Advanced Lighting Spectrums for T5 Floro and LED

hyroot

hyroot

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PetFlora said:
Responding, primary to your post #40but in fact, all of your queries. Here's my analogy...

I have many years experience with hi-end audio. Sony's BIG lie when they introduced digital (CD players) was Perfect Sound Forever, but it never sounded as good as analogue. Decades of R & D have gone into resolving digital's inherent problem: It chops up the sign wave, making it look more like steps. Digital converters attempt to fill in the missing information. People spend BIG $$$ on exotic converters to solve this.

I look at bi-wave spectrum fixtures (R/B) as light spectrums version of digital. All spectrums are needed, it just a question of how much of each.
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Tape convolutions work.for giving it that tape sound. .wav is linear. Its not chopped up at all. of you see breaks outside a bar in .wav file. Its bemm penciled in from a punch in or the lower frequencies were brougt up to match the higher frequencies. Thats known as munson.effect or loud button. Tape was better sound due to the warmth in sound. But cd was more cost effective. Like beta and vhs. Mp3 are basically bit crushed and chopped. . Wav is 16 bit 44,100 hurtz , mp3 is 8 bit 22,100 hurtz. The good things about mp3 is if sampling you can get some grimey drums from it. The a/d coneverters is part of the engine in e-mu cards and digidesign hardware. Ive been an audio engineer for a decade. I make beats too. The steps are bars and measures to read musice and count melodic steps.That was created before electricity.
 
PetFlora

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polyarcturus said:
hell yeah i need more patience to be honest. but i prefer when people are straight foreword and break it down its just simpler the complications can be learned later or asked about thats kinda how i feel or i will lead you into the complications so you can do the research yourself, Canndo does this to me all the time when talking about shroom, guy is fucking smart but prefers not to be straight forward.

you where saying something about back pain and oxy? i do not do oxy i oded when i was young and i only ever take pills when i am truly ill. and i dont really have back pains that i know off, just cluster headaches which is why i eat mushrooms once a year, but i have not eaten any for a long long time now.
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Same 411 goes for any health condition. Quite a few causes for headaches junk food/beverage related, chlorinated water, Fluoride, aluminum (deodorants). There are a few supplements able to cross the blood/brain barrier- krill oil, Astaxanthin , broken cell wall chlorella will chelate heavy metals
 
PetFlora

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PetFlora said:
There are a number of natural options to heal your spine. Alas, I do not recall where I read them but if you google natural remedies for your condition you might get on the road to eliminating oxy
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I see now, this was for Fonz, but somehow I hit the wrong Reply

 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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hyroot said:
Tape convolutions work.for giving it that tape sound. .wav is linear. Its not chopped up at all. of you see breaks outside a bar in .wav file. Its bemm penciled in from a punch in or the lower frequencies were brougt up to match the higher frequencies. Thats known as munson.effect or loud button. Tape was better sound due to the warmth in sound. But cd was more cost effective. Like beta and vhs. Mp3 are basically bit crushed and chopped. . Wav is 16 bit 44,100 hurtz , mp3 is 8 bit 22,100 hurtz. The good things about mp3 is if sampling you can get some grimey drums from it. The a/d coneverters is part of the engine in e-mu cards and digidesign hardware. Ive been an audio engineer for a decade. I make beats too. The steps are bars and measures to read musice and count melodic steps.That was created before electricity.
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I'm too damned old to convert ~ 1000 cds into files. Plus, I don't listen to music via tiny ear pieces, or head phones. My music system is powered via a 20 amp dedicated line; it too is differentially balanced. I have Magnepan 3.5Rs (now replaced by 3.7s). This is not current components, but same basic set up

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PetFlora

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polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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PetFlora said:
Same 411 goes for any health condition. Quite a few causes for headaches junk food/beverage related, chlorinated water, Fluoride, aluminum (deodorants). There are a few supplements able to cross the blood/brain barrier- krill oil, Astaxanthin , broken cell wall chlorella will chelate heavy metals
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yeah but these headaches last umm weeks to months the mushrooms keep them away. i wish i was something simple like that but these headaches i get can quite literally be debilitating. i tried several natural methods and a few medications only one type of medicine and the mushrooms where the only thing that worked. great thing about the shrooms in comparison to the medicine(some type of LSD like medicine... hmm i dont know what its called off hand starts with an M i believe) is it lasts monthes the medicine they gave me wouldnt last as long but could work at getting rid of them when they start if i managed to take it befor it got too bad, i tried alot of natural stuff before i went to the hospital thinking i had a tumor and shit.... anyways enough about me health problems
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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PetFlora said:
Finally getting back to this. Hard to argue with Weez, but, this thread is 1 year old and the 411 he was using predated his theory. To me, the trick A/B test grow would be all Cree Neutral whites + a dimmer v R/B
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I do like the Neutral Whites. Yes they have a real nice full spectrum to them. It seems I must incorporate some pure blue into my spectrum because my Lemon Skunk does prefer a blue heavy spectrum for veg AND flower. Sounds crazy but true.

She will just not grow under the Hortilux Blue MH alone without additional blue added. It's surprising since the Horti Blue has so much blue in it already, but it's not how much is in there that the LS prefers, it's the overall ratio. She likes a blue heavy spectrum and will not grow well without one.

This is opposite for my Sour D.

I have in my "backup room" now a 400w Horti Blue(the $140 type). With it I have 4 x h150 red Kessil led and 2 x h350 deep purple Kessil led.

Total white mh W = 400w
Total red led W = 128w
Total deep purple led W = 180w

Total W = 608w

This setup is using the MH in place of any white LEDs. I like doing the tests this way because it is much cheaper than buying 400w of LEDs. LOL

Yes I realize the HoritBlue MH does not have the exact same spectral output as the white LEDs, but the differences are irrelevant.

The overall color of my room is a whitish light purple which I believe the Lemons will like much better than the MH alone.

I will not be changing the light spectrum when I flip to 12/12. It will stay the same all the way through flower.

Updates to come.
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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polyarcturus said:
note: th bulbs in the fixture currently meaning the 420nm and 460nm are Truelumen, so no SPD. ive trie emailing several time frim several emails to no avail.
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I use 460nm TrueLumen as well. Current sent me the SPD for the lamp. I have it if you want it, it's just a big spike at 460nm that rolls up into green minutely.

Keep in mind the Florasuns are half blue, half red. 1:1 with a touch of green wavelength.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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yeah i wouldnt mind a look at it i always figured it was the same as most 460nm actinic like what you described.

i know i have another florasun to put in when the 420 died or i tried to flower with the t5(i had 2 and broke it on accident, brand new bulb, i was PO)
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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polyarcturus said:
yeah i wouldnt mind a look at it i always figured it was the same as most 460nm actinic like what you described.

i know i have another florasun to put in when the 420 died or i tried to flower with the t5(i had 2 and broke it on accident, brand new bulb, i was PO)
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Here ya go. It doesn't look like a computer generated SPD, but it still shows what the main peak is anyway.
 

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Fonzarelli

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In my backup room that has the 1000w MH and 4 Kessil h150 reds:

I noticed the plants responding poorly to the 1000w MH light yesterday so I switched it out for the 400w Hortilux blue. Today, I noticed the plants responding a little better, but not as good as I was looking for. They were still receiving more yellow light than they could handle.

So about 3 hours ago I switched out the 400w HB MH for a 250w 6.4k MH. I also put my 2 Kessil h350 Deep purples on each side of the fixture along with the 4 Kessil h150 reds. Lots of $$ wrapped up into these Kessils, but they make for easy wavelength supplement additions when they are working.

After doing this switch I waited 3 hours and walked back into the backup room. My jaw dropped to the floor instantly at what I saw. Never seen such a strong response before. The leaves were standing 100% vertical towards the light. I'm gonna give this light spectrum a few days to see if everything holds true, but so far WOW, HOLY FUCKING SHIT WOW.

The 1000w was way more intense than the plants could handle, especially with the added R/B wavelengths. The 400w was also more intense than the plants could handle. The 250w seems to make the perfect balance between all the lights. Overall, I like the spectrum color and so do the plants. It's literally like the plants are on steroids and a shot of speed directly into the eyeball.(not the best analogy but whatever lol)

I recommend this setup for every strain. All of my strains are doing equally well under this spectrum mixture. If anyone is interested I have photos of the plants response. Let me know, otherwise I'm not going to take the time trying to get them to post up on here with all the trouble it has been causing recently. I can still post photos, but I have to do it in a very round about way that takes 20 minutes to post one photo. lol
 
Fonzarelli

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^^^^^^^^^I wanted to add that I haven't seen this positive of a reaction before even with 2000w of HPS or MH lighting. Now it just has to keep doing this through flower and we're going to get some record sized buds, I guarantee!!!!!!!! (Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!) hehe

If you guys couldn't tell I'm pretty excited. I already had to change my pants once.
 
polyarcturus

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well thats good to hear unfortunately ive had a brush with near exposure. so i will not be able to preform my experiment as i have everything torn down to a much simpler point also my plants look like shit too right now(not pic worthy) and im harvesting most everything i will try and see if i cant turn things around here but right now im feeling paranoid and trying to just be as low key as possible if i can start the exp. i will let you guys know but i dont think i have the time pr availability at the current moment im sorry to say.
 
PetFlora

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Since Big Girl F1 (Sat dom) thus far has refused to finish under a high red blend, I replaced one of the CWs yesterday with an ATI Special Blue Actinic
 
Fonzarelli

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PetFlora said:
Since Big Girl F1 (Sat dom) thus far has refused to finish under a high red blend, I replaced one of the CWs yesterday with an ATI Special Blue Actinic
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My Sativa dominant strains do not finish under red heavy spectrums either. What was your spectrum before, and what is it now. It also could be the lack of light intensity.

My Lemon Skunk did extremely well under a blue/red spectrum ratio of 1:1. Have you tried the 660nm UVL's yet along side your Redsuns? I found those to be a perfect match for Sativa's along with equal blue light. I've never had such fruity pebble like buds up to this point before.

I find it hard to believe how well the Sativa's do under a blue heavy light spectrum through flowering. My Blueberry Indica seems to be able to handle blue spectrums as well and they finish with a nice blue color which I find quite interesting. I've never been able to get my Blueberry strain to finish blue until now.

It's weird how the Blueberry being Indica dominant can finish under the blue heavy spectrum while my Bubblegum and Sour D do not finish at all. My Sour D just finished with buds 1/4 the size of normal under the same light conditions as the Lemon Skunk and Blueberry. This shit is sure a mystery.

I will take some photos of my finished Blueberry buds. They are real purty.
 
Fonzarelli

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Here's the finished and dried Blueberry, the buds are normal popcorn style Blueberry buds. I've seen them quite a bit bigger under HPS or 3K MH, but not this nicely colored and packed with flavor,

The seed is in there because I crossed it with a male NYCD. Should be an interesting mix.

Here's a shot of my Lemon Skunk reaction when I changed out the 400w MH HortiBlue for a 250w 6.4K MH. High Seven!,

Notice the overall light spectrum. Kind of a light purple.

Here's a shot of the light arrangement and fixture,


Hey Poly, what happened that you gotta lay low now?
 
polyarcturus

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a "friend" also a grower was taliking shit to my girl, i called him out. he didnt take it in stride i went to the "friends" house to beat some ass. my "friend" got really scared (coultdn take an asswhooping like a man) and started threatining all types of crazy shit. its gonn be a reall ghetto grow soon picking up 2 wardrobe boxes for veg and gonna use my 4x2x4 for flower. ive been chopping everything just took down some plants last night gonna take the rest down ASAP cause i just dont trust them and my phone was filled with all kinds of suspicious messages.

ive just been stressing really bad barely been sleeping.
 
polyarcturus

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and it was all becuase my girl promised them a ride to do laundry. the really fucked up thing is after all this shit they hwere saying thier rooms where much bigger than mine personlly i think hey where just trying to get me fucked up well it worked the messages are what have me really worried.
 
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Whew. Just went through all 8 pages. Lots of good info in here. THANKYOU

I will be doing my first dresser grow soon. I plan on going the CFL route. but id REALLY LIKE to throw in an LED sometime, even if I just use it in addition to my cfls during flowering.

would an LED UFO with all 660nm be a good choice? Been looking into either the 90w or 135w ufo.

also, if you could check this out and tell me what you think I would really appreciate it. Thinking of throwing a bid or two on it if it doesnt get too high.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-300w-LED-Grow-Light-8-Band-Lamp-For-Flower-Hot-Sale-Hydroponic-System-/261069457252?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cc8f3c764


or maybe this UFO?? vvv the link below

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-TRIBAND-UFO-GROW-LIGHT-90-watt-400-600-w-HPS-MH-90w-/120635597999?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c167124af
 
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