emergency medical technician might be?

don't have a meltdown, just try to answer the question to the best of your (diminutive) abilities.

This is why most people have started putting you on ignore. Every thread just turns into people having to defend against the stupid shit you say.

I take it you support dropping bombs on innocent women and children? I never hear you speaking out against Obama for it so you must support it. It's most likely because they are brown, you hate brown women and children and want to bomb them you piece of shit racist.

That's what threads typically turn into when Buck is involved. He is THAT guy.

UncleBuck said:

you're not explaining your hypocrisy, you're trying to marginalize it.

i want to know why, in this thread, you stated that your "problems arise" when religious types try to force beliefs on you by legislation.

yet, in other threads, you stated that you have no problem when religious types force beliefs onto others by legislation.

for example, EMTs letting gays die. or hobby lobby denying contraceptives to women. or piggly wiggly refusing to hire blacks (all under the guise of "religious freedom").

why do you state one thing in this thread, yet contradict yourself so very often in other threads?

again, don't try to marginalize your hypocrisy, as that does nothing to explain your hypocrisy.

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Would you please cite a reference to "Piggly Wiggly refusing to hire blacks under the guise of religious freedom"? I've never heard that.

TBoneJack said:

Would you please cite a reference to "Piggly Wiggly refusing to hire blacks under the guise of religious freedom"? I've never heard that.

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Google only has 1% of the workforce as black. Buck never speaks out against google, has even linked to it a few times. therefore RACIST!!

He's a unique one for sure.

TBoneJack said:

Would you please cite a reference to "Piggly Wiggly refusing to hire blacks under the guise of religious freedom"? I've never heard that.

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Here it is:

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/374018-Owners-of-Two-Piggly-Wiggly-Stores-to-Pay-40-000-For-Refusing-to-Hire-African-American-and-Male-Cas

It was only 2 stores (not the whole chain like UncleBuck implied), and they also refused to hire males for cashier positions. So the owners of these 2 stores were fucking idiots all the way around.

ginwilly said:

This is why most people have started putting you on ignore. Every thread just turns into people having to defend against the stupid shit you say.

I take it you support dropping bombs on innocent women and children? I never hear you speaking out against Obama for it so you must support it. It's most likely because they are brown, you hate brown women and children and want to bomb them you piece of shit racist.

That's what threads typically turn into when Buck is involved. He is THAT guy.

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please don't have a meltdown.

you are trying to change the subject.

i asked you several very simple, non-controversial questions.

as a (supposed) medical professional, what you think the consequences of not receiving life saving medical treatment from an emergency medical technician might be?

if someone refused to treat you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, and there exists a law stating that they are allowed to refuse treatment to you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, then what recourse do you have?

UncleBuck said:

please don't have a meltdown.

you are trying to change the subject.

i asked you several very simple, non-controversial questions.

as a (supposed) medical professional, what you think the consequences of not receiving life saving medical treatment from an emergency medical technician might be?

if someone refused to treat you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, and there exists a law stating that they are allowed to refuse treatment to you on the basis that you are gay and it violates their religion, then what recourse do you have?

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First, do you honestly think it will pass?
Second, do you honestly think EMTs will start refusing treatment to gays because of this law?
Third, how long do you think they will be able to stay in the healthcare field?

Why is your opinion of healthcare workers so low? We actually dedicate our lives to helping others, you have dedicated yours to forum posting. I like my people better. (by my people I mean healthcare workers that come in all shapes and colors, I know I shouldn't have to explain that, but with you I KNOW i do).

TBoneJack said:

Here it is:

http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/374018-Owners-of-Two-Piggly-Wiggly-Stores-to-Pay-40-000-For-Refusing-to-Hire-African-American-and-Male-Cas

It was only 2 stores (not the whole chain like UncleBuck implied), and they also refused to hire males for cashier positions. So the owners of these 2 stores were fucking idiots all the way around.

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not the case i was referring to, actually.

but kinda interesting to see that businesses in this day and age are still refusing to hire blacks in such a callous fashion. kinda works against what ginwilly is saying about how all of that is behind us so we can get rid of these darn civil rights laws.

ginwilly said:

First, do you honestly think it will pass?
Second, do you honestly think EMTs will start refusing treatment to gays because of this law?
Third, how long do you think they will be able to stay in the healthcare field?

Why is your opinion of healthcare workers so low? We actually dedicate our lives to helping others, you have dedicated yours to forum posting. I like my people better. (by my people I mean healthcare workers that come in all shapes and colors, I know I shouldn't have to explain that, but with you I KNOW i do).

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again, no need to marginalize your support for the law.

and no need for another one of your meltdowns.

i gave you some pretty simple questions to answer. if you want to have a meltdown instead of a debate though, well, i can't stop you.

and i'm sure it will entertain us quite a bit.

UncleBuck said:

not the case i was referring to, actually.

but kinda interesting to see that businesses in this day and age are still refusing to hire blacks in such a callous fashion. kinda works against what ginwilly is saying about how all of that is behind us so we can get rid of these darn civil rights laws.

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I really think you are incapable of honest debate. I replied to you a few times though, did you cum? It seemed to send you into a frenzy.

TBoneJack said:

Would you please cite a reference to "Piggly Wiggly refusing to hire blacks under the guise of religious freedom"? I've never heard that.

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woooops, it was piggie park. i got it wrong.

The defendant Bessinger...argued that the Civil Rights Act violated his freedom of religion as "his religious beliefs compel him to oppose any integration of the races whatever."[7]