A Cruise Missile Slammed Into the Pentagon on 911
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It was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes—enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety. The area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows—2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each—that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get outAre you sure about those dimensions?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon
Dr Kynes
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Protip: turbines spin at huge speed, generating massive centrifugal force, when they are cruelly violated by a reinforced concrete wall with a stone facade, they make their displeasure known by exploding in a shower of metal fragments at 90 degrees from the aircraft's fuselage, leaving only their rotor hubs (and sometimes less), which were found, and clearly pictured in the images of the wreckage.
Bonus Protip: the blades of the turbines are made of titanium (a brittle metal at the best of times) but they are operating well beyond titanium's heat tolerances. when the aforementioned reinforced concrete wall makes sweet love to the engine, destroying the cooling systems, the titanium fails even more dramatically than they would with just their rotational inertia.
Super Bonus Protip: aluminium burns when temps get high enough, and reduces to a powder when struck with a high velocity object (from the planes perspective, that big ass building was moving way too fast)
heckler73
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Realtip: There's a difference between centrifugal and centripetal.
One of them doesn't exist.
Bonus Realtip: How about some equations or defined values to bolster your made-up "facts". Hand-waving only goes so far...
Super Bonus Realtip: Go out plinking, and let us know how many cans you reduce to powder (I presume oxides) with "high velocity objects". I doubt that even Doer could pummel a can to dust with one of his Justice Rocks.
www.alueurope.eu/talat/lectures/1501.pdf
Super Duper Up-yer-Pooper Realtip: Aluminum has higher strength when compressed.
Unless they are lying to me...
Harrekin
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As usual, the Doc makes lots of ASSumptions and looks like a twat when the facts get doled out.
Doer
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All else but an airplane was ruled out. And we all have seen footage where more than the nose comes in frame and it is leading a giant fireball already. A Nuke? That is as stupid as dirt. (sorry dirt)
And what happened to the plane and the people if it was a cruise missile?
And how in hell can anyone think the Pentagon can stand against a nuke?
The smallest device will vaporize most of the building, It is scary to think there are people being born that have no idea was a modern Atomic Weapon can do.
And what happened to the plane and the people if it was a cruise missile?
And how in hell can anyone think the Pentagon can stand against a nuke?
The smallest device will vaporize most of the building, It is scary to think there are people being born that have no idea was a modern Atomic Weapon can do.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
so cetrifugal force doesnt exist?
seriously?
are you retarded?
swing a ball on a string, and see if you feel a force.
release the string and what happens to the ball?
turbine blades do EXACTLY the same thing when they release themselves (in whole or in part) from their hubs and axles
Name, symbol, number titanium, Ti, 22
Pronunciation /taɪˈteɪniəm/
ty-TAY-nee-əm
Element category transition metal
Group, period, block 4, 4, d
Standard atomic weight 47.867(1)
Electron configuration [Ar] 3d2 4s2
2, 8, 10, 2
Physical properties
Phase solid
Density (near r.t.) 4.506 g·cm−3
Liquid density at m.p. 4.11 g·cm−3
Melting point 1941 K, 1668 °C, 3034 °F
Boiling point 3560 K, 3287 °C, 5949 °F
Heat of fusion 14.15 kJ·mol−1
Heat of vaporization 425 kJ·mol−1
Molar heat capacity 25.060 J·mol−1·K−1
Vapor pressure
P (Pa) 1 10 100 1 k 10 k 100 k
at T (K) 1982 2171 (2403) 2692 3064 3558
Atomic properties
Oxidation states 4, 3, 2, 1[1]
(amphoteric oxide)
Electronegativity 1.54 (Pauling scale)
Ionization energies
(more) 1st: 658.8 kJ·mol−1
2nd: 1309.8 kJ·mol−1
3rd: 2652.5 kJ·mol−1
Atomic radius 147 pm
Covalent radius 160±8 pm
Miscellanea
Crystal structure hexagonal close-packed
Magnetic ordering paramagnetic
Electrical resistivity (20 °C) 420 nΩ·m
Thermal conductivity 21.9 W·m−1·K−1
Thermal expansion (25 °C) 8.6 µm·m−1·K−1
Speed of sound (thin rod) (r.t.) 5,090 m·s−1
Young's modulus 116 GPa
Shear modulus 44 GPa
Bulk modulus 110 GPa
Poisson ratio 0.32
Mohs hardness 6.0
Vickers hardness 970 MPa
Brinell hardness 716 MPa
CAS registry number 7440-32-6
note that melting point...
"The desire to produce a high engine efficiency demands a high turbine inlet temperature, but this causes problems as the turbine blades would be required to perform and survive long operating periods at temperatures above their melting point. These blades, while glowing red-hot, must be strong enough to carry the centrifugal loads due to rotation at high speed."
~ http://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/ww2/projects/jet-airplanes/how.html
ZOMG!! looks like Stanford University recognizes centrifugal force, are they deceiving us?
is this part of some vast conspiracy to trick us into believing in magic?
or are you really that stupid
yes, they are lying to you.
aluminium is brittle. high
velocity rounds shatter aluminium into fine particles which can then catch fire.
http://www.g2mil.com/aluminum.htm
thin aluminium (like a pop can) yeilds to even a moderate force long before it can disintegrate, but why dont you go shoot an aluminium engine block and see how the hole looks (fine powderey particles a neat round hole, and a big ass crack running the length of the block)
cast aluminium, when it breaks clearly displays it's grainy structure (as any motorcyce mechanic can easily show you) and that grainy structure and low resistance to force is why nobody makes aluminium armor (that and the flamability, toxic fumes when burning, low resistance to corrosives, etc...)
"compressing" aluminium is not what happens when you shoot it, just like you can set dozens of bricks on a water glass without a problem, but one brick in motion turns that water glass to a pile of shattered fragments.
socalcoolmx
Well-Known Member
so cetrifugal force doesnt exist?
seriously?
are you retarded?
swing a ball on a string, and see if you feel a force.
release the string and what happens to the ball?
turbine blades do EXACTLY the same thing when they release themselves (in whole or in part) from their hubs and axles
Name, symbol, number titanium, Ti, 22
Pronunciation /taɪˈteɪniəm/
ty-TAY-nee-əm
Element category transition metal
Group, period, block 4, 4, d
Standard atomic weight 47.867(1)
Electron configuration [Ar] 3d2 4s2
2, 8, 10, 2
Physical properties
Phase solid
Density (near r.t.) 4.506 g·cm−3
Liquid density at m.p. 4.11 g·cm−3
Melting point 1941 K, 1668 °C, 3034 °F
Boiling point 3560 K, 3287 °C, 5949 °F
Heat of fusion 14.15 kJ·mol−1
Heat of vaporization 425 kJ·mol−1
Molar heat capacity 25.060 J·mol−1·K−1
Vapor pressure
P (Pa) 1 10 100 1 k 10 k 100 k
at T (K) 1982 2171 (2403) 2692 3064 3558
Atomic properties
Oxidation states 4, 3, 2, 1[1]
(amphoteric oxide)
Electronegativity 1.54 (Pauling scale)
Ionization energies
(more) 1st: 658.8 kJ·mol−1
2nd: 1309.8 kJ·mol−1
3rd: 2652.5 kJ·mol−1
Atomic radius 147 pm
Covalent radius 160±8 pm
Miscellanea
Crystal structure hexagonal close-packed
Magnetic ordering paramagnetic
Electrical resistivity (20 °C) 420 nΩ·m
Thermal conductivity 21.9 W·m−1·K−1
Thermal expansion (25 °C) 8.6 µm·m−1·K−1
Speed of sound (thin rod) (r.t.) 5,090 m·s−1
Young's modulus 116 GPa
Shear modulus 44 GPa
Bulk modulus 110 GPa
Poisson ratio 0.32
Mohs hardness 6.0
Vickers hardness 970 MPa
Brinell hardness 716 MPa
CAS registry number 7440-32-6
note that melting point...
"The desire to produce a high engine efficiency demands a high turbine inlet temperature, but this causes problems as the turbine blades would be required to perform and survive long operating periods at temperatures above their melting point. These blades, while glowing red-hot, must be strong enough to carry the centrifugal loads due to rotation at high speed."
~ http://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/courses/ww2/projects/jet-airplanes/how.html
ZOMG!! looks like Stanford University recognizes centrifugal force, are they deceiving us?
is this part of some vast conspiracy to trick us into believing in magic?
or are you really that stupid
yes, they are lying to you.
aluminium is brittle. high
velocity rounds shatter aluminium into fine particles which can then catch fire.
http://www.g2mil.com/aluminum.htm
thin aluminium (like a pop can) yeilds to even a moderate force long before it can disintegrate, but why dont you go shoot an aluminium engine block and see how the hole looks (fine powderey particles a neat round hole, and a big ass crack running the length of the block)
cast aluminium, when it breaks clearly displays it's grainy structure (as any motorcyce mechanic can easily show you) and that grainy structure and low resistance to force is why nobody makes aluminium armor (that and the flamability, toxic fumes when burning, low resistance to corrosives, etc...)
"compressing" aluminium is not what happens when you shoot it, just like you can set dozens of bricks on a water glass without a problem, but one brick in motion turns that water glass to a pile of shattered fragments.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
your desire to beleive that the US fired a missile into it's own buildings overshadows your reason, demolishes your logical thought processes, and reduces you to a Troofer.
heckler's entire diatribe is based on BULLSHIT, or do you doubt the existence of centrifugal force too?
jet engines DO operate at temps beyond the melting point of the metals used, aluminium armor does suck, aluminium castings DO reduce to powder when struck with enough force (and the force needed isnt that great) burns readily (releasing toxic fumes) when exposed to heat, and leaves very little behind afterwards.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
was that a rebuttal? cuz it wasnt very effective...
socalcoolmx
Well-Known Member
Jet engines have different kind of blades made of different materials. Fan blades are made of titanium matrix and compressor blades are made of titanium but the Turbine blades are made of Iconel a high nichel steel alloy to withstand high temps.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
and when they fail, like when striking a reinforced concrete structure designed to withstand bomb blasts, they all fail dramatically.
read the stanford.edu link above.
"long operating periods at temperatures above their melting point."
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
there was a plane (4 of them actually)
bin laden did it
for his religious zealotry
end of story.
Doer
Well-Known Member
How does that work?
We didn't get any oil from that..still don't.
Beginning of stupid you mean. "bushdidit"
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
you are lying to us, you are lying because you really want to believe the lie, and the anarcho-______ist dingbats benefit, because they want to watch the world burn.
socalcoolmx
Well-Known Member
Just saying I think you are wrong about turbine blades being made of titanium. I,m sure they are made of the high temp steel alloy Inconel or a very similar steel nichel super alloy. When I have time I will read the report. I try to keep an opened mind .
I do believe the american people have been false flagged by thier government before so I don't think you can't really trust what they say