Atheism

shnkrmn

shnkrmn

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It's not unreasonable to want those who wish to impose their worldview on EVERYONE to cease trying to do so. The problem with people of faith is they try to use their collective numbers and institutions to dictate to the rest of us. We can be regularly damned to the fiery pit but should we push back against the believers we are damned for being anti-christian and therefore somehow bigoted in some fashion. Really, it's just pure self-defense. Apparently religious folk can organize into churches and use all sorts of militaristic, expansionist imagery (Onward, Christian Soldiers, missionaries 'fighting for unsaved souls, threaten unbelievers with the fiery flames, etc), but if atheists try to gather support for their point of view, rent a billboard, hold a rally, it's considered an attack against religion (and country, in the good ole USA).

You seem to think that no harm can ensue from everyone thinking just as they wish and acting accordingly, and our society supposedly enshrines that as a individual right. Perhaps you are right. But organizations and institutions are another thing, ; they are much more powerful than individuals and create a monolithic belief system which only somewhat overlaps with the beliefs of individuals contained within them. Kind of like AARP presuming to speak for everyone over the age of 50.

There's nothing mean about pushing back against the tide of lies and myths which threatens to engulf us seculars from every side.
 
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PadawanBater

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shnkrmn said:
It's not unreasonable to want those who wish to impose their worldview on EVERYONE to cease trying to do so. The problem with people of faith is they try to use their collective numbers and institutions to dictate to the rest of us. We can be regularly damned to the fiery pit but should we push back against the believers we are damned for being anti-christian and therefore somehow bigoted in some fashion. Really, it's just pure self-defense. Apparently religious folk can organize into churches and use all sorts of militaristic, expansionist imagery (Onward, Christian Soldiers, missionaries 'fighting for unsaved souls, threaten unbelievers with the fiery flames, etc), but if atheists try to gather support for their point of view, rent a billboard, hold a rally, it's considered an attack against religion (and country, in the good ole USA).

You seem to think that no harm can ensue from everyone thinking just as they wish and acting accordingly, and our society supposedly enshrines that as a individual right. Perhaps you are right. But organizations and institutions are another thing, ; they are much more powerful than individuals and create a monolithic belief system which only somewhat overlaps with the beliefs of individuals contained within them. Kind of like AARP presuming to speak for everyone over the age of 50.

There's nothing mean about pushing back against the tide of lies and myths which threatens to engulf us seculars from every side.
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Exactly! Atheism is the defense. Couldn't agree more.
 
"SICC"

"SICC"

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you guys are just as bad as the religious people, you try and force what you think on others, but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else.

its like your trying to prove something you cant prove, the fact is no one know's if there is, or is not a god or whatever you wanna call it
 
Kushkittens

Kushkittens

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you guys are just as bad as the religious people, you try and force what you think on others, but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else.

its like your trying to prove something you cant prove, the fact is no one know's if there is, or is not a god or whatever you wanna call it
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Religious people deffinatly hold themselfs higher to others. Its not that atheists push thier beliefs on people, its just religion and its followers have been dominating the scene for years. I think there just tired of it nd want to throw another option out there for people.

but ur rite, no1 can proove nething, thats why the religious and non religious will never win the arguement, its un-winable lol
 
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PadawanBater

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[QUOTE="SICC";3600801]you guys are just as bad as the religious people, you try and force what you think on others, but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else.

its like your trying to prove something you cant prove, the fact is no one know's if there is, or is not a god or whatever you wanna call it[/QUOTE]

How are atheists trying to force anything on anyone? What is it they're trying to force? You seem to be suggesting there is some sort of atheist agenda or something...

And think about what you're really saying with this statement;

"but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else."

When the atheist is the only one saying "I don't know" and everyone else has all the answers...

No.

Belief that an all powerful creator created the entire universe for humanity... to me, that's "holding yourself above everyone else" -- and the fact almost all of them claim the moral high ground - that belief in their specific god is what makes morality possible, and without such a belief in the same god, one cannot be moral - really ices the cake...
 
Kushkittens

Kushkittens

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PadawanBater said:
How are atheists trying to force anything on anyone? What is it they're trying to force? You seem to be suggesting there is some sort of atheist agenda or something...

And think about what you're really saying with this statement;

"but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else."

When the atheist is the only one saying "I don't know" and everyone else has all the answers...

No.

Belief that an all powerful creator created the entire universe for humanity... to me, that's "holding yourself above everyone else" -- and the fact almost all of them claim the moral high ground - that belief in their specific god is what makes morality possible, and without such a belief in the same god, one cannot be moral - really ices the cake...
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Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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"You seem to be suggesting there is some sort of atheist agenda or something..."

There a number of those here that do indeed have blazing agendas that have been presented and discussed above board.

A generalized atheist agenda is as whimsical as any other disorganized religious agenda.

 
growwwww

growwwww

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[QUOTE="SICC";3600801]you guys are just as bad as the religious people, you try and force what you think on others, but its almost worse in the fact that you all hold yourselves above everyone else.

its like your trying to prove something you cant prove, the fact is no one know's if there is, or is not a god or whatever you wanna call it[/QUOTE]

Erm, most definetly not.

We are merely forcing our intolerance towards ( justified ) sexism, racism, animal torture and the conditioning of such stark ideology on young and vulnerable minds.

Im pretty sure, you look at the most absolute athiests, you look at the most absoulute religiious. Who would you truly rather be forcing what they think onto people...I truly think its clear.

About proof, well thats exactly the whole point -_-
 
growwwww

growwwww

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Woodstock.Hippie said:
"Who would you truly rather be forcing what they think onto people...I truly think its clear."

Why force things down other people's throats?
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Very true! my bad.

But it was justy an example, to say, as if, there was a forceful militant athiests/ militant religious person...

Yah man, we dont want anyshit going down anyones throats. Apart from the girlfriends...
 
growwwww

growwwww

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ahh shit, that was maybe one of the most innapropriate ways to finish a post, my bad. Sorry! that was not cool to say.
 
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PadawanBater

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This is pretty cool, Dawkins and Thunderf00t talking about sciency stuff. :)
 
Inviolate

Inviolate

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I have a question, which may or may not have been posted on this extensive thread: If a God exists and he was personal i.e. interested in our living in harmony on Earth and set everything in place for us - how would you want said deity to communicate with you such that you would have enough evidence that he/she/it exists? Would you like GOD infomercials or an angel hovering around or chains of books all in accordance with each other? At what point would you go from saying "no this is fucking insane/I'm fucking insane" to "yea that informecial convinced me, God exists." Or is there seriously no objective way of God being proven to each individual man and for man to be convinced in his own free will?
 
ThaDutchieCouple

ThaDutchieCouple

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i'm a free thinker/atheist, i really don't like to classify myself into any sect.. religion is dangerous because it makes people feel like they have all the answers when they actually know nothing and continue to misinform themselves thought out life not letting other opinions even scientific fact interfere in there dreamland existence. first of all thinking that their is a more powerful being than yourself is completely giving your power away, as most believers think god is guiding your life, what about taking the reins for yourself, god is almost like a security blanket for the weak, and those who are fearful. Letting people like this "teach" children is wrong, and should not be done at all, you need to have developed rational thinking before you introduce such nonsense presenting it as the one and only truth, then stating that if you choose to think otherwise you will spend eternity in a fiery scary place called hell. what do you except a child to do? Its obvious they will believe what their elders tell them especially if it has an consequence.. I really wouldn't bother being an atheist and taking time out of my day to type this if religion doesn't effect my life and society as a whole. Its no longer a personal belief when my government is funding things church related and not taxing them whatsoever, or trying to get abortions banned because in their eyes "god doesn't make mistakes" when it comes to creating humans. Well its a woman's right to choose whether she wants to bring a child into the world or not its her body bottom line. If i was to be pregnant at 17 by accident my choices would be carrying around a baby getting fat and dealing with all the other lovely symptoms and go through labor because its "murder" and a child is a child at conception? well to people that think that fuck you, that's not right, a baby completely changes your life and it will never be the same and not to mention money for it to have a good life, so to all you pro-lifers, you should think little harder about what your standing up for..Not to mention the fact that our population is already 6 billion and we are nearly facing a water crisis..but that's a whole other conversation..I choose to think as i do because there is far more evidence supporting it, and i don't choose to believe a set of beliefs just because of a book.

Anyone agree?:bigjoint:

S xox
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Inviolate said:
I have a question, which may or may not have been posted on this extensive thread: If a God exists and he was personal i.e. interested in our living in harmony on Earth and set everything in place for us - how would you want said deity to communicate with you such that you would have enough evidence that he/she/it exists? Would you like GOD infomercials or an angel hovering around or chains of books all in accordance with each other? At what point would you go from saying "no this is fucking insane/I'm fucking insane" to "yea that informecial convinced me, God exists." Or is there seriously no objective way of God being proven to each individual man and for man to be convinced in his own free will?
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Certainly the best way would be to send a "son" to a remote area of the planet before mass communication is invented, and then have him get killed and nobody records the event for 40 years or so, and then only one story is actually written by the ppl who were never there.

Oh wait ... that's been done. NVM...

ThaDutchieCouple said:
i'm a free thinker/atheist, i really don't like to classify myself into any sect.. religion is dangerous because it makes people feel like they have all the answers when they actually know nothing and continue to misinform themselves thought out life not letting other opinions even scientific fact interfere in there dreamland existence. first of all thinking that their is a more powerful being than yourself is completely giving your power away, as most believers think god is guiding your life, what about taking the reins for yourself, god is almost like a security blanket for the weak, and those who are fearful. Letting people like this "teach" children is wrong, and should not be done at all, you need to have developed rational thinking before you introduce such nonsense presenting it as the one and only truth, then stating that if you choose to think otherwise you will spend eternity in a fiery scary place called hell. what do you except a child to do? Its obvious they will believe what their elders tell them especially if it has an consequence.. I really wouldn't bother being an atheist and taking time out of my day to type this if religion doesn't effect my life and society as a whole. Its no longer a personal belief when my government is funding things church related and not taxing them whatsoever, or trying to get abortions banned because in their eyes "god doesn't make mistakes" when it comes to creating humans. Well its a woman's right to choose whether she wants to bring a child into the world or not its her body bottom line. If i was to be pregnant at 17 by accident my choices would be carrying around a baby getting fat and dealing with all the other lovely symptoms and go through labor because its "murder" and a child is a child at conception? well to people that think that fuck you, that's not right, a baby completely changes your life and it will never be the same and not to mention money for it to have a good life, so to all you pro-lifers, you should think little harder about what your standing up for..Not to mention the fact that our population is already 6 billion and we are nearly facing a water crisis..but that's a whole other conversation..I choose to think as i do because there is far more evidence supporting it, and i don't choose to believe a set of beliefs just because of a book.

Anyone agree?:bigjoint:

S xox
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I'm sorry, did you say something? :lol:

I agree with you. Crazy huh....
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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Which god?

Any scripture with provably false statements can be used in a process of elimination.

Once we isolate the god who doesn't, and have the parameters which describe the state of that god we go from there.

Inviolate said:
Or is there seriously no objective way of God being proven to each individual man and for man to be convinced in his own free will?
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