4'x'4 Gorilla Grow Tent || Blue Dream ScROG || First Grow

MrEDuck said:

I'm speaking for the clone but there's definitely S1 phenos capable of hitting the yield. There's one that looks more indica dominant that I think might out yield the clone but wasn't as good.
I'd want to be running hydro but if I was going with soilless I would go with fast draining 50/50 mix of peat and growstones (they're like better hydroton). I'd put rooted clones into 1qt pots lined with something like microkote or spinout (or just mix copper (II) hydroxide n latex pain and make your own, all pots will be lined with this) and let them stay in there for about 3 weeks to get a truly dense root ball, you could probably do it at 2 weeks. Then go to 1-1.5 gal for another 2-3 weeks, then to a 3-4 gal, then two final container about a week before flower. They can be held pretty much indefinitely in the 3 gals if you need to wait for room to be opening up in bloom for the new plants.
For nutes I'd go with Either Jack's Citrus FeED or Dyna Gro's Foliage Pro as my base along with DG's Protekt. After the stretch give a bump in Ca and Mg and S (usually Mg supplements have a lot of S). Feed enough to keep the leaves green and productive but no more and feed at every watering. Plants are not like people, feeding them too much will not make them fat. Flush your medium out with 2-3x the volume of the pot of pH'd water and then feed as normal every 7-14 days. Salt build up will fuck your plants up.
The big trick is getting your tent filled with an evenly illuminated canopy and finding the environment the plants like. I find running negative pressure fucks things up. Make sure your intake can keep up with your exhaust.
Do you have a light mover in there? They help provide more even coverage. They don't really expand the area a light can cover but they help them cover it better.

One day I want to try to get a pound off a single plant under a 400W with the clone when I have space. I think she could do it.

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rory420420 said:

Yea ccc,you can easily pull 2lbs with some patience..id def have to side with duck on the larger pots..more roots equal more fruits...and vegging that long isn't gonna help itll hurt,if you leave em in a smaller pot..3gal pots were not meant for 5months of growth...3 months of veg and 2 flowering and it'll be a block of roots coated in salt...I got mothers that have been in the same pot for over a year,but I take special care of them and only veg(obviously)...if I were you id get an aluminum horse trough and line it with landscapefabric and use it for both plants..it'll be sturdy enough to move with all that weight(unlike a rubbermaid tote) and you can fasten screen supports all around it with the same sturdy metal...set that bad boy on a few bricks for drainage into a pan and you're set.

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CCCmints said:

i honestly need to setup a little box so i can take clones or even keep a mother plant or two. it's really going to suck if i get a killer pheno out of this run and don't get to keep it...

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am i supposed to be feeding every 7-14 days? i thought when i start nutrients i was supposed to do water < feed < water < feed etc. yeah i didn't think negative pressure was good so i plugged my exhaust fan into a speed controller. i have another booster fan though so i'm going to attach that to the one i've got running in the tent now. then i'll be able to crank the exhaust up a bit more (hopefully all the way but we'll see). for this first run i'm really gonna try to make my tent as optimal of an environment as possible. that will be the first step to increasing yield.

and thanks for the transplanting advice. i was under the impression that you didn't want to transplant too often because it stresses the plants out. but after thinking about it a bit i don't see where all that stress would be coming from..you've got me on a new way of thinking now. what i'm gathering from your transplant advice is you want the plant in a pot that fits the plant's size to establish a good rootball, then transplant to a bigger pot and right before flower put her in her final home. so i think in a few weeks i'm going to transplant to the 3 gallon pots i have and then order a couple 7 gallon smart pots. i hope 3 gallon to 7 gallon isn't too big of a jump.the trough idea is a good one. i don't see why i would have to move the plants though? maybe if i were dealing with a lot of plants (like yourself) then i would put them in a trough.

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rory420420 said:

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The same guy made mine,but mine is the 64 sit..I seen another manufacturer with a 12 site but it had some weird disc in the center..I like mine..I put painters tape on one edge and can lable everthing I clone,and all I use is r.o. water(3 1/2 gal) and 25ml of calmag..10 days later I really have what I call 'gandolf beards' starting on the ladies..and,they will stay and grow in the cloner for a while without any attention..I leave my potroast in there for 3 weeks sometimes just to hav em ready for the next rotation and they can get to 2pin before I even stick them in the dirt!(that's the strain tho..others just grow roots instead of veg..potroast does both!)...hope this helps..other than the pump and the neoprene discs/cups,you can build this for 18$..emitters are like 50cent at my hydro shop...keep those girls alive! Never know who might wanna trade you...

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MrEDuck said:

Dude you can build one out of a storage tote. Here's my ghetto one built primarily with shit I had around the house http://imgur.com/a/Zjjgl#0
This isn't like human women where you have awhile to figure out if she's the one and to do something about it. With these ladies you need to be able to do something right then or risk losing her forever. There's always oh shit revegging but that can be a major PITA especially if you have plants in large pots and isn't 100%.
I would suggest a larger space if you want to do a few large plants. That way you can veg and flower in separate spaces and always keep the flower room full. I outlined a 10 week veg, if you're running 10 week strains that means you're cutting your number of harvests per year in half!



I feed with every watering. Every week or two I flush the medium out prior to feeding to remove salt build up. I grow more like a hydro setup even in soil.
I don't like smart pots because I like the structure of a real pot. Line it with Cu(OH)2 or get one of those fancy air pots if you feel like spending money. As long as your container prunes the roots timing transplants is a lot easier. The trick is increasing pot size gradualy so you get an extra 3-4" in each dimension. There's a product called rootmaker containers that are commonly used by commercial nurseries growing perennials that need to be transplanted a few times before they get sold. It just adds 4" or something each time and creates an awesome root ball. The reason to do the final transplant a week before the flip is because the plant will still develop a lot of root mass in the first two to three weeks of flower so you just want her to have a little time to adjust to her new home before flipping but you still want space for a lot of root growth. 3 gal to 7 should be fine though, especially since it's the final container.
As far as an optimal environment I like to keep my RH around 40 and temps between ~75-80F (I like to aim for 77F) without supplemental CO2. Right now I'm stuck with little ability to control my environment and it fucking sucks. Once you have that make sure the air is circulating in your tent as much as possible. Unlike nutes more is better right up until the point of burn! With sufficient air movement and additional watering plants will do just fine at temps over 86F. Many of my Aussie friends run temps as high as the low 90s during the summer and they still do very well. They practically build their grows out of fans to do so but it works.

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MrEDuck said:

That's correct Sunshine #4 has no nutes. I usually feed a dilute amount from planting in inert media, like 1/4tsp of Jack's per gallon. I'm surprised they've grown that far with no nutes.

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