Analytical thinking erodes belief in God

Padawanbater2

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Charles Darwin and Albert Einstein famously did not believe in a supernatural God, and neither do some scientists today. It now appears there may be a good reason for this: thinking analytically dims supernatural beliefs, apparently by opposing the intuitive thought processes that underpin them.

The vast majority of people believe in a supernatural god or gods, says social psychologistAra Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of atheists and agnostics who do not. While scientists have begun to study the psychology of belief, we know little about what causes disbelief.

Humans use two separate cognitive systems for processing information: one that is fast, emotional and intuitive, and another that is slower and more analytical.

The first system innately imputes purpose, personality or mental states to objects, leading to supernatural beliefs. People who rely more on intuitive thinking are more likely to be believers, while the more analytical are less likely. This doesn't necessarily mean analytical thinking causes disbelief, but activating analytical thinking can override the intuitive system – and vice versa. Norenzayan used this to test the causal relationship.

Analytical priming

His student Will Gervais asked 93 university students to rate their own belief in God and other supernatural agents such as angels. Then, several weeks later, they underwent "priming" for analytical thinking – they were asked to unscramble sentences that included words such as "ponder" and "rational", read text written in hard-to-read fonts, or even just look at a picture of Rodin's sculpture The Thinker.

Controls were given less analytically charged tasks: looking at Myron's Discobolus, or The Discus Thrower, unscrambling sentences containing words such as "shoes", or read text written in easy-to-read fonts.

Norenzayan and Gervais then asked the students to again rate their supernatural beliefs. The students who had been exposed to analytical priming consistently downgraded their belief in the supernatural, regardless of their previous degree of belief. This was also true of 148 adults tested online.

The simplest way to explain these effects, the team conclude, is if intuitive thinking leads to belief, and analytical thinking suppresses or overrides this process. That gives analytical thinking a causal role in disbelief.

"Our results suggest that habitual analytical thinking could be one reason scientists tend to be disbelievers," notes Norenzaya. It also suggests that – as some religious people fear – exposure to science may erode belief, not just through discoveries such as evolution, but just by promoting analytical thinking.

But before secularists start putting copies of The Thinker in classrooms, Norenzaya warns that it isn't so simple. "Many things promote religious belief", such as fear of death, he says. "You can't turn a devout believer into an atheist just by encouraging analytical thinking. Other factors will sustain belief."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21749-analytical-thinking-erodes-belief-in-god.html



Interesting article, thoughts?
 

tyler.durden

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Another interesting post, Pad. I used to think that scientific discovery would erode religious belief since the two belief systems are so incompatible. Somehow, many theists twist scientific facts as evidence for a god instead of evidence against. I've said this before, but I find it interesting that religion tries it's best to be friends with science, but science seems to want nothing to do with religion. I wonder why this is?
 

Zaehet Strife

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Another interesting post, Pad. I used to think that scientific discovery would erode religious belief since the two belief systems are so incompatible. Somehow, many theists twist scientific facts as evidence for a god instead of evidence against. I've said this before, but I find it interesting that religion tries it's best to be friends with science, but science seems to want nothing to do with religion. I wonder why this is?
Because science is based on evidence, and religion has absolutely none (faith), which results in science thinking that religion is just made up flim flammery to make people feel better. Maybe.
 

BA142

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Well it makes sense. Anybody that can think rationally would reject the existence of the Judeo-Christian God as well as any other God...:bigjoint:

There's a big reason why such a large percentage of scientists reject the concept of God....it's called a complete lack of evidence
 

DreamTime

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Because science is based on evidence, and religion has absolutely none (faith), which results in science thinking that religion is just made up flim flammery to make people feel better. Maybe.
Agreed. but would also suggest another reason:
Religion needs science, but science does not need religion.

True believers may thumb their nose at evolution, the big bang and anything else that doesn't fit their beliefs, but when they need a satellite to broadcast their message of salvation to non-believers in a neighboring state, or a cruise missile to send those non-believers straight to hell, then they will embrace science as an instrument of god’s will. Science has no such need of religion.
 

indipow82

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Judaism accepts the fact in more modern scts that we have no idea or could begin to place a idea to what G-d is! We just pray to the fact that something happened to make it possible to be here and hope it is something greater than ourselves. The more modern sects accept science and use it to benefit the forward movement to what is real or true! Now when you talk about the Orthodox and such, they are fucking crazy! LOL this is coming from a Jew who is a minor studies in Physics and string theory too! Not trying to change anything or the fact that religion is very crazy and full of stories. Just that some of us are for science and hope one day it will be able to smash the concept of fairy tales from over 4000 years ago.
 

DoctorSmoke

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well if u apply "science" to religion such as evidence proving jesus actually existed then its all wrong. apparently all the stuff that was wrote about jesus was atleast 200 yo hearsay, nobody actually seen jesus and documented it. there have been some forgeries but anyway... and physical evidence like the shroud of turin was actually made in the 1300s.

this is all off the top of my head but if u actually looked into it there really isnt much. its like finding "evidence" for the existance of johnny appleseed and saint nick or other folklore figures.
 
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