Club 600

[geekmike]

so in other words mineral nutrients is like feeding directly like an iv tube in the hospital, and organics is like eating a sandwich....if you put it that way ?? i even rather my vitamins in pills than eating fruit or vegetables, but i'm an idiot.

kinda, except the shit in an IV will just keep you alive while the sandwich is actually food.

BTW vitamin pills do not replace a healthy diet, lol.

 

[DST]

I also tend to stay clear of Vitamin pills, the only thing I ever really take are Vitimin C when I have a cold (and that's cause my Mother in law tend to buy me a bottle of it every year for Xmas, lol. I always think, wtf is this. the bottle say's something like 1000% of your dailly allowance.....so what is my body doing with the excess 900% of vitimin C it gets in that pill? I find most pills makes yer pish look weird as well, lol. Which is probably where the 900% is!

 

[whodatnation]

producing N, P & K synthetically is not an easy process, it takes other chemicals to produce these. Like solvent extractors and chemical compounds that are high in these additives that are able to be extracted.

Have you ever seen a chemical fertilizer processing plant? Probably not, because they are crazy shit.

There is a reason most good farmers don't use chemical fertilizers in their crops.

Enough said rite here.

Flowa, did you notice you never agree with anyone but yourself,,, and maybe your mentor. Try and be a little more open minded.

 

[afrawfraw]

producing N, P & K synthetically is not an easy process, it takes other chemicals to produce these. Like solvent extractors and chemical compounds that are high in these additives that are able to be extracted.

Have you ever seen a chemical fertilizer processing plant? Probably not, because they are crazy shit.

There is a reason most good farmers don't use chemical fertilizers in their crops.

Actually, I have to disagree with you there. I wouldn't say "Most good farmers use organics." While organics is more forgiving, and certainly the way to go outside, most research regarding plants is conducted using synthetic nutrients.

IMHO, it all boils down to the farmer. Pissing on your plants is disgusting, yet organic. It's more the soldier than the rifle. Yes, organics has a particular taste. Yes it's natural. Yes, it grows plants. But for budget and speed, synthetic hydro wins all day. I've seen probably 100 or more grow ops. I'm not Soma or anything, but I've compared the two. Organics is slow good tasting. Synthetics are faster, easier to control.

 

[DST]

I only saw one pic at first....now 3?


The last pic rocks, very trippy.

mornin sixers,some bubba 76 pre chop

 

[flowamasta]

As far as the comparison things goes Flow, I guess it depends, if all the strains are the same then should be a good comparison.

And Sixstring, thanks for the Pr0n!!! Very nice looking.

Going for a 409 today, can't be arsed waiting the next 11 minutes....

man nearly 4:20pm ?? is that what u mean? it's 11:45 pm here

yes they are all the same strains i cut them myself

kinda, except the shit in an IV will just keep you alive while the sandwich is actually food.

BTW vitamin pills do not replace a healthy diet, lol.

ohhhh come on man, not you to my mrs is already on to me. centrum is just fine i say i eat my carrots if you charcoal them and cover them in gravy

here is my outdoor clones oh Sixstring! nice n healthy mate

and here is my 12 inch high clone, different strain..... almost choppy time for this little girl, she had a sister 5 days ago, here is a sample i took about 1 week ago

 

[geekmike]

I also tend to stay clear of Vitamin pills, the only thing I ever really take are Vitimin C when I have a cold (and that's cause my Mother in law tend to buy me a bottle of it every year for Xmas, lol. I always think, wtf is this. the bottle say's something like 1000% of your dailly allowance.....so what is my body doing with the excess 900% of vitimin C it gets in that pill? I find most pills makes yer pish look weird as well, lol. Which is probably where the 900% is!

lol, yea over 2000mg of Vit. C can cause vomiting & nausia, lol


edit- and diarrhea

 

[flowamasta]

Enough said rite here.

Flowa, did you notice you never agree with anyone but yourself,,, and maybe your mentor. Try and be a little more open minded.

ohh come on man, i thought i was, i am conversating with dst if u read.....

edit : it is hard to agree when you dont fully understand something, and i'm not saying i'm a know all am I. but hey, I obviously liked my metors style, and he has helped me get some amazing results, so how can i not agree with that? it would be hard to steer me in a different direction, unless i see visually that it would help my yield/quality, as to why i have a UVB light with my grow, and thats thatnx to Gastanker, i was doubtful at first, but i saw his results, now i'm seeing mine

i agree where i see fit mate I'm sorry if i sounded blunt, but my way is the only way i know how to grow, and i dont see many growing my way, and i wonder why

 

[DST]

Being predominantly someone who grows for himself, I like this statement....

Organics is slow good tasting. Synthetics are faster, easier to control.

Notice the lack of the word taste in the synthetics, hehe. Only joking hydrobods, don't shoot me down please.

 

[phishtank]

Well I've officially joined the 600 club. Picked up two of the dual 600W ballasts, 4 lumenaire 8 hoods and 4 600W digilux bulbs. Plan on going back to the hydro store and doubling that up...didnt have enough room in the SUV to get everything.

 

[DST]

hehe, I tend to agree with whodat, flow you are a headstrong lad....but hey, that's not always a bad thing in life.

We can all get along, just requires a bit of tweaking in the interface. I would like to think of myself as a Middleware, I feel comfortable speaking with all sorts of people of all sorts of flavours, I just tweak the interface slightly

Now anyway, were we having a nutrient debate or what? lol...

fuk me, looks like I'll be going to the pub soon-ish.

 

[DST]

Like......

well i've officially joined the 600 club. Picked up two of the dual 600w ballasts, 4 lumenaire 8 hoods and 4 600w digilux bulbs. Plan on going back to the hydro store and doubling that up...didnt have enough room in the suv to get everything.

 

[flowamasta]

i gotta add, the nices bud i'ver ever smoked was apparently shiva shanti, and it was barely dry, and this stuff flew around soo quick, i fell in love with it, and was devastated when i found out i could no longer get it, it felt like 1 in a million weed, well, i found out where this stuff grew, and it was some just backyarder doin his own small grow, stinkin out his neighborhood out with no filter, he most certainly was not organic, but this weed i tell you, was like a sticky wet dream, the smell surrounding the house was incredible. it was strain related beautiful taste, it had nothing to do with the way he grew i can tell you that much it blows me away to think of it really, bacause there is always debate on this, and i don't know shit really!! this is my 3rd grow!! has anyone ever had any bad tasting weed grown organically?? i have, so it doesn't all taste better. i think it comes down to the love from the grower, and it does come with talent i believe...

 

[Gastanker]

Mineral VS Organics...One Afrawfraw's opinion...

Organic nutrients are nutrient forms found in nature which can be processed using natural means, I.e. Sunlight, drying, aging, Etc.

Mineral nutrients are the finished product when bacteria and other micro organisms break down the organic material into N,P,K, Etc.

Organic nutrients is like you eating a salad.

Mineral nutrients are like you taking a daily multivitamin.

Both contain nutrients, but 1 form needs to be digested, the other is ready to pass through your stomach lining.

Organic nutrients require processing by the microorganisms before they are available.

Mineral nutrients do not require action before they can pass through the rhizosphere of the root flesh and travel through the plant.

I agree with all of this but what point is trying to be made? If I premineralize all my organic amendments via a long aerated bacterial brew and then add them to the soil is it bad? They will all be immediately available to the plants just like the mineral nutrients... What about guanos which were already processed by the bacteria in the birds/bats gut? They are immediately available just like mineral nutes... How about all of the premineralized organic bottled nutrient lines?

I'm an organic farmer and definitely recommend growing organically but to say that immediately available nutrients are somehow worse than those that need processing in the soil is a bit silly and really excludes many many of the organic amendments as good "sandwich" amendments. It depends on the type of mineral nute of course but many organic amendments break down into the exact same form of N and P that the chemical nutes are - moleculary no difference.

 

[flowamasta]

good input gas, i actually forgot about guano bat shit, that is something that my father used once upon a time powdered brown shit right?? expensive aswell from what i remember

 

[DST]

That is a rhetorical statement, flow of course badly grown organic weed can taste shit, lol. I think we have all grown something a bit off-ish, lol.

If your experience is that synthetically grown weed is better, then that's all good too.

Hey, I keep using the -ish at the end of words. Anyone know of the background with ish? I read that is came from the Jews, and when they arrived in Brittania, it was later that the Engl-ish word appeared. I need to do more readin on this, just wondered if anyone knew owt? May be I should check the UK growers thread, but most there can't even spell (lmfao _ I hope some are reading this, hehe).

 

[billcollector99]

That is a rhetorical statement, flow of course badly grown organic weed can taste shit, lol. I think we have all grown something a bit off-ish, lol.

If your experience is that synthetically grown weed is better, then that's all good too.

Hey, I keep using the -ish at the end of words. Anyone know of the background with ish? I read that is came from the Jews, and when they arrived in Brittania, it was later that the Engl-ish word appeared. I need to do more readin on this, just wondered if anyone knew owt? May be I should check the UK growers thread, but most there can't even spell (lmfao _ I hope some are reading this, hehe).

[h=2]ish[/h][SUP]1 [/SUP] 
1.a suffix used to form adjectives from nouns, with the senseof “belonging to” ( British; Danish; English; Spanish ); “afterthe manner of,” “having the characteristics of,” “like” (babyish; girlish; mulish ); “addicted to,” “inclined or tendingto” ( bookish; freakish ); “near or about” ( fiftyish; sevenish ).

2.a suffix used to form adjectives from other adjectives, withthe sense of “somewhat,” “rather” ( oldish; reddish; sweetish).


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[afrawfraw]

I agree with all of this but what point is trying to be made? If I premineralize all my organic amendments via a long aerated bacterial brew and then add them to the soil is it bad? They will all be immediately available to the plants just like the mineral nutrients... What about guanos which were already processed by the bacteria in the birds/bats gut? They are immediately available just like mineral nutes... How about all of the premineralized organic bottled nutrient lines?

I'm an organic farmer and definitely recommend growing organically but to say that immediately available nutrients are somehow worse than those that need processing in the soil is a bit silly and really excludes many many of the organic amendments as good "sandwich" amendments.

I never said one was "Better" than the other. They just perform differently. What's your goal? Cannabis cup entry? Organics. Growing for 3 patients in an indoor garden on a budget and need meds fast? Synthetics. Good luck with those organics if you try to keep them. Hydro uses way less water, and there for way less nutes. My flower room uses 40 gallons a week! My friend runs organics in smart pots. He uses 40 gallons every 3 days! That's twice the water and nutes. I just can't afford that. I spend 10 us dollars a month on nutrients. =) The ONLY differences I see in yield when compared to organics is that "OG taste" is gone and I run an extra crop every year...

 

[geekmike]

adding to the nutrient thing here...

In my statement I wan't saying that nutrients are necessarily harmful, but the process in which they are derived is harmful and the practices that these chemical companies have for disposing their solvents and other waste is just appalling.

 

[afrawfraw]

i gotta add, the nices bud i'ver ever smoked was apparently shiva shanti, and it was barely dry, and this stuff flew around soo quick, i fell in love with it, and was devastated when i found out i could no longer get it, it felt like 1 in a million weed, well, i found out where this stuff grew, and it was some just backyarder doin his own small grow, stinkin out his neighborhood out with no filter, he most certainly was not organic, but this weed i tell you, was like a sticky wet dream, the smell surrounding the house was incredible. it was strain related beautiful taste, it had nothing to do with the way he grew i can tell you that much it blows me away to think of it really, bacause there is always debate on this, and i don't know shit really!! this is my 3rd grow!! has anyone ever had any bad tasting weed grown organically?? i have, so it doesn't all taste better. i think it comes down to the love from the grower, and it does come with talent i believe...

Exactly, it's more the soldier than the rifle. =)