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Gastanker

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I never said one was "Better" than the other. They just perform differently. What's your goal? Cannabis cup entry? Organics. Growing for 3 patients in an indoor garden on a budget and need meds fast? Synthetics. Good luck with those organics if you try to keep them. Hydro uses way less water, and there for way less nutes. My flower room uses 40 gallons a week! My friend runs organics in smart pots. He uses 40 gallons every 3 days! That's twice the water and nutes. I just can't afford that. I spend 10 us dollars a month on nutrients. =) The ONLY differences I see in yield when compared to organics is that "OG taste" is gone and I run an extra crop every year...
In your opinion does organic hydro taste the same as chem hydro? I've never done either so I'm a bit curious but they are both 100% immediately available nutes... Neither have a ever used organic hydro nutes - curious as to if 100% immediately available organic nutes produce a product different than organic nutrients that must be mineralized in the actual soil the plant is growing in.

Anyone ever run an organic bottled nute line against organically amended soil?
 

geekmike

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good input gas, i actually forgot about guano bat shit, that is something that my father used once upon a time powdered brown shit right?? expensive aswell from what i remember
I get 5lbs of bat guano for $10

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I also use Super Soil, it's crazy cheep Just so you know. I ran a Advanced Nutrients plant right next to my SS and I have seen much happier & healthier plants (given I was using FFOF as well) and I think I spent less than $200 to fill up 2 large trash cans with it.
 

DST

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hehe, I know what it means Bill, just looking at the origins of how the word was made up.....if ya know what I mean?
ish

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1.a suffix used to form adjectives from nouns, with the senseof “belonging to” ( British; Danish; English; Spanish ); “afterthe manner of,” “having the characteristics of,” “like” (babyish; girlish; mulish ); “addicted to,” “inclined or tendingto” ( bookish; freakish ); “near or about” ( fiftyish; sevenish ).

2.a suffix used to form adjectives from other adjectives, withthe sense of “somewhat,” “rather” ( oldish; reddish; sweetish).


 

Gastanker

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:)

What's the origin of the neologism "-ish", as in "I'll meet you at sevenish" or "He looked a little sheepish"? I'm curious about its etymology.​
Well, first, it's hardly a neologism; the suffix -ish has, in one sense or another, been in English since the beginning. But some of its senses are comparatively new, it is true.
Our -ish is a suffix that forms adjectives from nouns or other adjectives. Some of the senses existed in Old English (then spelled -isc but pronounced the same way), such as 'of, being, or pertaining to', used to form adjectives indicating a national, ethnic, or religious origin (British, Jewish).
A very common sense is 'after the manner of; having the characteristics of; like', used chiefly to form adjectives, sometimes derogative. There were a small number of words in this sense in Old English, of which cildisc 'childish' and cierlisc 'churlish' are among the few to have made it to the present. Among the many others, from the Middle English period or later, are babyish, boyish, clownish, foolish, girlish, and selfish. Your sheepish shows this meaning, in the original sense 'like a sheep, as in meekness or docility', and hence 'embarrassed or bashful', the main current sense.
A related meaning is 'addicted to; inclined or tending to': bookish, thievish. From the early nineteenth century, this sense became very common in nonce-coinages such as Mark Twainish, Queen Anne-ish, jolly-good-fellowish, etc.
Finally, the last main sense formed from nouns is 'near; approximately', used with numbers, as thirtyish 'about thirty (years old)', or your sevenish 'about seven (o'clock)'. (Old joke: prostitute is working a party with her appointment book. "I can see you around eightish, Mike, and I have time for Bill at nineish." She looks around. "Tenish, anyone?") This sense is the rather recent one, but is still not really a neologism, as it has been in use since the early twentieth century.
The adjective-to-adjective sense is 'somewhat; rather': oldish; reddish; sweetish. This apparently originated among color terms and then spread to other adjectives. It is also unique to English; other languages with a cognate to -ish use a different ending for their color adjectives.
An ending cognate with -ish is found in various Germanic languages. It is related to the Greek diminutive suffix -iskos; the suffix -esque (picturesque; Kafkaesque) is ultimately from the Germanic source of -ish but was borrowed through French.
There is another suffix -ish, found chiefly in verbs borrowed from French or sometimes Latin: nourish, perish; extinguish. There are some other words in -ish that do not come from either of these, but had different endings that ended up getting pronounced, and spelled, -ish.
 

genuity

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i been useing this for a lil bit,cost 10 bucs a bottle.
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my plants respond well to the use of this stuff,along with Fox Farm nutes(grow big-tiger bloom)
not full on organic,but dam close.
 

afrawfraw

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adding to the nutrient thing here...

In my statement I wan't saying that nutrients are necessarily harmful, but the process in which they are derived is harmful and the practices that these chemical companies have for disposing their solvents and other waste is just appalling.
No arguments there at all. The discharges can be compared to petroleum and plastic production. Nasty stuff. I do snub my nose at farmers who introduce synthetic nutrients to water tables by applying outdoors. If you grow outdoor, it behooves you to use organics. As for the factory's involved in making my nutrients...I hate the conditions cows are kept in in america, but I love my steak a little more. Do people who buy a Prius know that Toyota made that vehicle so it's factories can pollute a little more?

In the grand scheme of things, there isn't anything we can do, short of blowing up the planet, that mother nature can't correct. Our pollution's amount to a 2 year old coloring on the wall. The wall is very old, and will be around long after the crayon is gone.

The planet is 4.5 billion years old.
Dinosaurs survived for 165 million years.
Man is 50,000 years old.
We could survive for a million years, then be wiped like a spill.
And the next species which evolves would try and guess what happened.
 

flowamasta

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everyones on their game tonight!!! ok, here is a shot of my small sample i took of my indoor about 6 days ago, still bit green, i snipped the top off this morning, cause i just couldnt wait, even though i got tissues stuffed up my damn nose, and i cant smell my own shit...
yes this sample is imature. yes it looks fluffy, and yes its no where near top quality ....yet, but it does give a nice show of resin, bit of a tease really, but it gives u a bit of an idea of what it may look like soon, except more filled out, this sample was right next to the fan, and just couldnt bend the damn thing, it was totally in the way....eehem. it was ok here it is



now if anyones seen my outdoor crops of this strain, u will notice how remarkably similar they look :) finally, i have a more natural look, not the solid red golf balls like last grow
 

phishtank

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What kind of medium are you guys using. I don't think I want to use FFOF this time around. What kind of nuteless soil-less medium would be good.
 

afrawfraw

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In your opinion does organic hydro taste the same as chem hydro? I've never done either so I'm a bit curious but they are both 100% immediately available nutes... Neither have a ever used organic hydro nutes - curious as to if 100% immediately available organic nutes produce a product different than organic nutrients that must be mineralized in the actual soil the plant is growing in.

Anyone ever run an organic bottled nute line against organically amended soil?
Every organic hydro set up I've seen was disgusting. It smelled and yield suffered. The problem with organics is your taking part of an age old system, and moving it into a synthetic environment. Just as I do not suggest taking synthetics outside, I discourage taking organics inside. If you drain to waste, and your soil is alive, you get yummy meds. But if you try to recirculate organics, it gets slimy stinky real fast, even with O2 in the water.

When I used organics, I used GO line minus the fish nastiness. I had great results. I also use amended soil for veggies outside. I would say bottled OG's are a hair faster and easier to correct. Amended soils need to be on point, or your flushing for weeks...
 

afrawfraw

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What kind of medium are you guys using. I don't think I want to use FFOF this time around. What kind of nuteless soil-less medium would be good.
I use 100% Coconut coir, on a bed of course perlite.

You need to flush the coir before use, but it drains well and holds nutrients.
 

nas2007

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hehe, I tend to agree with whodat, flow you are a headstrong lad....but hey, that's not always a bad thing in life.

We can all get along, just requires a bit of tweaking in the interface. I would like to think of myself as a Middleware, I feel comfortable speaking with all sorts of people of all sorts of flavours, I just tweak the interface slightly:shock:

Now anyway, were we having a nutrient debate or what? lol...

fuk me, looks like I'll be going to the pub soon-ish.
hellow there, well if i had to put some input in there, i would say canna nutes range is really good quality!!
 

flowamasta

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i think organics is for the seriously seasoned greenthumbs, who want a healthier lifestyle, can't be far off there surely....i love seeing my mates fish farm aquaponics system, surprisingly it doesnt smell that bad, but he runs good circulation, and filters, but i totally agree with you being slimy, it was one thing he pointed out to me, but he's a fisherman thru and thru and he just has to have damn fish in his setup, free nutrients :) just has to feed the fish, as far as i know....
 

nas2007

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What kind of medium are you guys using. I don't think I want to use FFOF this time around. What kind of nuteless soil-less medium would be good.
i would say canna coco pro plus, has no nutes in it so your in control, and switching to coco is the best thing i ever did!
 

Gastanker

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Every organic hydro set up I've seen was disgusting. It smelled and yield suffered. The problem with organics is your taking part of an age old system, and moving it into a synthetic environment. Just as I do not suggest taking synthetics outside, I discourage taking organics inside. If you drain to waste, and your soil is alive, you get yummy meds. But if you try to recirculate organics, it gets slimy stinky real fast, even with O2 in the water.

When I used organics, I used GO line minus the fish nastiness. I had great results. I also use amended soil for veggies outside. I would say bottled OG's are a hair faster and easier to correct. Amended soils need to be on point, or your flushing for weeks...
hehe, yeah I can only imagine how nasty an organic hydro grow would get. You understand that the GO line is all immediately available right? No bennies necessary - Makes sense that it's a bit easier to dose than amending soil. And not to be a dick but you can't flush organic amendments that haven't been mineralized. Good to hear the result are similar though. Thank you.
 

DST

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Hello Nas, I heard lots of people in Atlantis used Canna!! lol. You all good?

Burger then off to the pub guys, laters....

DST
 

phishtank

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Alright cool canna coco it is. I feel like the FFOF is just way too loaded down with nutes in the beginning and it just causes some unwanted problems if plants are nute sensitive.
 

afrawfraw

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hehe, yeah I can only imagine how nasty an organic hydro grow would get. You understand that the GO line is all immediately available right? No bennies necessary - Makes sense that it's a bit easier to dose than amending soil. And not to be a dick but you can't flush organic amendments that haven't been mineralized. Good to hear the result are similar though. Thank you.
Not to be a dick back, but while GO delivers immediately available nutrients, not ALL of the nutrients can be taken up by the roots immediately. And flushing amended soil helps clear the rhizosphere of micro organisms and the freshly chelated minerals so they aren't as abundant at the roots.

For every organic gardener, I recommend a few books I grabbed that helped immensely!

"Teaming with Microbes" by Jeff Lowenfels & Wayne Lewis
"Rodale's Ultimate Encyclopedia of Organic Gardening" by Rodale
"The Organic Gardeners Handbook of Natural Pest and Disease Control" by Rodale

Super helpful.
 
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