Obama gave us commerce by gun to your head; enslavement to health care sector

UncleBuck

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The economy has not gotten much better and yet gas is still double...
the stock market is way up, corporate profits are at record highs, yet you're stating that the economy is still pretty sucky and hungover from the bush recession.

i guess that's your way of admitting that trickle down doesn't trickle down then.
 

Mr Neutron

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too bad that your taxes did not change under obama, old man. nothing changed.
Have you ever heard of inflation? Or are you the only one who has not experienced food and fuel price increases?

my grandma has purchased new appliances since retiring. did you not save yourself any money and are now just hanging on by a SS check?
I don't get SS. Your grandma? Good for her. Was she a member of a public union, too?

then nothing changed. but if you do rely on or use meals on wheels or other food assistance, you got help.
Well, I know this is hard for you to believe but I do not rely on anybody. That's the main reason I moved here.

$14.2 billion to give one-time $250 payments to Social Security recipients, people on Supplemental Security Income, and veterans receiving disability and pensions.
As I said above, I do not get SS.
 

fb360

Active Member
The economy has not gotten much better and yet gas is still double...
Tripled, and that is a good estimate of inflation in our economy. Red meat has more than tripled, white meat has more than doubled; Forget about lobster, crab, shrimp and other exotic meats unless you are making money.

I agree with this thread from the very first post. As a small business owner, it is absurd what we are now held to in terms of heath insurance for our employees; either pay the new obamacare fee, or pay a larger fee to pay for our own insurance (start of communism). It is a unconstitutional tax that is being let through at this point in time. (Health care is used by EVERYONE, therefore any charge based upon health support is a TAX). Try argue otherwise fools.
 

UncleBuck

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Have you ever heard of inflation? Or are you the only one who has not experienced food and fuel price increases?
this inflation you speak of...what is the current rate of inflation, and what has the rate of inflaion been historically? :lol:

dumbass.

I don't get SS.
then why bitch about being retired or on a fixed income? that is basically saying you are retired and on SS.

$900 a month like you get seems a bit low, but you do seem to be a bit of a self entitled leech, so it makes sense.

Well, I know this is hard for you to believe but I do not rely on anybody.
until you want to get your dick wet. then you are reliant upon fat, mustachioed, discount mexican hookers.
 

Mr Neutron

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this inflation you speak of...what is the current rate of inflation, and what has the rate of inflaion been historically? :lol:
Do you mean the Federal Reserve's version of inflation or real inflation? Or have food and fuel prices not gone up in fairytale land?

then why bitch about being retired or on a fixed income? that is basically saying you are retired and on SS.
This "bitching" that you refer to so many times, I don't understand. Can you not understand the English language other than dumbass, fucktard and such? Maybe it's time for your diaper to be changed and a nap.

If you interpret it that way, basically, you are ignorant.

$900 a month like you get seems a bit low, but you do seem to be a bit of a self entitled leech, so it makes sense.
I would like to reply to this but apparently what makes sense to you... does not make sense. When you quit foaming at the mouth, try it again.

until you want to get your dick wet. then you are reliant upon fat, mustachioed, discount mexican hookers.
LOL, oooh, that hurt. I think your infatuation/fetish with this type, stems from a deep seeded desire for your mother... is she a hairy, overweight whore?

Or maybe it's your imaginary sister that you claimed to have then tried to say you didn't have a sister... "oh what a tangled web we weave..."

"Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time..."
 

UncleBuck

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Or maybe it's your imaginary sister that you claimed to have then tried to say you didn't have a sister... "oh what a tangled web we weave..."
that was you trying to deceive. i clearly stated that it was my sister in law who teaches. i don't have a sister.

now get back to being reliant upon hookers because you have no game and are a disgusting old man who is still fighting the cold war.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Now Now Neutron...

We have to blame gas prices on middle east unrest... It cannot possibly be the Obama administration...

And we have to blame food price increases on the drought. It has nothing to do with QE(infinity).

And we have to point to the nearly flat inflation rate (not counting the things that actually inflate first) to show you that there is simply nothing to see here...

Now move along like a good citizen...
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Now Now Neutron...

We have to blame gas prices on middle east unrest... It cannot possibly be the Obama administration...

And we have to blame food price increases on the drought. It has nothing to do with QE(infinity).

And we have to point to the nearly flat inflation rate (not counting the things that actually inflate first) to show you that there is simply nothing to see here...

Now move along like a good citizen...
volatile commodities are not included in inflation.

gas prices went up as we got out of the massive recession the last GOP administration left us.

believe it or not, the drought did drive up food prices (supply and demand, how does that work? magnets?).

and like it or not, inflation did exist before january 2009, right when obama came in and gave tax breaks to retired, fixed income people like neutron.

but ignore facts.
 

Rob Roy

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what happens if you work for a company but they only give you 36 hours of work a week just so that you don't get benefits ?? it's a very common practice today.

and i have a health issue now that i can't get looked at simply for the fact that i don't have healthcare.. there is no way in hell i'm getting a surgery that would cost me tens of thousands of dollars, no matter how much pain i maybe in at times..
You aren't free to seek other employment?
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
You aren't free to seek other employment?

Perhaps - but those who are sick with asbestosis, black lung or any of the the other work related maladies that employees contract before they are ever made aware of the danger - are not.

Your plan would be pretty final for them. After all, eventualy, after 50 or more years, those companies that harmed their employees would have a hard time finding more workers - is that how it works?
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Perhaps - but those who are sick with asbestosis, black lung or any of the the other work related maladies that employees contract before they are ever made aware of the danger - are not.

Your plan would be pretty final for them. After all, eventualy, after 50 or more years, those companies that harmed their employees would have a hard time finding more workers - is that how it works?

Is that how it works? Sometimes. Aren't people free to make employment choices and can't they willingly leave jobs that they find undesireable?

Would you have a person should sue McDonalds' if "McDonald's made them fat" or sue R.J. Reynold's if they contracted lung cancer? Where does a person's ownership of the consequences of their actions begin and end?

If a person is harmed and another party committed fraud, then the other party is responsible for restituting the harmed party. If a person is harmed thru choices of their own free will, who is to blame?

As far as black lung, you raise a good point. One question I might ask were the workers unaware that others had contracted diseases and that they might too? Where does personal responsibility begin and end? In the employer / employee relationship it can cut both ways.
 

canndo

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Is that how it works? Sometimes. Aren't people free to make employment choices and can't they willingly leave jobs that they find undesireable?

Would you have a person should sue McDonalds' if "McDonald's made them fat" or sue R.J. Reynold's if they contracted lung cancer? Where does a person's ownership of the consequences of their actions begin and end?

If a person is harmed and another party committed fraud, then the other party is responsible for restituting the harmed party. If a person is harmed thru choices of their own free will, who is to blame?

As far as black lung, you raise a good point. One question I might ask were the workers unaware that others had contracted diseases and that they might too? Where does personal responsibility begin and end? In the employer / employee relationship it can cut both ways.


Your problem is that you want to conjure governmental enforcement out of thin air. You want "fraud" punished but you don't say who will do it or how they will do it because you want a completely docile and impotent government.

In most cases workers either have no choice but to work in conditions they know are detrimental to their health because they figure that a lack of food is more detrimental to them and their families than a work related illness 20 years down the road, or they never knew - as in the case of many of the asbestos cases.

Your world just doesn't match up with the often brutish realities of business.
 

canndo

Well-Known Member
Would you have a person should sue McDonalds' if "McDonald's made them fat" or sue R.J. Reynold's if they contracted lung cancer? Where does a person's ownership of the consequences of their actions begin and end?

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Let us take the cigarette example - now, after everyone is fully aware that cigarettes are a direct cause of cancer, few would have a case. When the government first came out with their findings - tobacco manufacturers spread lies using very powerful PR machines that cigaretes did not cause cancer and that the studies were flawed, even though they knew the truth full well. It is still the potential smoker's chioce but he can not have been informed enough to know. Furthermore, we know that cigarette manufacturers caused their products to be even more addicting than natural tobacco - addiction diminishes choice. In this case, what you have is the appearance of choice - something that many actually believe is the real thing.


The same holds with McDonnalds - The company spends billions on focus groups and scientists that learn to tweek the pleasure centers of the brain in order to get their customers to eat their food in spite of their belief that those burgers are probably not too good for you. Furthermore, there are additional billions spent on PR campaigns that have the effect of changing people's minds and diminishing their ability to "choose".
 

NLXSK1

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Let us take the cigarette example - now, after everyone is fully aware that cigarettes are a direct cause of cancer, few would have a case. When the government first came out with their findings - tobacco manufacturers spread lies using very powerful PR machines that cigaretes did not cause cancer and that the studies were flawed, even though they knew the truth full well. It is still the potential smoker's chioce but he can not have been informed enough to know. Furthermore, we know that cigarette manufacturers caused their products to be even more addicting than natural tobacco - addiction diminishes choice. In this case, what you have is the appearance of choice - something that many actually believe is the real thing.


The same holds with McDonnalds - The company spends billions on focus groups and scientists that learn to tweek the pleasure centers of the brain in order to get their customers to eat their food in spite of their belief that those burgers are probably not too good for you. Furthermore, there are additional billions spent on PR campaigns that have the effect of changing people's minds and diminishing their ability to "choose".
YES, they made their food taste good DAMNIT!!!

If a gorgeous supermodel walks down the street do you rape her because God tweeked the pleasure centers of your brain???

Self control, it is not just for perverts anymore...
 

canndo

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YES, they made their food taste good DAMNIT!!!

If a gorgeous supermodel walks down the street do you rape her because God tweeked the pleasure centers of your brain???

Self control, it is not just for perverts anymore...

With sugar and salt and fat, yes, they made their food taste good, and then they convinced children to demand that they go there with little toys and slides so that they would be more and more addicted to this slop even before the kids grow up.

I have told you over and over again, big business does not spend billions a year on PR, advertisement and marketing because it doesn't work.


Notice that I said some folks believe the appearance of choice is choice. Seems you are one of them
 

Rob Roy

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Your problem is that you want to conjure governmental enforcement out of thin air. You want "fraud" punished but you don't say who will do it or how they will do it because you want a completely docile and impotent government.

In most cases workers either have no choice but to work in conditions they know are detrimental to their health because they figure that a lack of food is more detrimental to them and their families than a work related illness 20 years down the road, or they never knew - as in the case of many of the asbestos cases.

Your world just doesn't match up with the often brutish realities of business.
What is brutish is when one one entity, like government, has a monopoly on the use of force. As far as conjuring "government" , you imply that only thru "government" bad things can be avoided, wrongs corrected and "justice" can happen. That is a fairy tale.

You still have some reading to do...
 

Samwell Seed Well

Well-Known Member
government has a monopoly on j walking too man they are fucked up . . .not for good reasons like fast and furious or NDAA act(or whatever the abbre.)

or patriot act, Guantanamo . . . .

definitely the use of force, or controlling dancing like in dirty dancing the movie, except in Washingotn DC on a holiday weekend
 

Rob Roy

Well-Known Member
Your problem is that you want to conjure governmental enforcement out of thin air. You want "fraud" punished but you don't say who will do it or how they will do it because you want a completely docile and impotent government.

In most cases workers either have no choice but to work in conditions they know are detrimental to their health because they figure that a lack of food is more detrimental to them and their families than a work related illness 20 years down the road, or they never knew - as in the case of many of the asbestos cases.

Your world just doesn't match up with the often brutish realities of business.

...an excerpt from a Murray Rothbard article. My apologies for the length, some things cannot be answered in a simple sentence...

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]the advocates of government see initiated force (the legal force of government) as the only solution to social disputes. According to them, if everyone in society were not forced to use the same court system … disputes would be insoluble. Apparently it doesn't occur to them that disputing parties are capable of freely choosing their own arbiters…. they have not realized that disputants would, in fact, be far better off if they could choose among competing arbitration agencies so that they could reap the benefits of competition and specialization. It should be obvious that a court system which has a monopoly guaranteed by the force of statutory law will not give as good quality service as will free-market arbitration agencies which must compete for their customers…. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Perhaps the least tenable argument for government arbitration of disputes is the one which holds that governmental judges are more impartial because they operate outside the market and so have no vested interests…. Owning political allegiance to government is certainly no guarantee of impartiality! A governmental judge is always impelled to be partial – in favor of the government, from whom he gets his pay and his power! On the other hand, an arbiter who sells his services in a free market knows that he must be as scrupulously honest, fair, and impartial as possible or no pair of disputants will buy his services to arbitrate their dispute. A free-market arbiter depends for his livelihood on his skill and fairness at settling disputes. A governmental judge depends on political pull.[5][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If desired, furthermore, the contracting parties could provide in advance for a series of arbitrators:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It would be more economical and in most cases quite sufficient to have only one arbitration agency to hear the case. But if the parties felt that a further appeal might be necessary and were willing to risk the extra expense, they could provide for a succession of two or even more arbitration agencies. The names of these agencies would be written into the contract in order from the "first court of appeal" to the "last court of appeal." It would be neither necessary nor desirable to have one single, final court of appeal for every person in the society, as we have today in the United States Supreme Court.[6][/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Arbitration, then, poses little difficulty for a portrayal of the free society. But what of torts or crimes of aggression where there has been no contract? Or suppose that the breaker of a contract defies the arbitration award? Is ostracism enough? In short, how can courts develop in the free-market anarchist society which will have the power to enforce judgments against criminals or contract breakers?[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the wide sense, defense service consists of guards or police who use force in defending person and property against attack, and judges or courts whose role is to use socially accepted procedures to determine who the criminals or tortfeasors are, as well as to enforce judicial awards, such as damages or the keeping of contracts. On the free market, many scenarios are possible on the relationship between the private courts and the police; they may be "vertically integrated," for example, or their services may be supplied by separate firms. Furthermore, it seems likely that police service will be supplied by insurance companies who will provide crime insurance to their clients. In that case, insurance companies will pay off the victims of crime or the breaking of contracts or arbitration awards and then pursue the aggressors in court to recoup their losses. There is a natural market connection between insurance companies and defense service, since they need pay out less benefits in proportion as they are able to keep down the rate of crime.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Courts might either charge fees for their services, with the losers of cases obliged to pay court costs, or else they may subsist on monthly or yearly premiums by their clients, who may be either individuals or the police or insurance agencies. Suppose, for example, that Smith is an aggrieved party, either because he has been assaulted or robbed, or because an arbitration award in his favor has not been honored. Smith believes that Jones is the party guilty of the crime. Smith then goes to a court, Court A, of which he is a client, and brings charges against Jones as a defendant. In my view, the hallmark of an anarchist society is one where no man may legally compel someone who is not a convicted criminal to do anything, since that would be aggression against an innocent man's person or property. Therefore, Court A can only invite rather than subpoena Jones to attend his trial. Of course, if Jones refused to appear or send a representative, his side of the case will not be heard. The trial of Jones proceeds. Suppose that Court A finds Jones innocent. In my view, part of the generally accepted law code of the anarchist society (on which see further below) is that this must end the matter unless Smith can prove charges of gross incompetence or bias on the part of the court.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Suppose, next, that Court A finds Jones guilty. Jones might accept the verdict, because he too is a client of the same court, because he knows he is guilty, or for some other reason. In that case, Court A proceeds to exercise judgment against Jones. Neither of these instances poses very difficult problems for our picture of the anarchist society. But suppose, instead, that Jones contests the decision; he then goes to his court, Court B, and the case is retried there. Suppose that Court B, too, finds Jones guilty. Again, it seems to me that the accepted law code of the anarchist society will assert that this ends the matter; both parties have had their say in courts which each has selected, and the decision for guilt is unanimous.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Suppose, however, the most difficult case: that Court B finds Jones innocent. The two courts, each subscribed to by one of the two parties, have split their verdicts. In that case, the two courts will submit the case to an appeals court, or arbitrator, which the two courts agree upon. There seems to be no real difficulty about the concept of an appeals court. As in the case of arbitration contracts, it seems very likely that the various private courts in the society will have prior agreements to submit their disputes to a particular appeals court. How will the appeals judges be chosen? Again, as in the case of arbitrators or of the first judges on the free market, they will be chosen for their expertise and their reputation for efficiency, honesty, and integrity. Obviously, appeals judges who are inefficient or biased will scarcely be chosen by courts who will have a dispute. The point here is that there is no need for a legally established or institutionalized single, monopoly appeals court system, as states now provide. There is no reason why there cannot arise a multitude of efficient and honest appeals judges who will be selected by the disputant courts, just as there are numerous private arbitrators on the market today. The appeals court renders its decision, and the courts proceed to enforce it if, in our example, Jones is considered guilty – unless, of course, Jones can prove bias in some other court proceedings.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]No society can have unlimited judicial appeals, for in that case there would be no point to having judges or courts at all. Therefore, every society, whether statist or anarchist, will have to have some socially accepted cutoff point for trials and appeals. My suggestion is the rule that the agreement of any two courts, be decisive. "Two" is not an arbitrary figure, for it reflects the fact that there are two parties, the plaintiff and the defendant, to any alleged crime or contract dispute.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If the courts are to be empowered to enforce decision against guilty parties, does this not bring back the state in another form and thereby negate anarchism? No, for at the beginning of this paper I explicitly defined anarchism in such a way as not to rule out the use of defensive force – force in defense of person and property – by privately supported agencies. In the same way, it is not bringing back the state to allow persons to use force to defend themselves against aggression, or to hire guards or police agencies to defend them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It should be noted, however, that in the anarchist society there will be no "district attorney" to press charges on behalf of "society." Only the victims will press charges as the plaintiffs. If, then, these victims should happen to be absolute pacifists who are opposed even to defensive force, then they will simply not press charges in the courts or otherwise retaliate against those who have aggressed against them. In a free society that would be their right. If the victim should suffer from murder, then his heir would have the right to press the charges.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What of the Hatfield-and-McCoy problem? Suppose that a Hatfield kills a McCoy, and that McCoy's heir does not belong to a private insurance, police agency, or court, and decides to retaliate himself? Since under anarchism there can be no coercion of the noncriminal, McCoy would have the perfect right to do so. No one may be compelled to bring his case to a court. Indeed, since the right to hire police or courts flows form the right of self-defense against aggression, it would be inconsistent and in contradiction to the very basis of the free society to institute such compulsion. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Suppose, then, that the surviving McCoy finds what he believes to be the guilty Hatfield and kills him in turn? What then? This is fine, except that McCoy may have to worry about charges being brought against him by a surviving Hatfield. Here it must be emphasized that in the law of the anarchist society based on defense against aggression, the courts would not be able to proceed against McCoy if in fact he killed the right Hatfield. His problem would arise if the courts should find that he made a grievous mistake and killed the wrong man; in that case, he in turn would be found guilty of murder. Surely, in most instances, individuals will wish to obviate such problems by taking their case to a court and thereby gain social acceptability for their defensive retaliation – not for the act of retaliation but for the correctness of deciding who the criminal in any given case might be. The purpose of the judicial process, indeed, is to find a way of general agreement on who might be the criminal or contract breaker in any given case. The judicial process is not a good in itself; thus, in the case of an assassination, such as Jack Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald, on public television, there is no need for a complex judicial process, since the name of the murderer is evident to all. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Will not the possibility exist of a private court that may turn venal and dishonest, or of a private police force that turns criminal and extorts money by coercion? Of course such an event may occur, given the propensities of human nature. Anarchism is not a moral cure-all. But the important point is that market forces exist to place severe checks on such possibilities, especially in contrast to a society where a state exists. For, in the first place, judges, like arbitrators, will prosper on the market in proportion to their reputation for efficiency and impartiality. Secondly, on the free market important checks and balances exist against venal courts or criminal police forces. Namely, that there are competing courts and police agencies to whom victims may turn for redress. If the "Prudential Police Agency" should turn outlaw and extract revenue from victims by coercion, the latter would have the option of turning to the "Mutual" or "Equitable" Police Agency for defense and for pressing charges against Prudential. These are the genuine "checks and balances" of the free market, genuine in contrast to the phony check and balances of a state system, where all the alleged "balancing" agencies are in the hands of one monopoly government. Indeed, given the monopoly "protection service" of a state, what is there to prevent a state from using its monopoly channels of coercion to extort money from the public? What are the checks and limits of the state? None, except for the extremely difficult course of revolution against a power with all of the guns in its hands. In fact, the state provides an easy, legitimated channel for crime and aggression, since it has its very being in the crime of tax theft, and the coerced monopoly of "protection." It is the state, indeed, that functions as a mighty "protection racket" on a giant and massive scale. It is the state that says: "Pay us for your 'protection' or else." In the light of the massive and inherent activities of the state, the danger of a "protection racket" emerging from one or more private police agencies is relatively small indeed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Moreover, it must be emphasized that a crucial element in the power of the state is its legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the public, the fact that after centuries of propaganda, the depredations of the state are looked upon rather as benevolent services. Taxation is generally not seen as theft, nor war as mass murder, nor conscription as slavery. Should a private police agency turn outlaw, should "Prudential" become a protection racket, it would then lack the social legitimacy which the state has managed to accrue to itself over the centuries. "Prudential" would be seen by all as bandits, rather than as legitimate or divinely appointed "sovereigns" bent on promoting the "common good" or the "general welfare." And lacking such legitimacy, "Prudential" would have to face the wrath of the public and the defense and retaliation of the other private defense agencies, the police and courts, on the free market. Given these inherent checks and limits, a successful transformation from a free society to bandit rule becomes most unlikely. Indeed, historically, it has been very difficult for a state to arise to supplant a stateless society; usually, it has come about through external conquest rather than by evolution from within a society.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Within the anarchist camp, there has been much dispute on whether the private courts would have to be bound by a basic, common law code. Ingenious attempts have been made to work out a system where the laws or standards of decision-making by the courts would differ completely from one to another.[7] But in my view all would have to abide by the basic law code, in particular, prohibition of aggression against person and property, in order to fulfill our definition of anarchism as a system which provides no legal sanction for such aggression. Suppose, for example, that one group of people in society holds that all redheads are demons who deserve to be shot on sight. Suppose that Jones, one of this group, shoots Smith, a redhead. Suppose that Smith or his heir presses charges in a court, but that Jones's court, in philosophic agreement with Jones, finds him innocent therefore. It seems to me that in order to be considered legitimate, any court would have to follow the basic libertarian law code of the inviolate right of person and property. For otherwise, courts might legally subscribe to a code which sanctions such aggression in various cases, and which to that extent would violate the definition of anarchism and introduce, if not the state, then a strong element of statishness or legalized aggression into the society.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But again I see no insuperable difficulties here. For in that case, anarchists, in agitating for their creed, will simply include in their agitation the idea of a general libertarian law code as part and parcel of the anarchist creed of abolition of legalized aggression against person or property in the society.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In contrast to the general law code, other aspects of court decisions could legitimately vary in accordance with the market or the wishes of the clients; for example, the language the cases will be conducted in, the number of judges to be involved, and so on.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]There are other problems of the basic law code which there is no time to go into here: for example, the definition of just property titles or the question of legitimate punishment of convicted offenders – though the latter problem of course exists in statist legal systems as well.[8] The basic point, however, is that the state is not needed to arrive at legal principles or their elaboration: indeed, much of the common law, the law merchant, admiralty law, and private law in general, grew up apart from the state, by judges not making the law but finding it on the basis of agreed-upon principles derived either from custom or reason.[9] The idea that the state is needed to make law is as much a myth as that the state is needed to supply postal or police services.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Enough has been said here, I believe, to indicate that an anarchist system for settling disputes would be both viable and self-subsistent: that once adopted, it could work and continue indefinitely. How to arrive at that system is of course a very different problem, but certainly at the very least it will not likely come about unless people are convinced of its workability, are convinced, in short, that the state is not a necessary evil.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Notes[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][1] William C. Wooldrdige, Uncle Sam, the Monopoly Man (New Rochelle, New York: Arlington House, 1970), p. 101.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][2] Ibid., pp. 103–104.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][3] Ibid., pp. 95–96.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][4] Ibid., pp. 100–101.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][5] Morris and Linda Tannehill, The Market for Liberty (Lansing, Michigan: privately printed, 1970), pp. 65–67.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][6] Ibid., p. 68.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][7] E.g., David Friedman, The Machinery of Freedom (New York: Harper and Row, 1973).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][8] For an elaboration of these points, see Murray N. Rothbard, For a New Liberty (New York: Macmillan, 1973).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][9] Thus, see Bruno Leoni, Freedom and the Law (Princeton, New Jersey: D. Van Nostrand Co., 1961).[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Reprinted from Mises.org.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Murray N. Rothbard (1926–1995) was the author of Man, Economy, and State, Conceived in Liberty, What Has Government Done to Our Money, For a New Liberty, The Case Against the Fed, and many other books and articles. He was also the editor – with Lew Rockwell – of The Rothbard-Rockwell Report.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Murray Rothbard Archives [/FONT]​

 

Mr Neutron

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and like it or not, inflation did exist before january 2009, right when obama came in and gave tax breaks to retired, fixed income people like neutron.
I wasn't yet retired or on a fixed income in '09 but tell me more about these tax breaks, I must have missed that part.
 
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