Your body, not mine. This thread is full of cognitive dissonance from all the meat eaters. That's not an attack, either. The fact that vegetarian diets increase lifespan and decrease risk of disease, along with our physiology, shows we are herbivores. You can choose to eat meat, making you an omnivore, but that doesn't mean your body was meant to digest animal flesh. TRUE carnivores cannot get clogged arteries.. and atherosclerosis is one of the leading killers among humans.
People who call themselves "hunters"
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kinetic
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I consume very little red meat and eat oatmeal nearly everyday for breakfast. Fish doesn't clog ones arteries, care to expound on that?
see4
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Please site the bolded statement. If its going to be some naturalnews link, don't bother. Site your argument with credible documentation.
Fish is potentially full of mercury and other toxic chemicals because humans have significantly polluted many bodies of water. However, fish may not even feel pain.. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/02/fish-feel-pain_n_3533607.html.
Jimmyjonestoo
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Are we seriously still talking about this?
guy incognito
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I checked into and found a plethora of information about athersclerosis and found carnivores actually can get clogged arteries just like most other animals. The problem was when animals were fed diets not consistent with how they are designed to digest. Meat heavy diets caused clogged arteries in herbivores, and starch and sugar heavy diets caused clogged arteries in true carnivores.
I have not done enough research on the subject to get to the bottom of it, but a mere 5 minutes on google showed me several examples that are in contradiction with jtprins assertions.
Nothing he says should be taken seriously anyway. He is unable to evaluate evidence and draw accurate conclusions. He is easily swayed by pseudoscience and glosses over any information that fits his agenda without the slightest bit of scrutiny. He is a full on anti-vaxxer. Seriously, he is anti vaccine. That means he doesn't listen to reason or evidence.
I have not done enough research on the subject to get to the bottom of it, but a mere 5 minutes on google showed me several examples that are in contradiction with jtprins assertions.
Nothing he says should be taken seriously anyway. He is unable to evaluate evidence and draw accurate conclusions. He is easily swayed by pseudoscience and glosses over any information that fits his agenda without the slightest bit of scrutiny. He is a full on anti-vaxxer. Seriously, he is anti vaccine. That means he doesn't listen to reason or evidence.
Prove your sources. I just posted a link that proved the exact opposite, unless you remove the thyroid gland from carnivores.
ASMALLVOICE
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Hell man, it isn't what you eat that is going to kill you, it is worrying about what you eat that will kill you. Now go kill something and eat it, a plant, or animal, something has to die, so that you may live, there is no way to skirt it m8, it is what it is.
Peace
Asmallvoice
Peace
Asmallvoice
By the way, I don't have an agenda. I was not raised vegan or vegetarian and I only know one other vegan. I made the decision to go vegan based on becoming more educated about nutrition and health in general. I also care about the life of other creatures... such a biased agenda!
see4
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Close, but not quite. I will circle back around to that in a moment.
But first, I argue that humans are omnivores; while in the womb, we require proteins, amino acids, and digest food, opportunistically from our mother as she consumes food. Once out of the womb, we humans, eat, and require both animal and plant matter in order to sustain health and reproduction. Based solely on this, I contend that humans are omnivores. Because we do not have claws does not rule out this fundamental truth. You are taking evolution out of the equation as is, Im afraid, your doctor you site.
Ok, back to Dr Quack-enstein. He is arguing that humans are herbivores because we have hands and claims we do not produce vitamin C without supporting why. As it turns out, humans at one point, did in fact produce vitamin C, or rather, we were able to synthesize the protein. As mentioned earlier, evolution. Humans have evolved, whereby a particular gene, gulonolactone oxidase, is no longer present in our digestive system. I could go on, but I don't wanna.
guy incognito
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I said I haven't done enough research. I spent 5 minutes on google. I am unwilling to post links and make claims until I have thoroughly vetted the sources.
Vegetables aren't animals and no I do not eat any of those other things. I used to, but not anymore. Hunters hunt because they respect and care about the animals? How can you care about something you are about to shoot in the head? Humans are directly responsible for why a variety of animals are close to extinction.
You asked me to post a link proving herbivores cannot get atherosclerosis, and I did. Then you ignore that and start to pick and choose how humans MAY have (didn't even cite a source) produced their own vitamin C in the past. What about the entire laundry list of characteristics humans share with herbivores?
PaxEtBonum
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<br>Okay, you're still ignoring reality. From the Melbourne Museum: "Bamboo is the major component of their diet, but wild Giant Pandas also eat bulbs, grasses and <strong>some small animals</strong>."<br>
<br>From Wikipedia: "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; ">A horse can have between zero and four canine teeth, also known as tusks (tushes for the deciduous precursor), with a clear prevalence towards male horses (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stallion" title="Stallion" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">stallions</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelding" title="Gelding" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">geldings</a>) who normally have a full set of four. Fewer than 28% of female horses (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mare" title="Mare" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">mares</a>) have any canine teeth. Those that do normally only have one or two, and these may by only partially erupted.<sup id="cite_ref-Cirelli_2-0" class="reference" style="line-height: 1em; unicode-bidi: -webkit-isolate; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; "><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_teeth#cite_note-Cirelli-2" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; white-space: nowrap; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a></sup></span><p style="margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; line-height: 1.5em; ">Between 13 and 32% of horses, split equally between male and female, also have <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_teeth" title="Wolf teeth" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">wolf teeth</a>, which are not related to canine teeth, but are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial" title="Vestigial" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: initial; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">vestigial</a> premolars."<br><br>The presence of lower canines in male deer and elk (but its absence in females) and by watching mating rituals, one can tell that the teeth are used for mating competition. These animals are not predatory and have lower canines much like an elephant and many other animals have tusks: for fighting and protection.<br><br>Our physiology is not vegetarian. You are picking and choosing which points to address, and then addressing even your cherry-picked points very poorly.<br><br>It is not "meat consumption" that raises risks and lowers life expectancy. It is excessive meat consumption that does this. Get your facts straight. Meat gives us many vital nutrients.<br><br>Also, your holier than thou attitude on this speaks volumes to the fact that you don't really know much about the rest of the world, or even very large portions of the United States where people exist within a food desert. You're rallying on about how our diets are a choice. That's first world bitching. Diet may be a choice for those of us engaged in a bullshit online argument with someone in possession of very little logic, but for many in the world... when there's a chicken to be eaten... you eat the chicken or you die. <br><br>And for the record, I've been a vegetarian for probably longer than you've been alive--minus the two times I eat meat each year on holidays. You are dead wrong about physiology. Just because you want something to be factual doesn't make that thing a fact. Cite one nonbiased scientific paper that posits we're herbivores.</p>
PaxEtBonum
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What the hell happened to my post?