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afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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jigfresh said:
No one said anything close to "Chemical fertilizers have no place and shouldn't be made at all." I don't see what the problem is with people who want to grow organically, doing so, and doing so in part because they don't like the manufacturing process of chemical nutrients. I also don't see what the problem is with people having issues with the ethics of some companies actions.
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It started with the statement ,"Good farmers use organics."

My reply was, sure, but what constitutes a "Good" farmer? If you live in a castle, you want the best tasting tomatoes. If your the farmer, you want more tomatoes, faster! Only a quarter of my harvest get's smoked. The rest is used in medibles and oils. So taste isn't huge with me. Effects and amounts are. So a "Good" farmer is one that produces what he set out to accomplish. It's the soldier, not the rifle, means, It's your goal and success that matter, not what you used to achieve it.
 
nas2007

nas2007

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afrawfraw said:
It started with the statement ,"Good farmers use organics."

My reply was, sure, but what constitutes a "Good" farmer? If you live in a castle, you want the best tasting tomatoes. If your the farmer, you want more tomatoes, faster! Only a quarter of my harvest get's smoked. The rest is used in medibles and oils. So taste isn't huge with me. Effects and amounts are. So a "Good" farmer is one that produces what he set out to accomplish. It's the soldier, not the rifle, means, It's your goal and success that matter, not what you used to achieve it.
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i like ur style buddy
 
nas2007

nas2007

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DST said:
Hello Nas, I heard lots of people in Atlantis used Canna!! lol. You all good?

Burger then off to the pub guys, laters....

DST
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hellow buddy, they do indeed! here in Atlantis its the low to only grow in coco!! lol

hope you enjoyed your burgerrr!!!!
 
bassman999

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I was trimming too early, as some of the plants arent ready. I am stopping the trimming for a day or 2.

This thread is "live" today, I for 1 hope the regular atmosphere returns. Debating is fine, arguing is another thing better kept private!
If a message is sent to you away from the thread keep it there with your reply this isnt kindergarten.
 
DST

DST

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I love ladybirds, they must be out as I had some in my garden as well....

Now let's all pass the bong and get along. Back to my beer and CJ joint.....still waiting for my mate to turn up. Lucky the good bar man here gave me a nice sticky bit of Casey resin to go with me jay.

Peace, DST
 
bud7144

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Finally got the electrician out to set up power to the grow room. So excited to get the room finished and start growing again. Took some pics of the new electrical and my babies soon to be flower pRon.
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Seedlings: Qrazy Train, Pineapple Chunk and NL X Big Bud. The bigger pots are some planted Fruit Daddy clones
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Clones: Fruit Daddy and Grape Ape
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whodatnation

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I too have personal issues with using chemical nutes. Using them does get the job done, but at what cost? With the inevitable rise of oil prices chemical fertilizers will become more and more expensive. At the same time, long term use of chemical fertilizers are slowly killing our land to a point where it may even be unable to sustain any plant life at all, excess buildups of salts and phosphorus kill any microbial activity in the soil and you cant just "dig it out and start over". Why do people think farming organically cant produce enough? Iv organically grown a tomato plant that easily produced over 50lbs of tomatoes in one short northern summer... And why doesnt organics have a place in indoor growing? Iv yielded 2lbs primo organically under a 1k. Also have gotten 2lbs under 2 600ds organically.

And to add, I dont know why everyone is afraid of urine,,, urine from a healthy person is practically sterile and has been used as a fertilizer by people for thousands of years. .. Urine is not as "GROSS" as the chemicals being used on crops.

We are slowly but surly killing ourselves and the planet with this shit.

And I dont want to be hostile, im not trying to... just want to know flow... With your strong opinion on organics, have you ever grown organically in soil? Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between a living soil and plants? Dont shoot down the idea if youv never tried it or dont understand it. So your seriouse when you say youd rather take pills everyday instead of eating food? totally give up eating food? I find it hard to believe. Or did you just say that to show us how much you love chemical nutes?
 
bassman999

bassman999

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Urine is really used a s fert? I thought that was a joke! What is in urine? I know cat and dog piss leaves yellow areas on my neighbors grass.
 
wormdrive66

wormdrive66

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whodatnation said:
I too have personal issues with using chemical nutes. Using them does get the job done, but at what cost? With the inevitable rise of oil prices chemical fertilizers will become more and more expensive. At the same time, long term use of chemical fertilizers are slowly killing our land to a point where it may even be unable to sustain any plant life at all, excess buildups of salts and phosphorus kill any microbial activity in the soil and you cant just "dig it out and start over". Why do people think farming organically cant produce enough? Iv organically grown a tomato plant that easily produced over 50lbs of tomatoes in one short northern summer... And why doesnt organics have a place in indoor growing? Iv yielded 2lbs primo organically under a 1k.

And to add, I dont know why everyone is afraid of urine,,, urine from a healthy person is practically sterile and has been used as a fertilizer by people for thousands of years. .. Urine is not as "GROSS" as the chemicals being used on crops.

We are slowly but surly killing ourselves and the planet with this shit.

And I dont want to be hostile, im not trying to... just want to know flow... With your strong opinion on organics, have you ever grown organically in soil? Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between a living soil and plants? Dont shoot down the idea if youv never tried it or dont understand it. So your seriouse when you say youd rather take pills everyday instead of eating food? totally give up eating food? I find it hard to believe. Or did you just say that to show us how much you love chemical nutes?
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"Like"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine
 
geekmike

geekmike

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lol, urine as nutes... no I don't think that is what he was saying.

But I do have urine in my compost pile, quite a lot of it actually. My dairy goats piss a lot.
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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whodatnation said:
I too have personal issues with using chemical nutes. Using them does get the job done, but at what cost? With the inevitable rise of oil prices chemical fertilizers will become more and more expensive. At the same time, long term use of chemical fertilizers are slowly killing our land to a point where it may even be unable to sustain any plant life at all, excess buildups of salts and phosphorus kill any microbial activity in the soil and you cant just "dig it out and start over". Why do people think farming organically cant produce enough? Iv organically grown a tomato plant that easily produced over 50lbs of tomatoes in one short northern summer... And why doesnt organics have a place in indoor growing? Iv yielded 2lbs primo organically under a 1k.

And to add, I dont know why everyone is afraid of urine,,, urine from a healthy person is practically sterile and has been used as a fertilizer by people for thousands of years. .. Urine is not as "GROSS" as the chemicals being used on crops.

We are slowly but surly killing ourselves and the planet with this shit.

And I dont want to be hostile, im not trying to... just want to know flow... With your strong opinion on organics, have you ever grown organically in soil? Do you understand the symbiotic relationship between a living soil and plants? Dont shoot down the idea if youv never tried it or dont understand it. So your seriouse when you say youd rather take pills everyday instead of eating food? totally give up eating food? I find it hard to believe. Or did you just say that to show us how much you love chemical nutes?
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Simple economics for me. I can mix up 40 gallons a week, or 80 gallons a week. I can buy powder, or minerals mixed with water. I loved organics, but synthetic nutrients are more sterile. I understand the relationships. That's why outdoor is easy. But in Nasa's case, and mine, the plants are in artificial containers, in an artificial environment, with artificial light, in artificial medium. What's so crazy about using artificial nutrients? As crazy as pissing on plants?
Exhaustive detailed description of the composition of human urine can be found in NASA Contractor Report No. NASA CR-1802, D. F. Putnam, July 1971.[SUP][3][/SUP] That report provided detailed chemical analyses for inorganic and organic constituents, methods of analysis, chemical and physical properties and its behavior during concentrative processes such as evaporation, distillation and other physiochemical operations. Urine is an aqueous solution of greater than 95% water, with the remaining constituents, in order of decreasing concentration urea 9.3 g/L, chloride 1.87 g/L, sodium 1.17 g/L, potassium 0.750 g/L, creatinine 0.670 g/L and other dissolved ions, inorganic and organic compounds.
Urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra, where epithelial cells lining the urethra are colonized by facultatively anaerobic Gram negative rods and cocci.[SUP][4][/SUP] Subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire strong odors due to bacterial action,[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] and in particular the release of ammonia from the breakdown of urea.
Some diseases alter the quantity and consistency of urine, such as diabetes introducing sugar. Consuming beets can result in beeturia (pink/red urine containingbetanin) for some 10–14% of the population.
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Nasa's study is sited, so don't bash me for siting wicki.

I would never grow a plant with human urine. =(

The argument that it's destroying the planet---> Ya, so.

Do you really believe our species will outlive this planet?

It's nice to pretend that if you don't eat the chicken, some where some chicken will live happily ever after. I don't think so. I believe that when our practices effect the planet enough, it will wipe us off the surface like a flea. It is in our nature to die. Unless another humanoid evolves from us, we're doomed.

Somewhere in Africa, they're talking shit about 600 watt grow lights. If we didn't use artificial light, we'd be forced to irrigate more of the Cannabis belt. ;-) There would also be less polution!

If we didn't us MH bulbs, we wouldn't be suppressing our Melatonin levels, Etc.

If I wasn't pumping 5K watts into my flower room, the nucleaor reactor wouldn't run so hard, producing less waste, same with coal generators. Unless your in the mountains running OG, your still sucking the modern ages teet.

Until worldwide cohesion, trying to save the environment, will be, well, trying.

But I get it. Do your part. Don't be part of the problem, I can dig it.
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bassman999

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Lol ok i gotcha.
I read the wiki link as to urine, and decided for kicks to measure my urine ph. I measured roughly 6 based on the ph measuring drops in a vial method. Not sure what that means, but must be better than 4.8 at the bottom of the range.
 
nas2007

nas2007

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has any one used advance nutes big bud? if so at what doze to you start it at ?ml per 1L water? and at what doze do you aim to be at ? will only be using it for 2 weeks then going to switch to pk13/14, they just finished they first week in flower
 
geekmike

geekmike

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afrawfraw said:
Simple economics for me. I can mix up 40 gallons a week, or 80 gallons a week. I can buy powder, or minerals mixed with water. I loved organics, but synthetic nutrients are more sterile. I understand the relationships. That's why outdoor is easy. But in Nasa's case, and mine, the plants are in artificial containers, in an artificial environment, with artificial light, in artificial medium. What's so crazy about using artificial nutrients? As crazy as pissing on plants?
Exhaustive detailed description of the composition of human urine can be found in NASA Contractor Report No. NASA CR-1802, D. F. Putnam, July 1971.[SUP][3][/SUP] That report provided detailed chemical analyses for inorganic and organic constituents, methods of analysis, chemical and physical properties and its behavior during concentrative processes such as evaporation, distillation and other physiochemical operations. Urine is an aqueous solution of greater than 95% water, with the remaining constituents, in order of decreasing concentration urea 9.3 g/L, chloride 1.87 g/L, sodium 1.17 g/L, potassium 0.750 g/L, creatinine 0.670 g/L and other dissolved ions, inorganic and organic compounds.
Urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra, where epithelial cells lining the urethra are colonized by facultatively anaerobic Gram negative rods and cocci.[SUP][4][/SUP] Subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire strong odors due to bacterial action,[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] and in particular the release of ammonia from the breakdown of urea.
Some diseases alter the quantity and consistency of urine, such as diabetes introducing sugar. Consuming beets can result in beeturia (pink/red urine containingbetanin) for some 10–14% of the population.
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Nasa's study is sited, so don't bash me for siting wicki.

I would never grow a plant with human urine. =(

The argument that it's destroying the planet---> Ya, so.

Do you really believe our species will outlive this planet?

It's nice to pretend that if you don't eat the chicken, some where some chicken will live happily ever after. I don't think so. I believe that when our practices effect the planet enough, it will wipe us off the surface like a flea. It is in our nature to die. Unless another humanoid evolves from us, we're doomed.

Somewhere in Africa, they're talking shit about 600 watt grow lights. If we didn't use artificial light, we'd be forced to irrigate more of the Cannabis belt. ;-) There would also be less polution!

If we didn't us MH bulbs, we wouldn't be suppressing our Melatonin levels, Etc.

If I wasn't pumping 5K watts into my flower room, the nucleaor reactor wouldn't run so hard, producing less waste, same with coal generators. Unless your in the mountains running OG, your still sucking the modern ages teet.

Until worldwide cohesion, trying to save the environment, will be, well, trying.

But I get it. Do your part. Don't be part of the problem, I can dig it.
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wow.... ignorance is something.
 
afrawfraw

afrawfraw

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bassman999 said:
Lol ok i gotcha.
I read the wiki link as to urine, and decided for kicks to measure my urine ph. I measured roughly 6 based on the ph measuring drops in a vial method. Not sure what that means, but must be better than 4.8 at the bottom of the range.
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Stick your trungeon and your PH pen in it! It's organic! Laughing Sooooo hard right now! Use it as PH down, I dare someone! Who's doin' the Urine Coffee Can grow!?
 
bassman999

bassman999

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nas2007 said:
has any one used advance nutes big bud? if so at what doze to you start it at ?ml per 1L water? and at what doze do you aim to be at ? will only be using it for 2 weeks then going to switch to pk13/14, they just finished they first week in flower
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I have grown with this and without it, and saw no real difference in yield. I did not do a proper evaluation though, but it doesnt imo seem to add much if any extra to my crop.
 
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