caddy's Journal #1 - Papaya & Haze 19 x Skunk #1

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Butthead08 said:
Will you use that system clear through flowering? Will there be enough room?
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Flowering will be done in a separate room inside of two 30 gallon tubs with probably 8 or 10 sites in each using 3.5" net pots.. This will give me the ability to go up to 20 plants at one time if necessary.. not really looking to do much more weight than that.

The flowering room will run these two tubs with a single 1000 watt HPS. I am only going to keep the mothers in 5 gallon containers.. there is no way I'm doing the pH and nutrient level game in 10+ separate buckets. I'm not interested in making a big drain system for them either to make it all consistent, this doesnt need to be that difficult.. often times the best answer is the simplest :)
 
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Old in the Way said:
Looking good caddy.....:weed:
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Thank you sir, always appreciate you stopping by :)

caddyluck said:
sup caddy! nice grow ya got goin on, looks good!
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Uh oh, another caddy owner?? haha, nice :) - Thanks for the compliments, always appreciated and used for further motivation.

onthedl0008 said:
Hey caddy this grow is awesome. If U want, Come check out our Dwc grow club thread.
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Hey bud.. I check your threads out all the time my man, unfortunately as an interwebs entrepreneur I'm hustling most of the day and cannot get into a ton of other threads. Rest assured, I'm always digesting the good threads & info you put out there!
 
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Slightly late update- Here we are at the end of week five and ready to begin cloning. These things have absolutely skyrocketed with the new 400w metal halide shining down from above. I will use CFL in the future to sprout but once a little bigger.. nothing less than metal halide.. "I have seen... the light!"

Current Conditions:

Ambient Air Temperature: 79 degrees
Water Temperature: 72 degrees (lower at night)
PPM: 1560 (-140 out of faucet with last reservoir change - Total: 1420PPM)
pH: 5.91

Things to note!

I have two beautiful females of Haze 19 x Skunk #1! Looking at the pictures the upper right two plants are both dominantly showing white pistols. When I say dominant I mean they're up and down the stem and top new growth of which the longest of them is about a half inch. From my research Haze19xSkunk#1 is not an auto flowering strain, are these plants still able to be cloned from doing this obvious of sexing? The other plants have not identified their sex as of yet.

The Papaya on the other hand I believe are the upper left two (real papaya) they are tall but not by comparison of the other plants (since you can barely see them, lol). The front left two plants were from the Papaya seeds however they do not resemble any Papaya plant I've seen by researching the strain online. Not sure what to make of that but I'll stay the course and clone from them none the less.. Very likely they will not remain mothers but instead the upper left two only since they actually look like real Papaya plants (if female).

I am ready to start cutting clones and have a few questions but I will place that in the General Marijuana Growing section to keep this archive clean. After they're cloned and rooted I'll continue the journal with their progress after that as to not include a journal on cloning.

On with the pictures... (Pictures taken Saturday afternoon the 20th)
 

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Sup Caddy! looks good man. You can clone them plants even during early stages of flowering. I'd say you'd have no problems as long as you get a good size cut. One thing I would do is some pruning of the leaves on bottom not getting any light any ways. What you gonna clone with?
 
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onthedl0008 said:
very nice sir.
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As always, thanks!

caddyluck said:
Sup Caddy! looks good man. You can clone them plants even during early stages of flowering. I'd say you'd have no problems as long as you get a good size cut. One thing I would do is some pruning of the leaves on bottom not getting any light any ways. What you gonna clone with?
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Ok great, just wanted to be sure. The pistols are just flying out of those back two. As for pruning I'm still learning on the best places to and not to do it so I don't cut off too many food factory fan leaves for the plant.. have any links I can digest? As for cloning I'll be employing the Al B. Fuct style with a tray and heat mat.. just keeping it simple for now. Once I put the shelf back in that cabinet i'll be cloning in the top half of it which is approximately 11 inches total I can set the tray w/ dome & mat on.

The remaining growing plants will then move to the flowering room once I make those cuts, then the strongest of each strain will become a mother and go in 5 gallon buckets in the bottom half of the cabinet where the tub is now to save on height... then i'll top the mothers and begin flowering the rooted clones from the first batch of cuts. Once the mothers grow up a little from being topped they'll get flowered and a clone will replace each.. From there the perpetual engine will be in motion.
 
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This really sounds like a ? for OLD. But I can give a little advice on this. I dont prune my plants per say but i do use the lollipop method i guess as described by AL. In the first week or 2 of flower i take the bottom stems and fan leaves off my plants to create more room in the tubs as well as to help focus the plants energy on the top cola.The lower branches arent going to bring much sir. It keeps the tubs nice and clean and much more manageable this way. OLD once described this to me tho and al does in one of his threads give full explanation of why this technique is so nice.

I do have a question for u sir. Are u using salts?Ive never had to place salts in my tubs and am kinda sketchy on this but i am going to be pushing my limits a little harder with my flower nutes i guess.U know anything about this?
 
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onthedl0008 said:
This really sounds like a ? for OLD. But I can give a little advice on this. I dont prune my plants per say but i do use the lollipop method i guess as described by AL. In the first week or 2 of flower i take the bottom stems and fan leaves off my plants to create more room in the tubs as well as to help focus the plants energy on the top cola.The lower branches arent going to bring much sir. It keeps the tubs nice and clean and much more manageable this way. OLD once described this to me tho and al does in one of his threads give full explanation of why this technique is so nice.

I do have a question for u sir. Are u using salts?Ive never had to place salts in my tubs and am kinda sketchy on this but i am going to be pushing my limits a little harder with my flower nutes i guess.U know anything about this?
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Yes I fully intend to lollypop at flowering. As far as pruning that is what I have been diligently researching and writing notes on. I want to prune only so its the most effective at light distribution before I lollypoop in flowering. I learned a lesson with how they crowed themselves in these containers. Mothers will ONLY be in 5 gallon buckets. I have an absolute rats nest of tangled roots with these monsters already, separating them is not an option. Once I get the clones rooted two of them will replace and become mothers, the mothers now will get flowered and from there I'll be able to get the rotational system of cuttings to flowering down.. By the time my mothers and other 10 clones flower the new clone mothers will be grown ready for clipping in that 6-8 weeks. I will be flowering in two 30 gallon tubs with 10 sites in each using 3.5" net pots allowing up to 20 plants at one time. I think i've learned some good tricks and can control their crowding once i lollypop and prune, it was just the whole vegetative state that kind of got out of control.. for now anyway. Clones get cut this friday so that'll narrow that big fat bush down in the closet, lol.

From what I understand reading Al B. & Old in The Way the lollypopping will allow for more air movement and reduce resin production and work to places only non-dense popcorn buds will be produced. I'll take care of the lollypopping once my other two 30 gallon tubs are setup in my flowering area (next week) when they head to that room. Should be exciting, things are progessing quite nicely to say the least.

As for salts- no I haven't had any experience with them or any reason to that I'm aware of as of yet.
 
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onthedl0008

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Yea man ur row is coming along very nice indeed.
our grows are very similar.my moms have outgrown there veg spot. i was able to get 2 sets off of her and for now im only going to go with 2 tubs but keep 2 clones to mom from and throw my 2 moms in with the second batch so they will be ready for harvest with the second batch.theres no doubt in my mind that i will prolly even have to cut and scrap a few times before the new clones are ready to be batched as well.
ur grow is very well coordinated respects for that.ive been debating on rotating my moms as u have but its been decided sir.
In veg i dont worry to much about pruning. i do chop off the leaves that over crowd or get stuck to one another tho.i have not had any problem with this. i dont chop stems in veg tho.i tie those up to the main stalk away from the others.
im really looking forward to seeing ur grow thru sir.
what are the temps in ur res's caddy?
what kind of ppms are u pushing during veg?
 
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At this point I'm one day into week 7. On 12/25 I took 27 clones from the plants. Most gave up 3 each but a few got 4 taken from each plant.

Two of the 10 total plants were cut down due to being runts (one from each double plant net pot) go figure ;) - I will not double up in net pots again moving forward with future grows.

I have a hydro farm heat mat & tray setup using 2x2 rockwool cubes as my medium. The temperature and humidity is close to that of Al B. Fuct recommendations using both Rootone powder and Clone X on others as a controlled test in the same environment for all of them.

My flowering room has been setup and is awaiting its first batch of clones to begin 12/12. I do know for a fact that 8 out of those 27 cuttings are female, now to just hope those 8 root for flower. The rest I guess we'll find out what they are, no other signs of pre-sexing available for me to report on the 6.

Next update will involve rooting pictures and flowering beginning.

Hope everyone had a great holiday.
 
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Here I am at the end of week 7.. I've cut two plants down due to being runts leaving me with 8. I can confirm 3 of which now are female (all 3 are haze19xskunk#1 so far).

On 12/25 I took 27 cuttings of which 4 died, I took another 4 from various plants to replace them a few days ago. I've not seen any direct signs of rooting on the 12/25 batch but they are green and growing in foliage ever so slightly.. no yellowing or other wilting to report. I DO however notice some of them are growing very odd and in a crooked manner as if some serious LST was being done on them ;) There isn't too much crowding in my tray so I don't know what to relate that to, yet.

Newest Update

Last night the 8 plants that 27 cuttings were taken from have gone into the flower room. The vented 1000w HPS is now firing on 12/12, their light will be given from 9 p.m -> 9 a.m daily.

I hope to have a handful of these cuttings survive so a few can turn into mothers of each strain while allowing me to flower off the remaining non-mothers.

I'll be reporting on both the cuttings, mothers & flower in the journal moving forawrd.

We hope you all had a safe and fun New Year!
 
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onthedl0008

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Sounds good caddy.. Any pic updates? R u using olds method of cloning?
Cant wait to see these things under 1000k.
I wish i had the room for bigger tubs and more wattage man.
Its gonna be fun to see this.
Anyways hope ur new year is better than ever sir grow on.
 
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