Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

Bob Smith said:

Don, pretty much what Knickers said.

One of my humidity domes fits flush on the tray and one doesn't (they haven't been treated that well since I got an EZ Cloner), so I spray that tray every day for a minute to keep humidity up.

If you didn't want to use a humidity dome, go with a bubble cloner or an EZ Clone - faster roots and no need for a humidity dome (assuming you don't fry them like I did with my EZ Cloner).

I did a step by step bubble cloner post all the way back at the beginnning - I wanna say post #41 or somewhere around there.

EDIT: Actually post #47

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Hey BOB and others thanks very much +rep Hey what is your temps in the room? I keep mine between 80-83F ppl say thats to warm for aeroponic cloning or for cloning period they say they def will die at those temps is that true? Ive been trouble shooting this for months switch to all types of cloning methods I know im doing everything right now I think its def the temps what you guys think? Bob your doing an awesome job too I always read your thread and always learn alot I might not say much but Im def getting alot of info so keep up the good work Thanks.

Not sure what the temps in the room are right now because it's still being built - just finished the ceiling.

Planning on running 80/72, somewhere around there - maybe a little warmer during the day, but I need to get everything setup and operating to see what I'm working with.

Yes, without a chiller 80-83F is too hot - those are basically the temps that I was running, and my first batch of clones in the EZ Cloner got fucking roasted by them - the water temp is gonna be even higher because of the heat from the pump.

I bought a 1/15th HP chiller to use in conjunction with it - should be able to keep temps somewhere in the 70-75F range pretty easily, methinks (but again, nothing's guaranteed so I need to get it all setup and see what I'm working with).

Anyways, good luck and thanks for the kind words.

BOB, your the best! Yeah I heard its a real good thing to get a chiller ppl say its so expensive tho, Anyways, good luck and thanks for the help.

I bought both of mine last week off of Craigslist - there's always people with aquariums who are moving and need to unload their stuff.

Just make sure to thoroughly wash it out before exposing your plants to it.

Another thing - I also bought a short cycle timer to run 15 seconds on/45 off, and that's gonna be pretty key for dealing with temps, methinks - those LP Aero pumps (mag drive kind) sure do use a lot of watts and produce a lot of heat - if you haven't already, I'd definitely recommend putting your pump on a timer.

Bob Smith said:

I bought both of mine last week off of Craigslist - there's always people with aquariums who are moving and need to unload their stuff.

Just make sure to thoroughly wash it out before exposing your plants to it.

Another thing - I also bought a short cycle timer to run 15 seconds on/45 off, and that's gonna be pretty key for dealing with temps, methinks - those LP Aero pumps (mag drive kind) sure do use a lot of watts and produce a lot of heat - if you haven't already, I'd definitely recommend putting your pump on a timer.

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Hey what is the exact name of those chillers you found on Craigslist so I can do a search on that.Yeah I have my mothers in aeroponics the timer is on 15min on 15min off do you think that is ok? They look fine now no problems but someone said to do less time off cuz its aeroponic and it need more water.What you think?

Hope you dont mind bob ,but could you give me a little help here


Aright room..
Just finished making my first piece of hash using the bubble bags and ice method.Took ages as i had only arm power to work with , say 1hr plus mixing. Whats the best way to dry it out? Does it look any good? whats it supposed to smell like?

last pic shows the three diff layers i got, i used the 5 bag one but didnt use the catcher . (didnt see the instructions till to late) only 1-4.
3-2-1 in that order ,1 was the largest , 3 the smallest..

Seems like the way you have it right now is a decent way to dry it out, IMHO.

Looks perfectly fine to me - nice work.

It's supposed to smell like hash - you've smelled hash before, I assume?

BTW, for those interested - gonna finish up the garage door tomorrow morning and then panda, then start setting up my appliances (dehumidifer, AC, etc.). Will post pics tomorrow.

Put a question mark afterwards because it's not the worst problem to have, but one tray of the clones (72 of the 144) are fully rooted - the other tray is lagging behind because the dome didn't fit as well and it didn't stay as humid, but I'm pretty sure they'll be ready in a few days as well.

Of course, seeing as how they need to go into the octagon when they leave the humidity dome, that's a bit of an issue because the octagon isn't finished (even really started) yet.

But hung some panda today (the worst invention in the world, fucking hate that shit and just gave up on trying to panda the ceiling) and am gonna start installing the AC, dehumidifier, etc. tomorrow.

Also just cut some PVC and started fucking around with the octagon - the actual building of it should be cake, and I am aiming to have it up and running by Tuesday.

Thinking I'm gonna buy a 96 gallon professional grade trash can from Home Depot for my reservoir.............lotsa shit to do still, kinda freaking out a bit because I didn't anticipate the clones getting done ahead of schedule.

Also taking a vacation to Europe from October 16th to the 25th, so that's gonna be interesting leaving a brand new system alone for 10 days while they do the 12/12 stretch...........yikes.

Enough talk, here's a shitload of pics:

Hey is you cloneing kit homemade or you bought it? Can I see a pic if possible so I can copy that cuz thats about the amount I want to clone. 144

The first pic is my $550 ($350 + $200 chiller) cloning solution which holds 120 cuttings and I will use going forward.

The next two pics are two trays with 72 Jiffy Pellets each. Cost about $10 all-in.

Bought 16 22.5 degree PVC fittings and am going to return the 8 45 degree fittings I bought - now it's not going to be an octagon, it's going to be a sixteen-agon - a much better shape all around, but more expensive as well.

Mounted the Sentinel but haven't hooked anything up to it yet (or even made sure it's fully operable, but it should be); fully installed the AC, tested it, it's working; just about finished installing the CO2 generator (after three trips to Home Depot for parts), but need to make a fourth trip for a 1/2" female threaded thingy so I'm gonna hold off til tomorrow for that.

Actually ran the water for a second, testing the pressure after going through the 50' non-kink hose and then running through the 50' cool coil - came out fine (plenty of pressure) even after flowing through 100' total, so I'm pretty stoked on that.

Stupidly put the CO2 generator right over an outlet, so I'm gonna see how watertight it is tomorrow and possibly move it if I'm worried about leaks, but there's not a lot of room to move it to, so I think I'll make do.

Gonna start construction of the base of the octagon either tonight (doubtful, as my girl is feeling plenty neglected these days) or tomorrow.

Any questions/comments about the pics, just ask/say.

Looks like your going to have a hell of a set up Im stoked for you on that. Hey Im looking for a portable ac unit now, Im having trouble with my temps thats why I wasnt cloning to good in aeroponic were did you get that from I checked all over on Craigslist for it? Thanks and looking good.

I ordered mine off of the Internet, but that's because I was very particular about what I wanted - needed to be 14K BTUs, dual hose, and have an auto-restart function so it could work in conjunction with my Sentinel CHHC-1.

If you just need any old portable, I'd think craigslist would be your best bet.

Oh, and I realized when I came inside that I forgot to attach the electric solenoid inline with the CO2 water line, so it's a good thing I'm not finished setting it up yet.

EDIT: but if you're ONLY lowering temps so your aero cloner can work better, I'd recommend getting a chiller instead. Again, that's assuming your temps are fine for everything else.

Bob Smith said:

I ordered mine off of the Internet, but that's because I was very particular about what I wanted - needed to be 14K BTUs, dual hose, and have an auto-restart function so it could work in conjunction with my Sentinel CHHC-1.

If you just need any old portable, I'd think craigslist would be your best bet.

Oh, and I realized when I came inside that I forgot to attach the electric solenoid inline with the CO2 water line, so it's a good thing I'm not finished setting it up yet.

EDIT: but if you're ONLY lowering temps so your aero cloner can work better, I'd recommend getting a chiller instead. Again, that's assuming your temps are fine for everything else.

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Thats a good idea thanks for that.

So, spent hours and hours trying to get the Marey up and running............and it wasn't working because the fucking batteries were in the wrong way.

Can't make this shit up.

Anyways, went to Home Depot and bought proper fittings for it, so it's all legit now (see video for a demo).

Also started work on the sixteen-agon - gonna have the base finished by tonight, then it's just plopping the columns in it and doing the watering system.

Shooting for Thursday completion, but Friday or Saturday is probably more realistic because of having to source all these wyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWTX5CqEALw

All right, so here's where we're at - mounted ballasts, hung bulbs/moguls, and they're on right now.

Was having some issues with my surge protector that I originally attributed to the dual arc bulbs, so I'm gonna try them again later and see if I can get them to work better for me.

Anyways, all four are on and rocking right now - turned them on at five, and they're running with the CO2 and AC on as well - trying to get a feeling for how well (or more likely poorly) the AC can handle that heat load.

Remember, there aren't any chillers or my 600 watt veg tent in there yet - that being said, it's also unseasonably warm and humid today, and I would be running the lights at night, so I guess we can call that a
"push".

Anyways, here's some pics:

Well, kinda disappointed, but also taking it for what it's worth - when I went in there after 100 minutes of everything running, the Sentinel said 92, but that's right near the lights with no fans in the room.

The AC said 75, which is about five feet away from the Sentinel.

Definitely not pleased about that first reading, but not gonna cry, either - figure you average the two out and you're at 83 with some decent air flow.

An option could be to cool tube the lights, but with how big I'm building the pentadecagon (I really can't say that word enough), I kinda need all the lighting I can get - if I go to cooltubes, I think I'll go with 3 1Ks.

I'd also run them on a closed loop, with intake air from the crawlspace and then exhausting into the "empty" garage, so no CO2 or smell would get exhausted with them (in theory).

Holy fucking shit.

Fuck yeah Bob. This is the progress I['ve been looking forward to. I mush have mist the part where you went with the Hydrogen Pro over that weird heater thing you were originally doing. I thought when you mentioned hydrogen earlier it was just a typo. Cant wait to see that octogon sitting in the middle of there. This has been your best build yet, I got a good feeling about it. So glad you didnt give up after all the shit you have had go wrong in the past. Way to show the universe who's boss.

Integra21 said:

Fuck yeah Bob. This is the progress I['ve been looking forward to. I mush have mist the part where you went with the Hydrogen Pro over that weird heater thing you were originally doing. I thought when you mentioned hydrogen earlier it was just a typo. Cant wait to see that octogon sitting in the middle of there. This has been your best build yet, I got a good feeling about it. So glad you didnt give up after all the shit you have had go wrong in the past. Way to show the universe who's boss.

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Very kind of you, friend - this post made my day

As far as the CO2 generator, it is a Marey Tankless Hot Water heater - it's just an "unbranded" Hydrogen - 100% identical.

I still would've paid the extra $50 for a Hydrogen just to "support the cause" or whatever, but they stopped making a natural gas model, so I had to go with the Marey.

It's funny, felt confident about the AC and was worried about the CO2, but the CO2 is working MARVELOUSLY (it's really, really cool) and the AC seems to be struggling.

Again, there are no fans in there so I don't totally trust the readouts, but I'm already going back to the drawing board with other cooling ideas - that 300 gallon reservoir in the crawlspace hooked up to some Ice Boxes might become a reality sooner rather than later.

Fuck it - balls to the wall.

Hey Bob,
Awesome progress!