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Haha. I just Googled "Citizen 1212 gen 5" and your website holds 1st and 2nd place on page #1. You've totally fucked my thread with your bullshit, which is the only reason I'm taking the trouble to respond. (Now, that's aggressive). I'm over it with 16 cob home-made lights - I built a couple...

@uncle!mumbles - let us know how your choices pan out. Like you, I doubt if you can look forward to 200 lumens/Watt with cheap gear.

Er - Hello! That's the whole point of my post. I've been down the expensive road - it works. 800 watts of white leds, widely spread across a 4x4 kicks arse, with not too much heat. Now I'm trying to find a much cheaper way of achieving the same effective par but at a much lower cost. My...

If I aim at 50W per cob, I've got 50W per Sq ft in a 4x4 but I still need 16 of the suckers and 4 drivers, plus all the aluminium and fabrication time. 4x the High Bay lights (@200W each) sure looks easier and cheaper at around 600AUD all up, done and dusted. If they are shitty efficiency...

They certainly beat the hell out of other super-cheap ghetto solutions (in my limited experience). I'm keen for someone's opinion on the Chinese 'High Bay' lights.

Hi chums, I've built a couple of my own lights, a 16 COB CXB 3590, and a 16 COB Vero 29. They've cost me a fortune and are performing really well. If I want to build up lighting for another area (primarily for vegging), is there any possibility that these could really deliver 140 lumens/Watt...

About a pound (per amperage, divided by the ppm of the ambient CLE) That's Centigrade - you'll have to do the conversion to inches yourself. Good luck with your grow.

Your Avatar is really your photographic portrait, isn't it? Mine is too, so I'm not being cruel, just observant.

The OP's talking 5x5, so 25sq ft. That's 40watts /sq ft, which is the important measure. I can't imagine how long it would take to veg a single plant up to 25sq ft but it's a long time to veg for sure.

How are you feeling today Bob?

I'd go back to a nice, clean plug for each driver and make sure that each plug is wired very carefully. If problems persist (as they say), chuck out your plug board and buy a fresh one. There is no mysterious reason why 2 should work but not 3 (or 4 even). I'd be pretty confident that there is...

Just say 'No" to buying more seeds lol.

How have you wired the ac side? Have you run three pairs of wires into a single plug? I have similar drivers to yours and they each have a single mains plug and I just whack them into a conventional plug board. This makes the ac side 'parallel' and I'm ok until I exceed the rated capacity...

Has anyone got any more details on this subject? A solvent for RSO that can be used safely in a vaporiser would really help me out.

Not enough power to really blast a 4x4 through flowering. Even with COBs you really need to aim at 50W/Sqft. I've got 16 x 3590s on 4 drivers, pulling about 700W at the wall, and half of my COBs are 5000K, so they are more efficient that the 3000k and 3500k options too. You'll grow good weed...

Nothing satisfying ever happens when I try to deal with an Ali Baba vendor. I tried communicating on a couple of occasions with Jerry and the woman who answers his mail and it always turns to shit. I find that the more specific I get with my questions (can you guarantee that the Vero is...

Yes and no. I've got a small seedling/clone tent, that's 30" x 20". It's got a fluorescent tube in it, but I've been experimenting with a cool white led globe, with the top half flipped off. It's 10W and 800 lumens, and a bit fierce for the seedlings. I've gone back to the cheapo flourescent...

So, he doesn't understand you eh? Damn that guy!

Excellent run. You're an inspiration.

You need to use a flex, not a cable, like on your kettle or your mum's smoothing iron. Solid-core (cable) is not designed to move about. I've made up fly-leads with connectors at each end, for ease of clean-out and moving around. Try not to use a plug or socket that could be mistaken or used...