caddy's Journal #1 - Papaya & Haze 19 x Skunk #1

onthedl0008 said:

Sounds good caddy.. Any pic updates?

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Yeah, I thought about that after posting- I should have waited to accompany the post with pictures. I'll take some tonight

onthedl0008 said:

R u using olds method of cloning?

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I'm using the Al B. Fuct method of cloning. Rooting Hormone powder using 2x2 rock wool cubes pre-soaked in ph 5.8 water. They're kept on a flat tray with a hydrofarm heat mat underneath.

Unlike Al's setup if I do not use a humidome they sag and wilt so fast (in about 1 hour) they look nearly like death. If I put the tall 8" dome back on they perk back up in another 2 hours and look great. I know Al didn't use domes but he must have some serious humidity control in his cloning box, my best guess anyway.

onthedl0008 said:

Cant wait to see these things under 1000k.
I wish i had the room for bigger tubs and more wattage man.
Its gonna be fun to see this.
Anyways hope ur new year is better than ever sir grow on.

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When the perpetual system is in motion i'll actually have two 30 gallon tubs side by side in my 4x4 area I've condensed for flowering. I can then more succesfully lollypop clones and get 20 going at one time. At the moment the one 30 gallon is in the middle to flower off the plants that are just too big to do any more vegetation with. I'm hoping the 5 weeks of flowering will allow my 27 cuttings to get big enough to serve as 4 mothers and 23 more to throw into flower. We shall see

Hope your New Year is great as well!

Here are the pictures in the flower area. To better control the environment, odor and a few other things I decided on a 4x4x6.5 grow tent. I must say I'm very impressed with its quality and light tight construction. It's also MUCH more sturdy than I hoped since if it didn't work I would've just discarded it and sold it another time, it was worth a try and exceeded expectations.

I've managed to deal with air input and output in a very unexpected manner. After rigging up a nice fan to go on the same timer as the lights I can pump a ton of fresh cool air into the lower region of the tent. By leaving one side of the Sun System 6" hood open and using a 6" -> 4" reducer to vent the heat of the 1000w it will actually suck warmer air in that rises and blow it out the ducting leading to the back of the cabinet. The back pressure in the tent is just enough to allow this to happen VERY efficiently keeping ambient temperatures in the tent around 78-80 degrees. When necessary I will add another carbon scrubber to tail end of this duct work on the outside of the tent and take further action to force more air through for it to efficiently scrub the air upon exit. At the present time little to no odor comes out of the vent or tent itself.

I should note that the plants in here are very big and will get bent accordingly for space as they grow. The future perpetual engine will have two 30 gallon tubs (presently only one 30 gallon) with ten 3.75" net pots in each. This will let me flower off 20 at one time in a compact area. These have out grown out of their vegetation cabinet and are being flowered as to not let them go to waste. The 27 cuttings are 8 days in and hopefully in another few days I can move them to the veg cabinet, once the flowering is done in 5-6 weeks the clones will start moving in accordingly while leaving 3 or 4 behind to become mothers.

Anyway, enough of this long post- onto the pictures.

Quick update-

There are now 4 confirmed females being 3 days into flower the last of the Haze19xSkunk#1 has shown their sex and its 100% female for that strain.

Still waiting on all 4 Papaya's to see what they'll be.

Sexing Update 5 days into flower:

Haze 19 x Skunk #1 - 4 for 4, 100% Female
Papaya - 4 Total, 1 Male destroyed, awaiting the last 3.

Cloning:

Clone Total: 25
Total fully rooted at present date/time: 11

Sexing Update 8 days into flower:

Haze 19 x Skunk #1 - 4 for 4, 100% Female
Papaya - 1 Male destroyed - 2 Female (1 more to show sex.)


Cloning:

Total Clones rooted: 21 - Not too bad out of 25 to only have lost 4 on the first attempt. (Using Al B. Fuct batch of clones in rockwool technique.)

Clones in flower: 10
2 More are going to be mothers, the rest will be thrown out. No more room at the moment and do not want to alter the grow-op design to just squeeze a few more in.

Total plants in flower: 17


Picture update later this evening.

coo-coo, looking forward to those pics.....

Sexing Update 13 days into flower:

Sexing is now completed for all plants!

Final Results: I started with 10 plants, 2 of which were cut down for being runts (one of each strain) which left me with 8. One Papaya turned male and was destroyed leaving a final count of 7. All of these 7 are female.

Haze 19 x Skunk #1 - 4 for 4, 100% Female

Papaya - 1 Male removed - 3 Female, 75% Female


Cloning Progression:

Clones in flower: 12

Total plants in flower: 19 (12 clones, 7 originals) - Out of 10 clones remaining I have 2 very good viable mothers out of each strain, the rest will be tossed in the grow-op garbage for proper disposal.

Current Conditions:

Ambient Air Temperature: 80.3F
Water Temperature 68.8F
pH: 5.66
PPM: 1400

Now, onto the pictures...

The first two pictures from left show growth after a few days in flower, not sure on how many but the previous picture update shows the very first day of flower- these pictures also show the dual 31 gallon roughnecks with ten 3.75" net pots in each. Ultimately these two will be in the flower room continuously filled growing in SOG fashion.

The third picture from left is at the end of day 7 flowering. The tub was turned getting ready for the first batch of clones now.

The last two pictures on the right show where we are as of last night, day 13 flower with 10 clones in their tub. The two in rock wool just sitting are "just in case" clones.. they're all very well rooted but I just set them there just in case anything happened to one plant from either strain I could replace it without losing time on a clone that was still freshly on a 24/0 light schedule in a different location.

Damn caddy looks awesome. Just wish i had the room for all that insanity...Everything looks nice and tight bro... Many props. Glad to see the sog sir.
Its so much easier for me this way...
Quick question, What r u maxing out ur flower nutz @?
Cant say enuff good about what ur doing just wanted to stop by and spread some love bro..Good stuff

onthedl0008 said:

Damn caddy looks awesome. Just wish i had the room for all that insanity...Everything looks nice and tight bro... Many props. Glad to see the sog sir.
Its so much easier for me this way...
Quick question, What r u maxing out ur flower nutz @?
Cant say enuff good about what ur doing just wanted to stop by and spread some love bro..Good stuff

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Thank you as always - Nutrients running at 1400PPM. I am running Sensi Bloom A & B in both tubs that flower.

blueybong said:

Nice grow Caddy! How much was this tent and where did you buying it from?

This looks like what I'm needing for my next grow and since it exceeded your expectations makes me more interested.

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Thanks for stopping by- The tent was $120 shipped, it is the 4x4x6.5 tent with white interior, not the aluminum foil kind inside. I was going to go with the 6x6x6 but am glad I didn't, would've just been too big. I made sure my double 31 gallon roughnecks would fit side by side in any direction- having done that I occupied 20 spots between both containers to flower up to 20 at one time so that was all I needed, growing 20 in SOG with the right strain will yeild a heavy harvest, for me anyway.

I've researched and followed a LOT of grows, extra space isn't always a good thing depending on your operation size. I actually have a much larger room to work in but for odors and closer environment control with less outside objects I could not go wrong with this. You will probably be able to find the few who do sell this one that low with a few searches on eBay.

Remember, different shipping destinations.. private listings only, request no feedback, and leave no feedback. Unless you're completely comfortable without doing all that, that's up to you- just food for thought. I look forward to following your grow further.

blueybong said:

I found this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydroponics-Tent-48x48x78-Hydro-Cabinet-Grow-Budd-Box_W0QQitemZ220303056920QQcmdZViewItemQQptZHydroponics_Seed_Starting?hash=item220303056920&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1309|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

and was wondering how you mounted your lights? Are there more than one intake on the bottom?

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That would appear to be the same kind as I bought. There is one vent at the bottom (front left side) and there are two in the back, one up top and one directly out the back. You can see my pictures and look close in the upper left and lower left hand corners to see the vents. On the left, back and right sides of the tent there are screen vents approximately 5" tall by 18" long which have flaps on the inside that can go up or down to allow for more ventilation if necessary. I keep a fan on the outside of the tent blowing directly into the left side vent so it creates back-pressure inside of the tent- having done this the open 6" vent on the left of my glass sealed hood is the only escape which on the other side of the hood goes through 6" -> 4" reducer then to 4" duct work which eventually as you can see vents directly from the back vent in the upper left. I use the very top vent in the tent to run the ballast cord for the light out of so no additional openings or holes have to be made to accommodate the lighting cord. I keep my ballast outside of the tent due to excess heat, and not to mention humidity sitting on or inside that 1000w ballast

All that being said with the 1000w SunSystem kicking for 12 hours the tent, at its hottest, will only get 80.5F with a humidity point of roughly 45-55% depending on how much water is on the fan leaves from them sucking the reservoirs water supply up. Odor is definitely not an issue anymore, I barely smell anything and if I do i'll attach a carbon filter to the 4" duct and call it done. I cannot even believe how much odor this thing cut down just by using the tent alone with no other odor intervention devices. The veg cabinet on the other hand stinks like hell when kicking for 18 hours on mothers.. that does have a carbon filter on it, no question.

As for your lighting mount question..

The top of the constructed tent provides a few bars with varying hooks & heights which connect to the top portion of the tent frame.

This allows you to hang your lights accordingly at varying heights using these rods that snap in and out. I unfortunately am flowering 7 huge plants that started my SOG process so I will need to start bending the plants and finding another way to move the light up another 2 inches (don't want it too close to the top). My glass enclosed vented hood really weighs down on those bars but is very sturdy.. unfortunately while it does bend them I lose at least an inch an a half in height because of "sag" of the light mounting bars.

Im going to have to look into this tent caddy..Awesome idea especially for containing odors to be filtered.. Didnt know they were that cheap..My dro store sells the same one for 400 bux or something its rediculous..

onthedl0008 said:

Im going to have to look into this tent caddy..Awesome idea especially for containing odors to be filtered.. Didnt know they were that cheap..My dro store sells the same one for 400 bux or something its rediculous..

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Yeah, they are pretty high in a lot of places. I only bought the size I needed to exactly flower 20 SOG style plants with 10 in each tub, the 6x6x6.5 would be nice if you had two 1000w lights in there, I don't think one would quite cut it in anything over 4x4x6.5 with the height restriction in the tent.

Just made sense in regards to odors.. I could use a whole regular size room that the tent sits in and try to control it on a larger scale or be the master of a smaller environment growing the same amount of plants.

blueybong said:

Thanks Caddy! You answered my questions and then some. Yep, I'll be ordering this tent.

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Glad to help.

sweeettttttt

Here we are at the end of week 2 for the 7 main plants that started the SOG grow operation off.

Being this far into the grow I will be stopping the detailed updates in regards to PPM, PH, Water & Room temperatures due to the lack of need. All of the current environment situations for both vegetation and flowering will remain at the levels they were last reported moving forward. In another 3-5 months I may start another strain for a new detailed weekly journal but for now these two are it.

Pictures below start with the 7 plants after 2 weeks of flower. The clone pictures are about 5 days in flowering and still young. I have moved an additional 4 clones that are sitting on the tub making a total of 15 clones in flower. Once they catch on they will occupy half of the other 30 gallon tub. I found setting these clones on the container itself did not prohibit or slow down any growth. This is temporary until the 7 big plants are finished- the additional 5 clones will be seated in a tub thereafter. The other pictures just show various tops and angles of the current crop.

I will continue to post weekly picture updates along with any other notable changes along the way where applicable.

I just wanted to point out since I believe its an important update for me.. that it may help others.

The old discussion of is a 400w HPS better than a 1000HPS due to the lumens they put out "at different distances". Having two 400w lights & ballasts and also this 1000w I can definitively say that a glass sealed hood or cool tube (never used one of those) are the most ideal in a larger wattage if you can use one.

From my past reading on lighting the argument was at the bulb its obvious a 1000w HPS puts out more lumens than a 400w HPS at the bulb. However, a 400w can be put closer to your plants than a 1000w could be causing the lumens to actually be stronger at the plant than the 1000w just due to the loss of lumens over a larger distance from the plant with a 1000w. I am not here to argue this, frankly I don't care to either. I just wanted to point out you can see in my pictures that this 1000w HPS is literally 8 inches above the tops of my plants yet not one single leaf is burnt, fried or under any heat stress.

No matter what you get, if you have heat issues from the light or just want to get the most lumens for your job.. make SURE you have a good glass sealed hood of some sort. It acts as a natural heat vent as well as allowing you to drop that light nearly on top of the plants. Of course the first 8 inches is hot under this light.. but the first 8 inches under my 400w lights is way hotter with no sealed glass hood directly under the bulb at the same distance. It was confusing to me on which size lighting to buy or use and now that I have seen I can capture more lumens at the plant with a 1000w being so close with a good hood.. rather than losing a lot of lumens from the 1000w by putting it 3 or 4 times the distance away from my plants without using a sealed hood in order to substitute for only a 400w just to put it closer to the plant to makeup that lumen loss from the 1000w being further away.

Take this for what its worth.. More or less my findings more so than an opinion on what you or anyone else should do. If you get a 1000w and have a good hood you can sit that sucker 8 inches over the plant.. same with a 400w. If I wasn't using this hood you can believe this light would need to be a minimum of 18 inches + over the tops of the plants losing 'some' overall lumens.. These hortilux 1000w bulbs burn.. VERY hot and I don't think I could be pulling off what I am without this hood.

This may or may not seem like captain obvious shit but when you start putting your grow together just take into account the heat and how close the light/reflector hood you buy can be put to your plants.. if you have a height issue you are going to run into issues by week 6, promise. This is an exact scenario I thought about over and over while outlining my operation and without direct mentors figuring this stuff out on your own can be costly as well as time consuming.

My only goal is to help get someone thinking out of the box more on their operation area when selecting lighting and to hopefully pick the best light for what they want to get done and get the most bang for their buck.

If you want a 1000w to get the thicker flowers pumping more lumens down and don't want to settle for less, just get a damn good hood and vent it.. I assure you your plants will survive about 8 inches under it where as if you didnt have a glass sealed hood / reflector on either 1000w or 400w at 8 inches you'd be burning your plants down.

Eh caddy thats some very informative info right there..Ive been dealing with all kinds of issues on lighting and designing and making my grow better.. My heads deffinetely been stuck in the box and plan some major changes here in the next few weeks..
Thanks man..It all makes sence..
Ur grow is an inspiration man.. Love the clone tub! Looking forward as usual to what u gonna bring man..Learn something new everytime i hit ur grow..

onthedl0008 said:

Eh caddy thats some very informative info right there..Ive been dealing with all kinds of issues on lighting and designing and making my grow better.. My heads deffinetely been stuck in the box and plan some major changes here in the next few weeks..
Thanks man..It all makes sence..
Ur grow is an inspiration man.. Love the clone tub! Looking forward as usual to what u gonna bring man..Learn something new everytime i hit ur grow..

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Glad to have been of some help

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Here are some random useless photos of a few tops and branches. I now see where all the major bud sites and branches are at this day in flowering (couple days over 2 weeks) - there are going to be some mega colas coming off the main papaya and two of the haze19xskunk#1 plants.. Some of the lower branches that have made their way up in height really seem like if they fill out they're going to be heavy weights, never mind the main cola of the plant..

Onto the "bud porn?"... Pictures at 20 days into flower.