People who call themselves "hunters"

[beardo]

The only reason I don't kill people if they irritate me enough is because someone else will kill me, or throw me in jail.

That's what his step dad was thinking

 

[PaxEtBonum]

Well I still view it all the same. The only reason I don't kill people if they irritate me enough is because someone else will kill me, or throw me in jail. If I kill a mosquito then a swarm of mosquitoes doesn't come for revenge. People can carry diseases that kill us too

If the only reason you're not killing people is due to the fear of retribution... um... you should look into some books on psychopathology. Fear of someone enacting revenge is about the worst motivator for ethical behavior that I've ever heard of, Skuxx. But, well, at least there are laws in place that keep you from killing humans. Strange that they don't stop most other people from murder, but if it keeps you in check, then the world is a better place.

Yes, people do carry diseases that kill us too. But they don't randomly run up and bite us. If they did--in this zombie scenario--we'd be killing them too and doing so ethically. It's the "quarantine clause" that no one likes to talk about.

 

[curious2garden]

If the only reason you're not killing people is due to the fear of retribution... um... you should look into some books on psychopathology. Fear of someone enacting revenge is about the worst motivator for ethical behavior that I've ever heard of, Skuxx. But, well, at least there are laws in place that keep you from killing humans. Strange that they don't stop most other people from murder, but if it keeps you in check, then the world is a better place.

Yes, people do carry diseases that kill us too. But they don't randomly run up and bite us. If they did--in this zombie scenario--we'd be killing them too and doing so ethically. It's the "quarantine clause" that no one likes to talk about.

Vectors then public health policy, fascinating and of course we are only an executive order away.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

The thing that can be hard to understand for many (we humans have a weakness toward the Lamarckian error) is that mutations precipitate change, but the change does not steer the mutations. (There is no Practice Effect.) The mutations and combinations are selected in a manner that is contemptuous of the fortunes of the individual. cn

i agree, if life's building blocks were cumulative evolutionary effect , then the theories of evolution would be much more apparent in its expressions, and have much less variation

just understanding probabilities and a small amount of mendals law(theory) of genetic expression and hereditary transfer, it is clear that mutation do not happen like we would want them to . . . . but they are not as random as some would prefer them to be either(in order to fit into new or concurrent theories) . . .more we must know

 

[Flaming Pie]

So they evolved to have a physiology that cannot handle meat properly?

That is exactly what happened. When a trait is no longer needed for survival it gets bred out of the gene pool.

 

[see4]

No animals were hurt during the making of this thread.

 

[minnesmoker]

your fighting a loosing battle jtprin and youre making the rest of us vegans and vegetarians look bad just fucking stop

Look what I found! LoL, nicely put, Sunni!

 

[jtprin]

This guy just doesn't get it. You completely ignore science and respond only to the personal point the respondent made in closing.

Okay, here's a a scientific fact for you. The reason we (the human species) craves sugar and fat and the reason they taste good to us is because back in the day they were sure fire caloric intakes. Our bodies developed in order to make these high calorie treats (meat and fruits) taste good to us so we would gorge on them when we came across them. Of course, back in the day, sugars and meats were infrequent in our diets so gorging to intake storable calories was a great idea. Today, they just make us fat.

Show me one herbivore with canine teeth. Just one. Show me one herbivore that has evolved canine teeth.

You should have made your argument based upon the ethics and sustainability of a vegetarian lifestyle. When you chose to argue science--when you don't know much about science--you landed yourself in a hilarious predicament.

And don't talk about primates as if you understood them. The ones who don't peel the banana do so because it's easier to break it in half and squeeze the banana into the mouth. Also, you're comparing a human primate tactic (peeling) with a non-human primate tactic. You do realize that our opposable thumbs are the reason we approach tasks differently, right?

Our bodies naturally developed a taste for something because of the nutrients in those foods. You crave meat because you likely grew up eating it your entire life and had it forced down your throat since you were a kid. Just because you crave meat, that doesn't mean you're a carnivore and it's absolutely hilarious that you would even think so. Show you one herbivore with canines? Wow, way to show how ignorant you are on this topic yet trying to act like a genius. How about gorillas? Pandas, horses, deer? I hope that you realize that nothing of what you are saying is even relevant anyways. Nothing changes the fact that our physiology is 100% herbivorous and it's proven that not only does meat consumption increase risk of disease but it lowers lifespan as well. But go ahead, keep eating meat and thinking it's really good for even though you're filtering your nutrients through something else.

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

Quite frankly I just laugh when people think of themselves as "hunters" and think they're talented. Sitting in a tree for five hours with a loaded gun is not hunting and it's pure comedy that some people think it is. Or when people go to an enclosed area and hunt, there can't be anything more pathetic than that. REAL hunting would require you to physically run down and catch whatever it is you want to eat and then tear them open with your bare hands to get the 'parts' you want to eat. Besides, what makes your life more valuable than an animals (speciesism)? This concept right here is the basis of all forms of discrimination or hatred. Hatred is learned and so is speciesism, which is the belief that humans are superior to other forms of life (not at all). What makes racism so bad but speciesism perfectly fine?

Humans are not natural carnivores nor are they omnivores and meat eating is one of the biggest contributors to rapidly increasing disease, even grass-fed w/ no antibiotics or hormones. We don't have sharp fangs or claws to rip into flesh, and physiologically, the human body is 100% herbivorous. We have carbohydrate digestive enzymes in our saliva, only found in herbivores. Our intestines are within the same range as all other herbivores. Our lower jaw goes side to side to in a grinding motion, carnivores jaws go up and down. They also eat the animals raw, on the spot, something humans would get extremely sick from. TRUE carnivores never get clogged arteries. Guess what's one of the biggest killers in America? Arthrosclerosis, or clogged arteries... I wonder why.

be sure to think that way next time you reach into your refrigerator and grab your NOM-NOMS

 

[jtprin]

Everything gray is where none of those fruits grow, so why do the people that live there have K9's?

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Because I have an entire list of every plant based food that may need the use of canine teeth. There are a variety of foods that weren't listed.

 

[jtprin]

You keep chanting this arrant lie as if it were fact. cn

How is it not? Explain how we are physiologically carnivorous.

 

[jtprin]

Okay. This thread is obviously reached the end of sanity. You have a non-scientist proclaiming that we are physiologically herbivores, which is utterly a lie and spits in the face of all historical data and also our evolutionary history and the facts represented by the expressions of our predatory genes (our canines and the positioning of our eyeballs in the front of our skulls).

Look, I know the OP read some vegan manifesto that argues that we are herbivores, but I can tell you with complete faith in science and graduate studies in evolutionary biology that we are not herbivores. All scientific data and all of history supports this fact. The human species is omnivorous, and has been for hundreds of thousands of years. Even leading proponents of vegetarianism admit that we're omnivores. Ever hear of a book called "The Omnivores Dilemma"?

Here's what NPR has to say on the subject. It's short. You should read it.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/04/20/150817741/for-most-of-human-history-being-an-omnivore-was-no-dilemma

Meat doesn't provide anything you need that plant based foods cannot provide. Yes, we needed to eat meat sometimes to survive, but for most of us it's not like that anymore. We have the option to go to a grocery store and pick and choose which foods to buy. What's the reason to continue eating meat even though it's directly linked to a lower lifespan and increased risk of chronic disease?

 

[cannabineer]

How is it not? Explain how we are physiologically carnivorous.

Has the point passed you by that the onus of supporting your claim falls on you? I challenged your claim, and your attitude is "Prove me wrong"? You just forfeited whatever pass you had left to any claims of "debate". cn

 

[see4]

cn, are you seriously trying to debate this kid?

he couldn't argue his way into giving someone money.

 

[Indagrow]

Well at least we found a new fin till he comes back in little pieces from Mexico.

jtprin you seem smart enough to venture off into the woods and be eaten by a plant.

 

[woody333333]

Well at least we found a new fin till he comes back in little pieces from Mexico.

jtprin you seem smart enough to venture off into the woods and be eaten by a plant.

i dont think hes made it there yet.......

 

[kinetic]

Ironic how jprin's antagonistic high horse riding self rightousness caused people from here to consume meat in the last 24 hours to spite him because of this thread. So now jprin you by proxy have the blood of innocent animals on your hand. I shall make some bacon tonight in your honor, which I didn't plan on doing but your thread has inspired me to go out and pick some bacon up.

 

[sunni]

Ironic how jprin's antagonistic high horse riding self rightousness caused people from here to consume meat in the last 24 hours to spite him because of this thread. So now jprin you by proxy have the blood of innocent animals on your hand. I shall make some bacon tonight in your honor, which I didn't plan on doing but your thread has inspired me to go out and pick some bacon up.

yeah i said that was gunna happen LOL if you want to change people you cannot ATTACK them lol

 

[dirtsurfr]

Ironic how jprin's antagonistic high horse riding self rightousness caused people from here to consume meat in the last 24 hours to spite him because of this thread. So now jprin you by proxy have the blood of innocent animals on your hand. I shall make some bacon tonight in your honor, which I didn't plan on doing but your thread has inspired me to go out and pick some bacon up.

You said BACON!!!! Now I'm hungry.

 

[jtprin]

Has the point passed you by that the onus of supporting your claim falls on you? I challenged your claim, and your attitude is "Prove me wrong"? You just forfeited whatever pass you had left to any claims of "debate". cn

It's basic human physiology, what else more is there to explain?