Apocolypse?

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
what would a dark matter bomb do to the earth... supposedly much more than any hdrogen or atom bomb... stay high
In The Forge of God Greg Bear wrote a scenario for blowing the eart up from inside. He used a pair of very dense objects ... neutronium and antineutronium, orbiting each other until they touched. Millions of tons of rest mass instantly converted to pure purple gamma. One gram of rest mass converted to energy is good for about 22 kilotons or one Nagasaki bomb. Wheeeeeee! cn
 

ANC

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Tesla had some invention he claimed could rip the earth in half by setting up osillations....

He constructed a simple device consisting of a piston suspended in a cylinder, which bypassed the necessity of a camshaft driven by a rotating power source, such as a gasoline or steam engine. In this way, he hoped to overcome loss of power through friction produced by the old system. This small device also enabled Tesla to try out his experiments in resonance. Every substance has a resonant frequency which is demonstrated by the principle of sympathetic vibration&endash;the most obvious example is the wine glass shattered by an opera singer (or a tape recording for you couch potatoes.) If this frequency is matched and amplified, any material may be literally shaken to pieces. A vibrating assembly with an adjustable frequency was finally perfected, and by 1897, Tesla was causing trouble with it in and near the neighborhood around his loft laboratory. Reporter A.L. Besnson wrote about this device in late 1911 or early 1912 for the Hearst tabloid The World Today. After fastening the resonator ("no larger than an alarm clock") to a steel bar (or "link") two feet long and two inches thick: He set the vibrator in "tune" with the link. For a long time nothing happened-&endash;vibrations of machine and link did not seem to coincide, but at last they did and the great steel began to tremble, increased its trembling until it dialated and contracted like a beating heart&endash;and finally broke. Sledge hammers could not have done it; crowbars could not have done it, but a fusillade of taps, no one of which would have harmed a baby, did it. Tesla was pleased. But not pleased enough it seems: He put his little vibrator in his coat-pocket and went out to hunt a half-erected steel building. Down in the Wall Street district, he found one&endash;ten stories of steel framework without a brick or a stone laid around it. He clamped the vibrator to one of the beams, and fussed with the adjustment until he got it.Tesla said finally the structure began to creak and weave and the steel-workers came to the ground panic-stricken, believing that there had been an earthquake. Police were called out. Tesla put the vibrator in his pocket and went away. Ten minutes more and he could have laid the building in the street. And, with the same vibrator he could have dropped the Brooklyn Bridge into the East River in less than an hour.Tesla claimed the device, properly modified, could be used to map underground deposits of oil. A vibration sent through the earth returns an "echo signature" using the same principle as sonar. This idea was actually adapted for use by the petroleum industry, and is used today in a modified form with devices used to locate objects at archaelogical digs. Even before he had mentioned the invention to anyone he was already scaring the local populace around his loft laboratory. Although this story may be apocryphal, it has been cited in more than one biography: Tesla happened to attach the device to an exposed steel girder in his brownstone, thinking the foundations were built on strudy granite. As he disovered later, the subtrata in the area consisted of sand&endash;an excellent conductor and propogator of ground vibrations. After setting the little machine up, he proceeded to putter about the lab on other projects that needed attention. Meanwhile, for blocks around, chaos reigned as objects fell off shelves, furniture moved across floors, windows shattered, and pipes broke. The pandemonium didn't go unnoticed in the local precinct house where prisoners panicked and police officers fought to keep coffee and donuts from flying off desks. Used as they were to the frequent calls about diabolical noises and flashes from Mr. Tesla's block, they hightailed it over. Racing up the stairs and into the lab, they found the inventor smashing the vibrator to bits with a sledgehammer. Turning to them with accustomed old-world aplomb, he apoligized calmly: " Gentlemen, I am sorry. You are just a trifle too late to witness my experiment. I found it necessary to stop it suddenly and unexpectedly in an unusual way. However, If you will come around this evening, I will have another oscillator attached to a platform and each of you can stand on it. You will I am sure find it a most interesting and pleasurable experience. Now, you must leave, for I have many things to do. Good day." (Actually, another story is related of Tesla's good friend Mark Twain, a regular visitor to the laboratory, standing on the vibrating platform to his great surprise and pleasure, extoling its theraputic effects while repeatedly ignoring the inventor's warnings to get down. Before long, he was made aware of its laxative effects and ran stiffly to the water closet.) One source has it that the device "bonded to the metal on an atomic level" and Tesla was unable to get at the controls, but it seems more likely that the wild movements of the girder, combined with the panic that he might bring the neigborhood down, moved Tesla to this unsubtle action. He later mused to reporters that the very earth could be split in two given the right conditions. The detonation of a ton of dynamite at intervals of one hour and forty-nine minutes would step up the natural standing wave that would be produced until the earth's crust could no longer contain the interior. He called his new science "tele-geodynamics." Newspaper artists of the time went nuts with all manner of fanciful illustrations of this theory. Tesla's fertile imagination posited a series of oscillators attached to the earth at strategic points that would be used to transmit vibrations to be picked up at any point on the globe and turned back in to usable power. Since no practical application of this idea could be found at the time that would make money for big investors or other philanthropic souls, (one can't effectively meter and charge for power derived in this way) the oscillators fell into disuse. In the 1930s, Tesla revived the idea of tele-geodynamics to create small, realtively harmless temblors to relieve stress, rather than having to wait in fear for nature to take it's course. Perhaps this idea did not remain the idle speculation of a scientist whose star had never been on the ascendant since the turn of the century, and we occasionally experience the devious machinations of invisible "earthquake merchants" at the behest of the unseen hands who wish to experiment on and control the populace.
 

Trolling

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So it's a theory about making one, in the article tho it says that laboratories used to store antimatter say it would be impossible but also said we don't have the money or technology to attempt, never say never I guess lol.
 

Finshaggy

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The sun is giant. You'd need a giant bomb to do the damage the sun would do. We don't have big enough bombs.. Not yet.
But we have numerous enough bombs I believe. I'm not basing this on my own assumption, I'm pretty sure they did the math for destruction of the planet, not annihilation of life. And America alone can do it like 70X over.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Actualy a study has been done,it would take 220 nukes to turn the whole earth into a barren wasteland.
How possibly? Even if they were all in the Tsar Bomba class ... you'd still have 90+% of the land surface left. cn
 

Hepheastus420

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But we have numerous enough bombs I believe. I'm not basing this on my own assumption, I'm pretty sure they did the math for destruction of the planet, not annihilation of life. And America alone can do it like 70X over.
Do you have any proof? Like a link to a good credible source.

It could probably fuck up the earth pretty damn bad... Which is horrible enough, But I don't thinkanything can blow up the earth. I would have heard about that.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Do you have any proof? Like a link to a good credible source.

It could probably fuck up the earth pretty damn bad... Which is horrible enough, But I don't thinkanything can blow up the earth. I would have heard about that.
I question those numbers as well. The world's combined nuclear arsenals aren't sufficient to resurface something as large as India, let alone all land. I view secondary effects, like "nuclear winter" or "universal radiation poisoning" as unproven and alarmist. cn
 

Finshaggy

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I question those numbers as well. The world's combined nuclear arsenals aren't sufficient to resurface something as large as India, let alone all land. I view secondary effects, like "nuclear winter" or "universal radiation poisoning" as unproven and alarmist. cn
You don't think we could even take out India?

If I'm wrong and it can't destroy the world, there's still no way you're right about that. We had to have made at least enough to destroy the entire middle east. If not, then Bush didn't do ANYTHING while he was in office.
 

Hepheastus420

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YES.

ATOM BOMBS ARE LIKE THE SUN, and can do what the sun can do if you have enough of them. Where's your source to credibly deny me?
I don't need any sources since I'm not claiming anything.

I agreed that if we had a bomb the size of the sun, we'd destroy earth. But we don't have that kind of equipment.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You don't think we could even take out India?

If I'm wrong and it can't destroy the world, there's still no way you're right about that. We had to have made at least enough to destroy the entire middle east. If not, then Bush didn't do ANYTHING while he was in office.
I said "resurface", not "take out". Ten well-placed nukes could ruin India economically, but that isn't the premise. We were talking about ruining the planet, not civilization. That's a softer target ... and we don't have enough nukes worldwide to do even that imo. cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
YES.

ATOM BOMBS ARE LIKE THE SUN, and can do what the sun can do if you have enough of them. Where's your source to credibly deny me?
A statement isn't a source, Fin.
Atom bombs are not like the sun. They are like ... atom bombs.

Finally, demanding disproof is a well-documented logic trap. It's an automatic debate fail. cn
 

Finshaggy

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I don't need any sources since I'm not claiming anything.

I agreed that if we had a bomb the size of the sun, we'd destroy earth. But we don't have that kind of equipment.
You're claiming we don't have enough nukes to do that.
And at first you were claiming we didn't even have the technology.

Don't get butthurt, just get a source.
 

Finshaggy

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I said "resurface", not "take out". Ten well-placed nukes could ruin India economically, but that isn't the premise. We were talking about ruining the planet, not civilization. That's a softer target ... and we don't have enough nukes worldwide to do even that imo. cn
You miss what I mean by "Take out" I mean, "Take out the land" not the poeple.
 

Finshaggy

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They are like ... atom bombs.

Which is what the sun is theorized to be doing over and over for energy. You're just saying the same things over and over to troll me now.
Find something that says we don't have enough nukes to destroy the planet, and I'll believe you.

You don't need to play with my words, and act like I'm saying the sun and nukes are the same. You got what I meant. The sun is just a bunch of nuclear explosions.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You miss what I mean by "Take out" I mean, "Take out the land" not the poeple.
Then I challenge your claim that we have enough nukes to "Take out the land" of, i.e. resurface, the entire Middle East. The burden is on you to find supporting information, not on anyone else to show it ain't so.

Unless I can use your method and simply say:
It ain't so.
and call that using a source.
But that would just be tiresome, and I'd rather not be that. cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Which is what the sun is theorized to be doing over and over for energy. You're just saying the same things over and over to troll me now.
Find something that says we don't have enough nukes to destroy the planet, and I'll believe you.

You don't need to play with my words, and act like I'm saying the sun and nukes are the same. You got what I meant. The sun is just a bunch of nuclear explosions.
No; I am not. Atom bombs do not use the same mechanism to produce energy as the sun.
Thermonukes are closer to the solar process but still different.
So I am dissecting your claims, not trolling you. There is a fundamental difference. cn
 
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