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ever thought of puting a fan on the floor of your room blowing straight up into your cooltube? another way i cooled my room down was to duct my intake to pull near my AC to my apartment.

now it never goes over 81.... but 88 isnt that high for pot plants if you ask me... 90+ is when its dangerous , i think your lighting was your problem more then anything... keep it up starting problems are a bitch to deal with .

yea dude get a couple fans outside the closet blowing cool air in from the room outside, try and point one up to where it would be hitting the light with some cool air..thats how i had my closet set up. Also it looks like those burns are from either water or nutes that the light evaporated, making those little burn spots...dont spray them with anything unless its right after the light cycle or during the dark...my drip rings did that to my seedlings, when i covered the rings there was no more splashing and no more burns

Yea, thing is I haven't sprayed these with anything and don't plan on it. Those burns happened after I put mylar on the floor, and the light at 2ft. There was no watering that day, came home later that night to discover the burns.

I could get another fan to blow cool air into the room, but I like to keep it closed to keep the light in. Because if the door is open, there is a ring of light around the bedroom door that the closet is in..

I might take my osc. fan off the wall and put it on the floor blowing up and see how that works today.

Thx for help Wiz and Timer!

yah stealth growing and light leaking out is a hard problem to do with.

Yes you don't need high temps to burn seedlings.. Intensity and hotspots from bad reflecting is enough, and often the reason fans help is they move the seedling around through those hotspots.. Its way smarter to start the lights way too high and work down than the other way around..

They look ok today. Some are starting to stretch a tad bit. Going to see how they look tomorrow, maybe lower the light 2" or so..

Watered all of them this morning except the 4 hempy. Hempy got watered 2 days ago.. The hempy are out growing the ones in soil. They have bigger leaves, and they are a full leaf set ahead of the soil.

hempy? just being perlite in the cup?

Yes, just perlite in a cup. I put the seed inside a jump starter that was soaked in water, then put that in perlite.

I started germing more seeds the other day..

10 of them started tap root and went into cups of perlite today. Trying to make up for all the ones I burned with the light..

Pics tom.

i completely agree with born to kill...the light intensity is to much for the little guys...if i were u i would take the mylar down for now...that would probably allow you to lower the light a bit...then put the mylar back up when they are more developed

sucks that you can leave the door open to get some fans blowin fresh air in there...i just kept my door open the whole grow, and i dont think i woulda been succesful without it...but i had 1000 watt hps so the heat issue was even harder to tackle...good luck man.

This morning I pulled off all the mylar. Tried to take it off so I could reuse it, but it had duct tape everywhere, and nails... So I ended up just ripping it off. It created more of a hassle than it did good. So hopefully it will bring my temps down a lil bit, and no more burning of the plants! I probably won't put any back up in the future anyways since it was such a problem.

Of the 10 new seeds I put in perlite, 5 have broken the surface.

I really don't know what it is... I look at my plants, then I look at others on here and they are 2-3x the size around the same age. It's really frustrating. I feel like I'm doing this for nothing because I'm not getting anywhere.. I just want to turn off the light and say fuck it and give up. But I'm gonna keep on going. It shouldn't be this hard. I just feel I'm running this light, fans, for nothing. Just buring up electricity.

I'm also having a hard time with this watering thing.. I seem to keep overwatering.. I'm just gonna wait till I see them ask for it. It's all I can do now. Even one of them in the 100% perlite is showing signs of overwatering. And it's been 3 days since it was watered.

I will post new pics tom.

Wish me luck. I sure do need it.

KEEP ON TRUCKIN MAN, im having the same doubts but we can do et!

Heres the thing.. You're trying too hard.. Seriously if you were to make a big bed of dirt, saturate it, plant seeds, put a couple cfl's in there 6-8" above soil and go away for a week, when you came back you'd be shocked at the progress.. You cannot rush this, you cannot enhance this.. The goal is to replicate nature, not surpass it..
Think about it, naturally in nature seedlings typically have obstacles to overcome before they can beat out grasses and perenials for full sunlight.. They sit down in a shaded humid area fighting like hell to stretch far enough so they can reach full sunight and beef themselves up.. They carry an enormous amount of nutrient reserves in their cotyledons (seedling leaves), and when those are depleted they can choose their growth rate based on nutrient/water/light availability, and can adjust accordingly to pretty much any natural gradual change and any moderate instantaneous change nature can facilitate.. It is worth noting though that cannabis evolved in areas where they could face extremely high temps early season, granted those would typically be coupled with high humidity.. The biggest challenge we face is actually buffering changes as well as nature does.. A potted plant faces much more drastic shifts than the ground itself.. And don't even get me started on the shitty buffering capacity of hydroponics.. Its pretty damned impressive that plants can handle spontaneous addition of >1000ppm NPK, base100 magnitude orders of pH shift in a single day, the drastic water depletion rate, and for that matter instantaneous shifts in lighting, but they do.. Perhaps thats the problem.. Because plants can handle such perversions of nature, its difficult, (but still necessary) to draw a line..

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This morning I pulled off all the mylar. Tried to take it off so I could reuse it, but it had duct tape everywhere, and nails... So I ended up just ripping it off. It created more of a hassle than it did good. So hopefully it will bring my temps down a lil bit, and no more burning of the plants! I probably won't put any back up in the future anyways since it was such a problem.

Of the 10 new seeds I put in perlite, 5 have broken the surface.

I really don't know what it is... I look at my plants, then I look at others on here and they are 2-3x the size around the same age. It's really frustrating. I feel like I'm doing this for nothing because I'm not getting anywhere.. I just want to turn off the light and say fuck it and give up. But I'm gonna keep on going. It shouldn't be this hard. I just feel I'm running this light, fans, for nothing. Just buring up electricity.

I'm also having a hard time with this watering thing.. I seem to keep overwatering.. I'm just gonna wait till I see them ask for it. It's all I can do now. Even one of them in the 100% perlite is showing signs of overwatering. And it's been 3 days since it was watered.

I will post new pics tom.

Wish me luck. I sure do need it.

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Hey man, just read through your journal. It seems like you have a wicked setup, its crazy that your seedlings aren't doing good. Don't give up, it'll be worth it when you get plants flowering under that 600w, they'll be huge.

Could you try maybe putting a few plants on a window sill or something like that? That way they could grow a bit before being put under all the lumens being pumped out by your light. I was afraid of putting my 42w cfls on my seedlings until they had their first full set of leaves. I used two 23w cfls to get them started.

Best of luck, hope your plants are doing good

OK. Stealth Mode.

Tore down the closet, put everything away until a later date.

All new seedlings are in a Rubbermaid with 3 27w 5500K CFLs. Total of 81w.

4.7" CPU fan for exhaust (73 cfm) with passive 3x3" intake.

Sprayed black primer, then flat white.

Still kinda smells like paint.. But it is def. dry. Only sprayed one coat of primer and one coat of flat white. Let it dry for about 6hrs.

Here we are now:










And here is the same overwatered plant as pictured before.. Not looking good at all. Maybe stressed from something else. It was bone dry today gave it a little bit of water.



All other new seedlings in perlite got water today as well. Ones in soil are still moist a few inches down.

Lets see how this goes...

Also, lights are still on same cycle 18/6. Thinking of going to 24/7 in the next few days. Want to let them get settled in their new home before upping the hrs of lighting.

Exhaust is running 24/7.

what happened to the hps

Ooh Stealthy.. Word of advice, a carboard box works much better for small plant sustainment.. Thats a nice socket splitter though..

Cardboard box?

FIRE?

In every effort I've taken to ignite stuff with cfl's I have failed.. Even shredding up the surface and applying the light directly and insulating it.. The cfl dies pretty quickly too if brutally overheated.. And besides cardboard is no more flammable than a charred plant, and I'd rather have a cardboard fire than a plastic one.. But the same principle applies as with HID, your setup is only as safe as the way you set it up..