When I Hear People Talk about Welfare
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deprave
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I know a lot more than 1 person tyvm...What claim am I making? The claim I made is that there is waste in the system and its out of hand which is true. The claim that your making is that the food stamp program is perfect which is a false claim and absolute insanity, to argue for the state which is flawed in so many ways and does not have our interest in mind is foolish. The food stamp program simply is not perfect and not without its flaws.
Furthermore, I have been poor at times in my life when I could of used food stamps and was not eligible. It is imperfect in that regard as well. The government sucks and that is my claim. Your claim seems to be that the government is awesome and cares about people which has been wrong for thousands of years.
Carne Seca
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Hide yo wife! Hide yo children!
Pat the stoner
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When I was a kid we were on welfare and if it wasn't for foodstamps I'd a starved . Mom figured out that if she claimed dad beat her shed get sympathy and money for booze and drugs. And he would have to stay away or go to jail if he even tried to be a dad to me . It's the leadership in the US that allows this to happen and by the way we arent black . Back to the leadership being shitty - they enjoyed my family being torn apart , my home destroyed , my life as an innocent child ruined - just so long as no one noticed their pay raises or other benefits increased , the leaders proffit while we get f'd up . Is that what we pay them for ? I don't think so . As a builder I get paid to build , if no building goes up - no pay . These fuckers get paid all the time while lying their asses off , and robbing the rest of us . So lets all fight about some shit that does nothing for any of us . And by the way with our industry gone , wheres anyone going to work ? I felt that way too but look at the whole thing - whats happening to America .
Carne Seca
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Show me where I say the food stamp program is perfect. Please. Just like your other claims, you can't back it up.
deprave
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Then what are you arguing about and attacking me for? If you think the food stamp system is imperfect then we agree.
Carne Seca
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Because of you trying to stereotype welfare/food stamp recipients. Your worded it carefully with plenty of wiggle room but the implication was rather obvious. As usual.
deprave
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umm okay, so you stereotype me as an "attacker of welfare recipients", that is fairly closed minded and immature of you.
Probably because they don't have any white friends.
The true Welfare Queen.
I just pasted these from a government site:
With regard to AFDC the figures are:
White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3
To break down these numbers, we look at how many Whites are in the population as a WHOLE. If Blacks make up less 14% of the population and are almost 40% of all recipients, then they represent about 2.5 times their actual population. Since Whites are over 50% of the total US pop., they represent less than their overall piece of the pie, population-wise. Hispanics are at least 15% of the general population, so they take only about as much as what their population represents. Why am I writing this? Because I am tired of the misrepresentations on this issue. I read so many on here claiming that more Whites are on welfare than Blacks (true, in terms of raw numbers), yet not accounting for the fact that there are over 4X as many Whites in this country than Blacks! In statistics, you cannot go by mere numbers. Only if the playing field is exactly equal, which is rarely is! This thread was started, not to be racist, but to keep it real. After all, there are some legitimate reasons for Blacks to be on welfare more than Whites. But the worst thing anyone can do is be in denial.
Stop parroting the "more whites are on welfare than blacks " nonsense. Either you don't get how stats work or you are trying to be deceptive.
Dan Kone
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There is always going to be waste in any thing that effects so many people. And yes, people are going to scam the system. However there becomes a point where in order to stop that waste, you have to pass measures who are going to hurt people who need foodstamps. It's actually very efficient compared to how it used to be.
My guess is that if we cut walfare down to only 5 very poor people, people would still be complaining about how wasteful those 5 people are.
How much do you think welfare waste/corruption costs us each year?
deprave
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additionally to assume that I am being manipulative is offensive. I am just writing my mind, I am being honest and writing that there is waste and abuse in the system. Why would I try to manipulate on a weeed forum, I am trying to have an adult conversation and you seem to be incapable of opening your mind and have a discussion without letting your stereotypes get in the way.
deprave
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Probably not a whole lot, I don't think its a big issue, but every bit does add up. I agree with you for the most part but I am not really sure if it is more efficient, why do think that? My social worker friend has started recommending applying for food stamps to a wider array of people because he says more people are eligible these days.
I think we could do welfare a lot better if normal people were in charge of it and we didn't have corporations like Monsanto/Big-Pharma and the government in the way so much we could probably feed the whole world.
unohu69
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^NoDrama^ thanx for doing the work, thats what I was gonna say.
on top of all that, how many of you had to pay in, on taxes? Id bet most got more money back then they even paid in, so stop bitching about the system. Its broke, we all know it, washington knows it, everybodys to fuking liberal to do anything about it. Im sure I hurt someone feelings, ill be watching out for the lawsuit....
on top of all that, how many of you had to pay in, on taxes? Id bet most got more money back then they even paid in, so stop bitching about the system. Its broke, we all know it, washington knows it, everybodys to fuking liberal to do anything about it. Im sure I hurt someone feelings, ill be watching out for the lawsuit....
UncleBuck
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i'll remember this when it is pointed out that "those wealthy job creators pay the most taxes already".
i'll remember this when it is pointed out that "those wealthy job creators pay the most taxes already".
What are you going to point out? that the minority of the population pays the greatest amount of personal income taxes? Or that the majority pays a higher percentage of their income than the minority? I made $35,000 last year in addition to my earned income that was all capital gains. According to my earned income, the maximum I am taxed on that $35,000 is 5% of the gain I saw. so it cost $1750 to make $35,000. If that were wages you can bet I would have paid about $10,000 in taxes. Anyone can do this, except you have to have capital to do it with to begin. So start saving. This is what wealthy people do, they use the tax laws to their advantage, you can too, you just gotta know how.
Government is the one making the rules in favor of the rich who use the loopholes to their advantage, your anger is cast in the wrong direction.
UncleBuck
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the point of welfare is not to make people wealthy, ya know.
you are the epitome of a fox news talking head. everything is viewed with a skew to "wealthy job creators".
neosapien
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I think that author's logic is flawed and deceptive. Because the topic isn't what percentage of each race as a whole collects welfare? The topic is how many people from each race collect welfare as a whole. He's comparing 2 different things at the same time.