LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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Lucius Vorenus

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ValleGrown said:
I Shall be In the PAR T5 Group Soon enough. I just ordered me a 2 ft 8 bulb T5 fixture.
Though i read the thread i am still a little confused on the setup and the nM wave length that is needed with the correct order to disperse the light correctly..

I will be in Flowering shortly so i will need a flowering setup
Does anyone want to help me out here.

Im thinking that i will have the

Fiji Purple
Super Blue Actinic
Red
75.25
Fiji Purple
Red
Super Blus Actinic
Fiji Purple


BUT

I dont know what bulbs are in the RED spectra.



I know the PRO said that he used www.aquariumspecialty.com as his bulb supplier. But they no longer carry the ATI bulb that he referenced. can some one reefer me to another bulb.

Thanks Much..


I cannot wait to join the ranks.

First thing on my list.....


FUCKING SCROG COMPETITION WITH THE PAR T5 GROUP..

Unless some one beat me too it. :D




IF SOME ONE WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH TO SHOW ME TO A BULB THAT SUPPORTS THE FAR RED SPECTRUM THAT WOULD BE GREAT...

Im still searching google. ...:(
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Red suns are in the red but they are overpriced as hell. I will never pay $20 for a single bulb again. Keep in mind most bulbs are really only 10,000hrs and degrade pretty greatly after even 6000hrs.

I like the Florasuns and AgroGrow for my bloom bulbs now. But im doing side by side with a bunch right now. Currently all neck and neck at the 2 week mark.
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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What are tHe spectra of the agro sun and florasun. I'm not to worried about price on bulb I just need to know if I have em in town or if I gotta order em .
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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another question.. With the spectra graphs... Does it matter how high the peak is.. This may be stupid question. But The peaks on the graph designate the intesity at that spectrum of light, Right?


If i am correct i would assume that we want the highest intensity possible. do we know that all companies graphs are accurate and not a bunch of hooey.

So i am going to just go with the assumption they are high output if it says it....


0.o
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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Here is a little side by side going at 15 days so far. Pretty much all running neck and neck. LED kinda falling behind a bit on the larfy buds.

Read the description for details on it.

[video=youtube;ChZahrcwoto]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChZahrcwoto[/video]
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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great video Lucius............man that blackstar led has a TINY coverage area................keep on rocking the T5 bro............
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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So can someone confirm that these bulbs will work. I am nervous that i just dropped 115 bonaroons for nothing.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16887
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16769
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=21444


The actinics are not in stock at the moment.
But the 12000k and the HO Pink Roseate 650 nM were in stock.

And I do believe that the 650nM are closer to the 660 nM so better that 630nM right?

Some one please respond soon. Im kinda trippin
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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ValleGrown said:
So can someone confirm that these bulbs will work. I am nervous that i just dropped 115 bonaroons for nothing.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16887
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16769
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=21444


The actinics are not in stock at the moment.
But the 12000k and the HO Pink Roseate 650 nM were in stock.

And I do believe that the 650nM are closer to the 660 nM so better that 630nM right?

Some one please respond soon. Im kinda trippin
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The 12000k Actinic Whites are mostly 550 green and 610 orange, not well used for photosynthesis. I would skip em. FloraSun's are under $10 and are a little better than the Roseates. But the Roseates arent bad. I'd skip the 420 Actinics also, unless you already have a decent PAR spectrum and are just fine tuning. The 420/460 Actinics are good to use during Veg but only with other, more full spectrum, tubes.

UVL ActinicWhite.jpg <- Actinic White 12k
It will look very bright and white to our human eyes, but produces no Red over 610 ("power band" is 630-660) and has lots of green that wont be utilized by the green foliage.


Call em before they ship. Aquarium Guys has FloraSun's for like $9, WavePoint BlueWave and AquaticLife 420/460s are good actinics also. The 420 Actinics or 03 actinics have a pretty narrow peak at about 422 giving a deep violet hue, but Regular Super Blue's or 460 Actinics (BlueWave's) have a wider peak from 420 thru 455ish that covers more of the PAR wavelengths. AquaticLife 420/460's are pretty nice too
 
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Lucius Vorenus

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It will work but I personally am growing away from Actinics as I don't think they are needed.

Also not a fan of expensive bulbs when cheap bulbs do the trick.
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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Undercover Cop said:
The 12000k Actinic Whites are mostly 550 green and 610 orange, not well used for photosynthesis. I would skip em. FloraSun's are under $10 and are a little better than the Roseates. But the Roseates arent bad. I'd skip the 420 Actinics also, unless you already have a decent PAR spectrum and are just fine tuning. The 420/460 Actinics are good to use during Veg but only with other, more full spectrum, tubes.

View attachment 2092193 <- Actinic White 12k
It will look very bright and white to our human eyes, but produces no Red over 610 ("power band" is 630-660) and has lots of green that wont be utilized by the green foliage.


Call em before they ship. Aquarium Guys has FloraSun's for like $9, WavePoint BlueWave and AquaticLife 420/460s are good actinics also. The 420 Actinics or 03 actinics have a pretty narrow peak at about 422 giving a deep violet hue, but Regular Super Blue's or 460 Actinics (BlueWave's) have a wider peak from 420 thru 455ish that covers more of the PAR wavelengths. AquaticLife 420/460's are pretty nice too
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Well my fixture is coming with some GROW lights so would those balance the spectrum? I have an aqaurium store that I can go to buy some different bulbs
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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But the 12000k have a 450 spike which would balance par with giving some green light to introduce photosynthesis correct?
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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ValleGrown said:
But the 12000k have a 450 spike which would balance par with giving some green light to introduce photosynthesis correct?
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regular 6500k grow bulbs have about the same amout of blue as those, they look like they have a bit more green tho. They will work ok for either bloom or veg, but you can get much better performance from the right spectrum. people grow from seed to flower with HPS which is a horrible spectrum for plant growth, but it still works, quite well infact. But with the right spectrum you can increase the potency/flavor/overall quality. Just like nutes provide nutrition to the plant, proper lighting is also necessary to get the most optimal growth.
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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T5 and PAR growing for beginners... (was in response to others questions so they're adressing them)
yes they were posted only about a month ago (sorry to those that already saw them), but they cover alot of topics and have lots of SPD graphs


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ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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I can't see anything.



So what are the main spectra that need to be accomplished?
420nM - 700nM right?


So what considers PAR different than regular T5 . Just that we aren't wasting energy on unusable spectrums and utilizing only the spectra that plants grow in. Right?

I'm still a little confused. Can someone point out if there are specific nM ranges.


all of this data Is confusin the fuck out of me
 
ValleGrown

ValleGrown

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http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/59617-lumens-lux-par-what-they.html

If this article is correct even though anectdotal would I be led to believe that anything between 420nM - 700nM would be consider on PAR? As long as we aren't wasting lots of energy is 550nM - 600nM where the yellows and oranges come in...

We consider
420-550nm and 630-700nm is optimum spectra for their each respected end of thspectrum and PUR

Am I even close here or am I a fuckin nut rambling?
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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I just thought of a strange question. Has anyone looked into what PAR the moon reflects when it is in its various phases? not that I want to use light durring flowering, but just was curious if anyone had looked into that and what they found.
 
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