BTT 2nd Grow Bagseed Soil
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btt
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Due to the problems I am facing at the moment I put away the HPS to save on electricity and save for a later date.
I have had the HPS on for about a month now, and have nothing to show for it.
I am starting the plants on 24/7 light cycle with the CFL's.
I took them out of the rubbermaid and have them set up on a desk.. Room smelled like paint so I want to air out the container better before they go back in... Think this might have hurt them, but according to the new seedlings they look great!
The ones in the hempy that are 13 days old are slowing down.. Not sure what the problem is.. Really frustrating. That's why I am using CFL's to figure out what hell is going on. The last thing it could be is the tap water. I let it sit out for at least 3-5 days. But the ppm is only around 174 out of the tap..
Hopefully I can get it figured out.
All the original seedlings/plants are out and I am only working on the new/newer ones. Now if only I could find something to do with this used soil.. Hmmmm
Keep the motivation coming guys and/or tips suggestions.. I am trying to work this thing out..
I have had the HPS on for about a month now, and have nothing to show for it.
I am starting the plants on 24/7 light cycle with the CFL's.
I took them out of the rubbermaid and have them set up on a desk.. Room smelled like paint so I want to air out the container better before they go back in... Think this might have hurt them, but according to the new seedlings they look great!
The ones in the hempy that are 13 days old are slowing down.. Not sure what the problem is.. Really frustrating. That's why I am using CFL's to figure out what hell is going on. The last thing it could be is the tap water. I let it sit out for at least 3-5 days. But the ppm is only around 174 out of the tap..
Hopefully I can get it figured out.
All the original seedlings/plants are out and I am only working on the new/newer ones. Now if only I could find something to do with this used soil.. Hmmmm
Keep the motivation coming guys and/or tips suggestions.. I am trying to work this thing out..
born2killspam
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Firstly, are you familiar with the weight of the pots when they are bone dry?? If not, get to know that because its an excellent indication of when to water.. Aside from going from near dry to saturated, plants don't really like instant extreme changes..
I'll say it again.. You were trying too hard.. Give them what they need to grow up, and just let them do that.. DO NOT think that you can make them grow faster by giving them more than they need.. Its alot like parenting really.. You have read the FAQ right??
I think they'll like your desk, how far are the cfl's above?? By all means knock yourself out with the reflectives when using cfl's..
One thing I'm forgetting is your nutrients.. You'll need a hydroponic formulation that provides ALL the micros, many of which are in soil.. For plant health, a big one rarely talked about is silicon.. Dirt really does carry some advantages and simplicity, but I'm not saying you gotta jump ship again, I'm just saying.. I started with hydro, and matured into soil.. Things go bad in soil-less mediums alot faster, and I really do prefer bud grown in soil since no hydroponic formulation I've seen has everything they want.. On that note, remember you are doing hydro now.. Your taget pH is now ~5.5 because there are no beneficial microbes to drop the pH right at the roots like they do in soil.. (Basically soil and hydro both work best ~pH 5.5, but stuff in soil tend to drop the measured pH by a point or so where its impossible to measure)..
Oh and alot of root growth apparently occurs in darkness.. What made you decide to go 24/7?? Not that its a terrible thing or anything, especially since you really dropped the intensity.. A big factor not alot of ppl realize, is plants can only use so many photons/day.. Now that you're giving them less, it kinda makes sense to provide them longer..
Lastly for the moment, cleanliness is important.. I was constantly scrubbing my area down with a 5% bleach solution.. If you don't want tougher problems than you've faced already, then don't let them catch an infection/infestation.. Might not be a bad idea to cover whatever perlite you can to protect it from light.. You want your light growing your plants, not algae or other crap..
I'll say it again.. You were trying too hard.. Give them what they need to grow up, and just let them do that.. DO NOT think that you can make them grow faster by giving them more than they need.. Its alot like parenting really.. You have read the FAQ right??
I think they'll like your desk, how far are the cfl's above?? By all means knock yourself out with the reflectives when using cfl's..
One thing I'm forgetting is your nutrients.. You'll need a hydroponic formulation that provides ALL the micros, many of which are in soil.. For plant health, a big one rarely talked about is silicon.. Dirt really does carry some advantages and simplicity, but I'm not saying you gotta jump ship again, I'm just saying.. I started with hydro, and matured into soil.. Things go bad in soil-less mediums alot faster, and I really do prefer bud grown in soil since no hydroponic formulation I've seen has everything they want.. On that note, remember you are doing hydro now.. Your taget pH is now ~5.5 because there are no beneficial microbes to drop the pH right at the roots like they do in soil.. (Basically soil and hydro both work best ~pH 5.5, but stuff in soil tend to drop the measured pH by a point or so where its impossible to measure)..
Oh and alot of root growth apparently occurs in darkness.. What made you decide to go 24/7?? Not that its a terrible thing or anything, especially since you really dropped the intensity.. A big factor not alot of ppl realize, is plants can only use so many photons/day.. Now that you're giving them less, it kinda makes sense to provide them longer..
Lastly for the moment, cleanliness is important.. I was constantly scrubbing my area down with a 5% bleach solution.. If you don't want tougher problems than you've faced already, then don't let them catch an infection/infestation.. Might not be a bad idea to cover whatever perlite you can to protect it from light.. You want your light growing your plants, not algae or other crap..
Mammath
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Hey BTT just chiming in mate.
I've read through your journal and there's a few things I've noticed.
I don't know the dimensions of that closet but it only looks like 3-4sqft.
A 600w is gonna pump out 90000 lumens.
That equates to about 20K+ lumens per sqft.
Too much...10000 per sqft is perfect.
I would of had that 600w at 4' above seedlings, no closer.
You should really be operating with a 400 or 250 in that space.
You have a lot of vert' so make the most of it when running all those lumens.
With that many lumens you don't need reflection either.
Good move getting rid of the mylar, you don't need it.
Also never have a fan pointing down onto the plants, your just blasting heat from the lamp onto them.
Having your fan on the floor was a good suggestion.
Other than that, your main problem is overwatering.
Like borntokill says you need to learn to judge the weight of your pots.
When they're light to lift, thats when you water.
I mean really light like they are when they're dry.
Now that your under cfls they will use less water so be carefull.
Your seedlings may only need watering every 10 days or so to begin with.
When I put my seedlings into the pots from germing, I water them in and then don't water for 2 weeks sometimes.
Let them grow strong roots as they search for water.
As borntokill says your trying to hard and killing them with kindness.
MJ is a weed and will grow quite well with little care and attention.
Plants take ages to come back from moisture stress, weeks in fact.
Keep at it bro, you'll get there.
No more water for a while OK?
I really want to see them back under that HPS at some stage soon
I've read through your journal and there's a few things I've noticed.
I don't know the dimensions of that closet but it only looks like 3-4sqft.
A 600w is gonna pump out 90000 lumens.
That equates to about 20K+ lumens per sqft.
Too much...10000 per sqft is perfect.
I would of had that 600w at 4' above seedlings, no closer.
You should really be operating with a 400 or 250 in that space.
You have a lot of vert' so make the most of it when running all those lumens.
With that many lumens you don't need reflection either.
Good move getting rid of the mylar, you don't need it.
Also never have a fan pointing down onto the plants, your just blasting heat from the lamp onto them.
Having your fan on the floor was a good suggestion.
Other than that, your main problem is overwatering.
Like borntokill says you need to learn to judge the weight of your pots.
When they're light to lift, thats when you water.
I mean really light like they are when they're dry.
Now that your under cfls they will use less water so be carefull.
Your seedlings may only need watering every 10 days or so to begin with.
When I put my seedlings into the pots from germing, I water them in and then don't water for 2 weeks sometimes.
Let them grow strong roots as they search for water.
As borntokill says your trying to hard and killing them with kindness.
MJ is a weed and will grow quite well with little care and attention.
Plants take ages to come back from moisture stress, weeks in fact.
Keep at it bro, you'll get there.
No more water for a while OK?
I really want to see them back under that HPS at some stage soon
born2killspam
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Yes, freakishly light-weight usually..
LimitedTimer
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Whats goin on in your room man...19 days from seed and they are only starting their 2nd set of real leaves?
i'm no pro but it def looks like they are suffocated or something , no math adds up to me..most your plants look the same as they did , Plus whats with your good ones turning yellow already thats crazy , never seen that before... You nuting them? or anything? Tap water? it might even be your over watering them, something is stunting their growth! someone else maybe need to chime in that actually knows whats going on
i'm no pro but it def looks like they are suffocated or something , no math adds up to me..most your plants look the same as they did , Plus whats with your good ones turning yellow already thats crazy , never seen that before... You nuting them? or anything? Tap water? it might even be your over watering them, something is stunting their growth! someone else maybe need to chime in that actually knows whats going on
btt
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Ok. Looks like I have a few issues. Some look like hot spots, other a lil over-fert.. not sure what else..
These pics are some of the newest ones at 11 days old now. These are the best looking and biggest..
And here they are rearranged so they are about 2-3" from the bulbs.
These pics are some of the newest ones at 11 days old now. These are the best looking and biggest..
And here they are rearranged so they are about 2-3" from the bulbs.
Mammath
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Looking a bit better BT.
Green growth in the centre is good.
If your misting them, don't.
Let the roots find the water.
When you do water make sure you get some good run-off out the bottom of your cups.
Those white papery light green leaves are the remains of over watering symptoms.
Once they fully recover and your watering schedule gets on track they'll kick on.
Green growth in the centre is good.
If your misting them, don't.
Let the roots find the water.
When you do water make sure you get some good run-off out the bottom of your cups.
Those white papery light green leaves are the remains of over watering symptoms.
Once they fully recover and your watering schedule gets on track they'll kick on.
Mammath
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Yeah I think the ones in the soil look like there too acidic.
Or it could all be just over watering.
You can test the PH of the soil with one of those cheap kits then you'll know for sure.
With the cupping of those leaves and stunted growth I'd say they're all still moisture stressed mate.
Superthrive certainly won't hurt them in small doses as long as it's time to water.
I would be thinking of transplanting into bigger pots soon and this will help give the roots some new ground to grow in.
What was your next stage going to be from these little cups?
Or it could all be just over watering.
You can test the PH of the soil with one of those cheap kits then you'll know for sure.
With the cupping of those leaves and stunted growth I'd say they're all still moisture stressed mate.
Superthrive certainly won't hurt them in small doses as long as it's time to water.
I would be thinking of transplanting into bigger pots soon and this will help give the roots some new ground to grow in.
What was your next stage going to be from these little cups?
btt
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I was planning on bogging them into a bigger container such as a milk jug or just a bigger pot. I will be moving the grow soon so I want to leave them in the red cups for another 2 weeks or so until I can get set up at the new location.
I then hope to get the HPS set back up again in a tent or closet and put them under the HPS.
I then hope to get the HPS set back up again in a tent or closet and put them under the HPS.
OutdoIndo
Active Member
looks too hot to me, or too much nitrogen. what's the temp/humidity at plant level? plus cut down on the watering, skip every 3rd day for a while, u don't want to drown them. U do have drainage holes in the cups right? U might try this: Dry them out for 24 hours, poke holes, if u didn't already and flush them hard every other day for 6 days. then skip watering every 3 days.
