When I Hear People Talk about Welfare

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Parker

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UncleBuck said:
memory, but i'd say i'm not that far off.

would spend about $40 a week feeding myself back then at food city (the local ghetto-ish supermarket). that just brought back memories of getting on the bus with all the groceries i could carry.

if not for the fact that i have boycotted certain food companies lately, i could probably match that nowadays.

i will admit that food prices have seen some inflation, a few years back it seemed to go u rather quickly, but i just don't see it so much anymore.
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We've been over this before you halfwit. Prices in food have risen quite a bit even in the last year. And remember it's not about you princess. Its about the cost to the average American.

11/3/11 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204621904577014063962856108.html
The average price for sliced bacon in September was $4.82 a pound, up 34% from two years earlier, while uncooked beef roasts cost $4.52 a pound, up 15% over the same period, according to government figures. Live cattle prices are up 13% this year in Chicago futures trading, making cattle among the few widely traded commodities besides gold to be up by double digits. Lean hogs futures are up 9% this year. Both meat contracts also jumped in 2010, climbing 26% and 22%, respectively.

No mention of turtles.

The reason prices have risen is they are tied into the dollar. The dollar is devalued so it takes more of them to purchase the same product compared to the year before. Technology isn't involved to drive the cost down neither.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Parker said:
We've been over this before you halfwit. Prices in food have risen quite a bit even in the last year. And remember it's not about you princess. Its about the cost to the average American.

11/3/11 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204621904577014063962856108.html
The average price for sliced bacon in September was $4.82 a pound, up 34% from two years earlier, while uncooked beef roasts cost $4.52 a pound, up 15% over the same period, according to government figures. Live cattle prices are up 13% this year in Chicago futures trading, making cattle among the few widely traded commodities besides gold to be up by double digits. Lean hogs futures are up 9% this year. Both meat contracts also jumped in 2010, climbing 26% and 22%, respectively.

No mention of turtles.

The reason prices have risen is they are tied into the dollar. The dollar is devalued so it takes more of them to purchase the same product compared to the year before. Technology isn't involved to drive the cost down neither.
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apples and bananas are down in price. we can play this game all day.

staple items such as i buy have barely budged, as evidenced by my markedly similar grocery budgets between now and 10 years ago.
 
Canna Sylvan

Canna Sylvan

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Parker said:
We've been over this before you halfwit. Prices in food have risen quite a bit even in the last year. And remember it's not about you princess. Its about the cost to the average American.

11/3/11 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204621904577014063962856108.html
The average price for sliced bacon in September was $4.82 a pound, up 34% from two years earlier, while uncooked beef roasts cost $4.52 a pound, up 15% over the same period, according to government figures. Live cattle prices are up 13% this year in Chicago futures trading, making cattle among the few widely traded commodities besides gold to be up by double digits. Lean hogs futures are up 9% this year. Both meat contracts also jumped in 2010, climbing 26% and 22%, respectively.

No mention of turtles.

The reason prices have risen is they are tied into the dollar. The dollar is devalued so it takes more of them to purchase the same product compared to the year before. Technology isn't involved to drive the cost down neither.
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If you think those prices are bad, you should see the price of $4.50 jar Vegenaise and$4 pound Earth Balance margarine. Both certified vegan. According to Muy Loco, that stuff feeds his food. So shouldn't my eating his food's food cost less than his food?
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
apples and bananas are down in price. we can play this game all day.

staple items such as i buy have barely budged, as evidenced by my markedly similar grocery budgets between now and 10 years ago.
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If you had kept your receipts you would have noticed that some food products stayed the same price, but the actual amount of food in them went down, in other ways they have cheapened the ingredients too, HFCS in everything now instead of all the expensive natural sugar. I actually keep my grocery receipts and on average my grocery bill goes up 7-10% each year. I have receipts going back 6 years, so its not definitive or like a scientific survey, but it is a lot better than relying on my stoner memory. Milk is like $4.80 a gallon for the good stuff, it was less than $2 ten years ago. Bread is still about the same when you compare what i paid for the good stuff vs what i pay for the cheap ass tuff today, but the really good bread costs nearly $3 a loaf today. The shit ass po people bread is still $.99 and the day old bread is $.49. I actually make my own bread once in a while, tastes great with Honey.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NoDrama said:
If you had kept your receipts you would have noticed that some food products stayed the same price, but the actual amount of food in them went down, in other ways they have cheapened the ingredients too, HFCS in everything now instead of all the expensive natural sugar. I actually keep my grocery receipts and on average my grocery bill goes up 7-10% each year. I have receipts going back 6 years, so its not definitive or like a scientific survey, but it is a lot better than relying on my stoner memory. Milk is like $4.80 a gallon for the good stuff, it was less than $2 ten years ago. Bread is still about the same when you compare what i paid for the good stuff vs what i pay for the cheap ass tuff today, but the really good bread costs nearly $3 a loaf today. The shit ass po people bread is still $.99 and the day old bread is $.49. I actually make my own bread once in a while, tastes great with Honey.
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i bought the shit ass bread then and i buy it today.

cost of a loaf went from $0.99 back then to $1.19 today, although in the summer you can find screaming deals on buns, so i use those instead. i have no doubts that food prices go up, but 10% a year over 10 years (since i've been shopping) would mean a doubling of my bill. i haven't seen it, although i don't doubt your accounting.
 
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NoDrama

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UncleBuck said:
i bought the shit ass bread then and i buy it today.

cost of a loaf went from $0.99 back then to $1.19 today, although in the summer you can find screaming deals on buns, so i use those instead. i have no doubts that food prices go up, but 10% a year over 10 years (since i've been shopping) would mean a doubling of my bill. i haven't seen it, although i don't doubt your accounting.
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Actually 10% per year would double the price in 7 years, not ten. But i never said it was just 10% per year, it varies. BTW inflation does not JUST mean groceries. Cars, houses, toothpaste, medical, dental, etc etc etc all have some skin in the game too. How much was a new Chevy pickup in 2002? $18,000? how much are they now? What was the price of a blowjob in downtown San Diego in 2002? whats it at now? Inflation is more than just how much you spend on food. Rent goes up, gas and electric rates go up, all sorts of shit.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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NoDrama said:
Actually 10% per year would double the price in 7 years, not ten. But i never said it was just 10% per year, it varies. BTW inflation does not JUST mean groceries. Cars, houses, toothpaste, medical, dental, etc etc etc all have some skin in the game too. How much was a new Chevy pickup in 2002? $18,000? how much are they now? What was the price of a blowjob in downtown San Diego in 2002? whats it at now? Inflation is more than just how much you spend on food. Rent goes up, gas and electric rates go up, all sorts of shit.
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You dont understand... If it doesnt happen in Bucks faulty stoner memory then it doesnt happen...
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Read this article: http://www.thejournal.ie/waitress-who-describes-wonderful-life-on-dole-told-go-back-to-poland-343061-Feb2012/

Welfare is a fucking joke, why is it you fuckin lefties are so stupid and think you can save everyone and anyone?

But by all means, keep trying to follow the stupid road to lazy land that other nations have already.

Combine "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" with "true stupidity is tryin the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" and you have my analogy.

The trick is optional social insurance for workers who pay in but are insuring against coming upon hard times...why should people who never paid in get to put the hand out?
 
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Blaze Master

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Harrekin said:
Read this article: http://www.thejournal.ie/waitress-who-describes-wonderful-life-on-dole-told-go-back-to-poland-343061-Feb2012/

Welfare is a fucking joke, why is it you fuckin lefties are so stupid and think you can save everyone and anyone?

But by all means, keep trying to follow the stupid road to lazy land that other nations have already.

Combine "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" with "true stupidity is tryin the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result" and you have my analogy.

The trick is optional social insurance for workers who pay in but are insuring against coming upon hard times...why should people who never paid in get to put the hand out?
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so should wealthy nations just let citizens starve to death, even though it is very cheap and easy to provide them the basic necessities?
 
deprave

deprave

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Canna Sylvan said:
I usually agree with a lot of what Deprave says, but he's saying some really fucked up ignorant things. I'm poorer than Kenny on South Park and still can't get any food stamps. You definitely can't get on them if you got this fancy car, pay rent, party all the time, etc. You pretty much have to be on the streets, your ass only has an apartment because of section 8, you traded your Atari for a car from some emo kid, etc.

Either Deprave is full of shit, or if he knows people who do what he says, then they're lying and commiting fraud. You can only be worth $5,000 to collect food stamps.

This is comming from the very conservative, right leaning libertarian. To think this is coming out of the "left" leaning? No one wants to be on food stamps. If you're on them, it means your life is real shit. I researched food stamp fraud, it happens so infrequently, it costs more money to find it than commit it. Most food stamp fraud isn't even those on food stamps. It's gangs who steal wallets and the people were stupid enough to put the pin in their wallet. The gangs then sell the stolen cards for half the balance to some middle class guy wanting to save on groceries. So all you haters have no life, and are souless assholes. Please shut the fuck up.

You want to know real welfare? All the stupid defense contracts. We spend more than 10 times on "defense" than China. God damn.
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lol wow okay calm down. I am not making it up,really simple, all of her shit isn't in her name so she is technically 'worth' jack shit. A lot of people live as 'ghosts' to the financial system and they are able to get welfare. Really simple and not that hard to do, technically not even fraud, and lots of people do it, maybe you are poor but its hard for me to believe if you don't know about this, most poor people live on the black market and they are a ghost in the financial system.

That being said, I do agree there is people that are poor and aren't able to get it, lots of them, I have been there myself, so the problem runs both ways. If we didn't have monsanto and government in the way then we could just feed the world easily.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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Blaze Master said:
so should wealthy nations just let citizens starve to death, even though it is very cheap and easy to provide them the basic necessities?
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Why can these citizens not be as productive as any other? Why should I have to pay for Magda in that article? Everytime I go to work I'm paying for that bitch not to work...by her own choice.

Welfare isn't an ideological battle, it might mean well but it doesn't work.
 
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Blaze Master

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Harrekin said:
Why can these citizens not be as productive as any other? Why should I have to pay for Magda in that article? Everytime I go to work I'm paying for that bitch not to work...by her own choice.

Welfare isn't an ideological battle, it might mean well but it doesn't work.
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firstly im sure there are alot of reasons a person may not be able to work, such as mental or physical illness. secondly the woman in the article was not on welfare but rather unemployment. lastly, if you think being on welfare OR unemployment are so great you should give it a shot, and please tell us how it goes.
 
unohu69

unohu69

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Blaze Master said:
so should wealthy nations just let citizens starve to death, even though it is very cheap and easy to provide them the basic necessities?
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its so much easier to police the entire world, maintain 900 military bases, The drug war, unconstitutional wiretaps, The police state. If they can just control enough people, it will be a magical utopia here. everyone can be free to work and pay the banksters more money. sorry, incoherent it may be, but I dont have coffee in me yet... the liberals cant see the problem because they are the problem. Tax people into prosperity.

Really, why dont we just make it a STATUTE that makes it illegal to be poor? thatl solve it, then people wont be able to be poor.
 
mame

mame

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I took food stamps as payment for weed before but I dont do it anymore. It was a good deal but I can't stand using those cards in public it makes me feel like I've got to go home and shower. So now, when a poor homie with no money offers me $80 in food stamp money for an 1/8th I tell 'em to fuck off and if they want weed bad enough they'll find someone to trade 'em for cash.
 
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NoDrama

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mame said:
I took food stamps as payment for weed before but I dont do it anymore. It was a good deal but I can't stand using those cards in public it makes me feel like I've got to go home and shower. So now, when a poor homie with no money offers me $80 in food stamp money for an 1/8th I tell 'em to fuck off and if they want weed bad enough they'll find someone to trade 'em for cash.
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HAHA stealing from the system and theft of government services doesn't bother you, but the stigma attached to it does. I bet there are poor people who are starving to death who won't use it because of the stigma either. After all, you turn your nose up at those people yourself.
 
Pat the stoner

Pat the stoner

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I had a friend who was blind that I used to take around to his appointments , we went in to his socialworker and he said you do qualify for food stamps . This blind friend lived out of the way a little in a country area where anything was ten miles away from him so I drove him when I could . The foodstamp ammount was like $10.00 a month . This guy was a good person who was pretty poor and legitimately HC what he had to do to get that ten dollars was ridiculous and would have never been possible if he didnt have a friend or someone to help him .
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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One of the most asinine problems in history has been racism. Sorry to say science is not on your side either if you discriminate or even just harbor prejudice. Any anthropology student knows this. Even just acknowledging the race dichotomy gives it perceptible momentum for discussion. When I hear about how candid discussion is necessary, it makes me wonder if people want to bridge gaps and be neighbors or if they just want to stay convinced of falsehoods, even convince others of them while also alienating possible friends or if they have the capacity to point a finger at themselves. Some of the opinions around here are complete bullshit, in case anyone wonders why some of us just troll.
 
mame

mame

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NoDrama said:
HAHA stealing from the system and theft of government services doesn't bother you, but the stigma attached to it does. I bet there are poor people who are starving to death who won't use it because of the stigma either. After all, you turn your nose up at those people yourself.
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Eh, if you talked to malady she'd probably compare me to Hank Hill in terms of how "square" I am. It's not just the stigma, but I didn't really want to be part of other people taking advantage of the system either. I dont judge my friends and/or customers or scorn them, I just told 'em I didn't want to be a part of it - bring me cash (and I dont have nor do I want to know where that cash came from).

Besides, I'm that dude that wont let his girlfirend steal the hot sauce from the restaurant. I'm that guy that throws a few extra dollars on a shitty tip. I'm that guy that actually makes a complete stop at the STOP sign. I dont generally lie, because I'm terrible at it and I haven't stolen anything from anybody since I was in the 7th grade. I feel like my moral compass points pretty close to due north, if you know what I mean.
 
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