are people who truly belive the bible mentaly retarded?

MojoRison

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Why must we be categorized, does that not allow for a hierarchy to be established, a ladder in which to either ascend or descend based on the perception of reality.
 

Zaehet Strife

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Grey,

You get the privilege of pretending to know what happens when you die. I'm sure it is very comforting. I wish i could do that, sincerely. Maybe i am just jealous that i can't.
 

Greatest I am

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In the YouTube list there were his other videos. "Crucifixion is in your skull". I've talked about that here before. Golgotha, the place of the skull. Above that it would appear that there is nobody...erm, no body.
I have not seen all of Bill's clips but will view this one as time allows Thanks. But I agree that everything religious all happens in our own minds. Regards DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivlzX3zMLvs
 

Greatest I am

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Why must we be categorized, does that not allow for a hierarchy to be established, a ladder in which to either ascend or descend based on the perception of reality.
Jacob's ladder is an ancient concept. Climbing it is what we do and should do. That is what we do to help us reach a higher ideal. It has always been so and evolution gives a fittest so why not have that fittest where all can see. Or at least whatever we think is the fittest. Chances are we will select wrongly and that is why and how we as societies evolve. Regards DL
 

Greatest I am

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Grey,

You get the privilege of pretending to know what happens when you die. I'm sure it is very comforting. I wish i could do that, sincerely. Maybe i am just jealous that i can't.
Islam has it made in the shade. If you are a man that is. It is not good for females and any thinking man will see it as a curse. Imagine the monotony of spending all the time doing 70 virgins and a couple of Houri. Christ. That would be enough to turn a hetero gay. That would be as horrible as what they have done with my hero ------------------------[video=youtube;ea7bj5MsyAU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea7bj5MsyAU[/video] Regards DL
 

MojoRison

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All things being equal, man has as much knowledge of a higher being as any other creature that calls the earth home, it is for all intents and purposes... conjecture. IMO
 

Ringsixty

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I say, believe what you want to believe. Just leave me out of it.
I take no offence to your beliefs as long as you don't push it on me.:peace:

I believe, I have the largest and most beautiful Cock in the World. Plus a pair of awesome ball to go with my glorious Penis.. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
But, that's what I believe...:lol::blsmoke:
 

Greatest I am

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All things being equal, man has as much knowledge of a higher being as any other creature that calls the earth home, it is for all intents and purposes... conjecture. IMO

Mostly, yes. Specifically, no.

It should all remain as myth and conjecture as you say butonly until and if apotheosis happens to you and forces you to give something ofthe unseen and un-proven reality. Thatis what happened to me.

Lend me your ear.

The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself anesoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplifythis quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st blackwhere I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moralreasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil waysof O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christiansare sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat asimmoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoralposition.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality wasconfirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found waswhat I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close butnot exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the waywith apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of moralitybecause no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no moreproof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. Hedoes not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thingfrom what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore whatthey see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tendnot to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals andthink that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this Icannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether ornot God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does notdo, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an endpoint. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnosticpersuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God Ifound, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise mybar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love,adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and isto be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

 

Greatest I am

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I say, believe what you want to believe. Just leave me out of it.
I take no offence to your beliefs as long as you don't push it on me.:peace:

I believe, I have the largest and most beautiful Cock in the World. Plus a pair of awesome ball to go with my glorious Penis.. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
But, that's what I believe...:lol::blsmoke:

For harmless delusion, I agree completely. Although in thiscase you attribute things to you that only I possess. But that aside.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt allof us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They allhurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. Theymake us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is aGodhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefsin fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do isnothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL
 

Greatest I am

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I say, believe what you want to believe. Just leave me out of it.
I take no offence to your beliefs as long as you don't push it on me.:peace:

I believe, I have the largest and most beautiful Cock in the World. Plus a pair of awesome ball to go with my glorious Penis.. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
But, that's what I believe...:lol::blsmoke:

For harmless delusion, I agree completely. Although in thiscase you attribute things to you that only I possess. :lol: But that aside.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt allof us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They allhurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. Theymake us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is aGodhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefsin fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493

Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do isnothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.

Regards
DL
 

MojoRison

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Questions I've asked my self...

If I suffer from delusional states, which some are truth and which some are not, for me they are inseparable, how do I distinguish between them for each "seems" to be the true reality. You must ask a witness to confirm or deny said states and if that witness is also suffering from delusional states, we will not in some way form a consistent reality which suits both parties.

Edit: Yes I'm high ;)
 

Greatest I am

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Questions I've asked my self...

If I suffer from delusional states, which some are truth and which some are not, for me they are inseparable, how do I distinguish between them for each "seems" to be the true reality. You must ask a witness to confirm or deny said states and if that witness is also suffering from delusional states, we will not in some way form a consistent reality which suits both parties.

Edit: Yes I'm high ;)
That is a delusion.;) I guess it depends on the importance of the delusion but it is always good to have confirmation of everything we believe because as a comedian said a while back, reality is just a collective hunch. If you ever believe for instance that you can fly without a plane, I would suggest confirming it with a flight over water before trying it over land. Regards DL
 

eye exaggerate

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Questions I've asked my self...

If I suffer from delusional states, which some are truth and which some are not, for me they are inseparable, how do I distinguish between them for each "seems" to be the true reality. You must ask a witness to confirm or deny said states and if that witness is also suffering from delusional states, we will not in some way form a consistent reality which suits both parties.

Edit: Yes I'm high ;)

Sounds like daily living if you ask me :)
 

GreyLord

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Grey,

You get the privilege of pretending to know what happens when you die. I'm sure it is very comforting. I wish i could do that, sincerely. Maybe i am just jealous that i can't.
I don't think you absorbed anything I wrote. I'm not pretending anything, I know what I know. It's sad that you cannot conceive living free of fear.
 

Sunbiz1

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who honestly believes a snake can talk ?
I would have to answer, it is those who interpret a Bible full of symbolism literally who are mentally retarded.

Although I must admit, picturing a donkey talking to Balaam as described in the book of Numbers is downright comical.:mrgreen:
 

Padawanbater2

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After more consideration, I would agree, if there are people out there who believe the bible is literally true 100%, that is, speaking to animals and raising the dead, yes, they are mentally retarded. Misinformed or ignorant would save for those that simply didn't understand what they were saying completely (imo, another form of mental retardation), but those people that fully accept what they believe in, absolutely mentally retarded.
 
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