How Concerned Are You About Class Warfare In This Country?

[tet1953]

I believe they need to raise taxes on the wealthy, not because it is more fair but because we have bills to pay and that's where the money is. Simple as that. And I am talking about the debt as well as the deficit. We can and should do something about the latter through budget cuts, but the only thing that will address the former is more money.

 

[mame]

My effective tax rate is higher than Romney's and I can't even afford to rent a house without roommates. I bet everyone in this thread pays a higher effective tax rate than Romney. Is that fair?

 

[really comfy slippers]

I believe they need to raise taxes on the wealthy, not because it is more fair but because we have bills to pay and that's where the money is. Simple as that. And I am talking about the debt as well as the deficit. We can and should do something about the latter through budget cuts, but the only thing that will address the former is more money.

I am broker then broke.. Working real hard, going to school and live on my own. And I feel it would be against our Values to tax the rich MORE then anyone else.. It should be fair and be made the same percentage. The "money" is in our huge over sized, over reaching, constitution ignoring federal government. If the rich want to they could donate if they gave a real shit.

 

[bundee1]

They dont, just read this thread. Its all about what I earned and the hell with everyone else. I went to the best boarding school in the country with the sons of the biggest corporate magnates in the country and the attitude is the same " My dad did it, why cant your dad, oh its because he must be stupid and inferior. Sucks to be you. Can i borrow 50 cents for a soda?"

Ive been there, Ive seen it and can speak from experience. A lot of people like quoting textbooks and law when those same laws were subjugated and those lessons in the textbooks corrupted in the pursuit of greed. Before the housing debacle there were no books concerning Credit Derivatives and Mortgage Backed Securities. All of these models were invented to make money out of thin air. Guess who fought to repeal the regulations restricting those investments? Wasn't me. Guess who is suffering? It isnt the rich.

 

[NLXSK1]

How about to make it more fair if we just did massive cuts to spending and LOWERED the middle class tax rate?

 

[bundee1]

You're standing on a crumbling platform. I agree spending cuts have to be enacted and the lower class tax rate should be lowered but there needs to be an adjustment on the Capital gains and new brackets for mega millionaires. That money they are making isnt coming out of nowhere, the trail leads to my pocket.

This innovation people speak of when they say the rich will save us through job creation is actually the creation of efficiencies in the workplace that never translate to increased wages or benefits.

Look at the history of the CD and DVD. Those products through economies of scale and production innovations should be cheap as chips and the savings passed on to us. Where did the money go? Into the pockets of the corporations and awfully untalented recording artists. CDs are still $15-20 in stores the same as DVDs.

Amazon rebalances that equation and passes the savings on to the consumer but they pay no sales tax and short the government.

IT HAS TO BE FAIR ALL AROUND. THE MONEY MUST COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

 

[Blaze Master]

How about to make it more fair if we just did massive cuts to spending and LOWERED the middle class tax rate?

what spending would you cut?

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

They dont, just read this thread. Its all about what I earned and the hell with everyone else. I went to the best boarding school in the country with the sons of the biggest corporate magnates in the country and the attitude is the same " My dad did it, why cant your dad, oh its because he must be stupid and inferior. Sucks to be you. Can i borrow 50 cents for a soda?"

Ive been there, Ive seen it and can speak from experience. A lot of people like quoting textbooks and law when those same laws were subjugated and those lessons in the textbooks corrupted in the pursuit of greed. Before the housing debacle there were no books concerning Credit Derivatives and Mortgage Backed Securities. All of these models were invented to make money out of thin air. Guess who fought to repeal the regulations restricting those investments? Wasn't me. Guess who is suffering? It isnt the rich.

Ron Paul tried to warn us

[video=youtube;mnuoHx9BINc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnuoHx9BINc[/video]

 

[NLXSK1]

what spending would you cut?

All subsidies...

Corn subsidies, ethanol subsidies, foreign subsidies, etc...
All research. The department of Energy is paying scientists to figure out what to do with the waste from fisheries. This can be left to private industry.
All earmarks.
The department of energy, department of education, and a bunch of other departments.
Fire all the tzars and their staff.
Cut 5% off of the budget of every department that is not eliminated.
Have congress and the senate cut their own pay by 50% and reduce staffing costs.
Sell off the post office (with the caviat that the purchasing company still has to deliver mail to all locations, etc).
Sell off major tracts of the southwest (the federal government owns over 30% of all of the land and I am not including parks in this)
Institute a flat consumption tax and eliminate the IRS.

That is the start of it. I have plenty of other ideas...

 

[afrawfraw]

When I can no longer feed my family, I will take what my family needs and any one who tries to stop me from feeding my babies will meet death swiftly. Ever seen a "Bread Riot"? The cops stand down because they know they're fucked if they try to stop thousands of angry starving people. Add to the quotient that 2 of every 3 Americans have access to a fire arm and TADAH! So it will suck for a while longer, until they go too far. Then they will have to flee to Canada.

 

[afrawfraw]

All subsidies...

Corn subsidies, ethanol subsidies, foreign subsidies, etc...
All research. The department of Energy is paying scientists to figure out what to do with the waste from fisheries. This can be left to private industry.
All earmarks.
The department of energy, department of education, and a bunch of other departments.
Fire all the tzars and their staff.
Cut 5% off of the budget of every department that is not eliminated.
Have congress and the senate cut their own pay by 50% and reduce staffing costs.
Sell off the post office (with the caviat that the purchasing company still has to deliver mail to all locations, etc).
Sell off major tracts of the southwest (the federal government owns over 30% of all of the land and I am not including parks in this)
Institute a flat consumption tax and eliminate the IRS.

That is the start of it. I have plenty of other ideas...

So cold war Russia!? Yikes! Cutting Education and science fucks a country. Tried and true fact.

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

So cold war Russia!? Yikes! Cutting Education and science fucks a country. Tried and true fact.

federal education does not equal science.

 

[bundee1]

Toss in a few thousand unemployed, weapons trained, PTSD'd new civilians and its on. I dont think those soldiers will be siding with the rich. Lets see the rich create jobs for all of those soldiers out of their good will and tax cuts.
Doesn't anyone else see it? We're going back to the 70's but instead of heroin its oxycontin and hydrocodone.

 

[NLXSK1]

So cold war Russia!? Yikes! Cutting Education and science fucks a country. Tried and true fact.

I am referring to the federal government only. The state governments will still provide for schools, etc. It seems really stupid to send billions in education money to Washington to have it doled out at their whim.

 

[afrawfraw]

I am referring to the federal government only. The state governments will still provide for schools, etc. It seems really stupid to send billions in education money to Washington to have it doled out at their whim.

Great in theory, but without federal funds, schools can teach creationism and other ridiculous garbage. Also, states with lower populations will have terrible schools. Where do you think that federal money goes? Not just for cash for schools, but to investigate and weed out the ignorant crazy people who want to call themselves teachers, and it keeps church influence out of schools. Without federal involvement, Texans will think oil came from god when he made the world 6,000 years ago, ya feel me?

 

[scroglodyte]

the government would only have to aim a big TV at us, show a sit-com, and hand out Budweisers, and we'd stop, like deer in the headlights. baaa-aaa-aaa-aaah

 

[NLXSK1]

Great in theory, but without federal funds, schools can teach creationism and other ridiculous garbage. Also, states with lower populations will have terrible schools. Where do you think that federal money goes? Not just for cash for schools, but to investigate and weed out the ignorant crazy people who want to call themselves teachers, and it keeps church influence out of schools. Without federal involvement, Texans will think oil came from god when he made the world 6,000 years ago, ya feel me?

Well then the people that like the idea that oil came from god 6K years ago will move to Texas.

At least they would have a choice unlike now...

And the state still has standards boards and can set curriculum, etc.

I am not advocating anarchy, I am simply saying that the state governments are completely capable of handling these issues independantly of the federal government.

Also, there should be major changes to education with the advent of the internet. A student can now be educated from long distance via webinar's, etc. The cost of providing an education even to children in distant locations has become relatively small. It is the culture that has not caught up with the technology and it likely will not for a long time.

Why do you think someone from Texas who puts on a suit and goes to Washington is smarter than the next person from Texas? I seriously dont get that...

 

[afrawfraw]

Well then the people that like the idea that oil came from god 6K years ago will move to Texas.

At least they would have a choice unlike now...

And the state still has standards boards and can set curriculum, etc.

I am not advocating anarchy, I am simply saying that the state governments are completely capable of handling these issues independantly of the federal government.

Also, there should be major changes to education with the advent of the internet. A student can now be educated from long distance via webinar's, etc. The cost of providing an education even to children in distant locations has become relatively small. It is the culture that has not caught up with the technology and it likely will not for a long time.

Why do you think someone from Texas who puts on a suit and goes to Washington is smarter than the next person from Texas? I seriously dont get that...

I'm afraid I don't see your point. The federal gov't ALWAYS has to step in. And you think people who are educated in Texas will STAY in Texas!? No, they will move to your state and operate trains and planes. Delusions should NOT be tolerated!

Just look at what some states are trying to pass. Church as an alternative to jail. Prayer times in schools. Hanging religious emblems on PUBLIC property. Allowing LEO's to violate civil rights. Fuck that. I love ALL Americans too much. If a child is born into ignorance, it is the responsability of the educated to save that life, so it can contribute to society instead of perpetuating hate.

I agree we need to integrate technology into the education system. We're so behind. Japanese schools haven't bought chalk or dry erase markers in 10 YEARS!!!

Some say, I'm a dreamer.
I'm not the only one. -JL

 

[mame]

P-town represent

 

[Dan Kone]

It's not a war if only one side is fighting. The wealthy have been fighting the middle class and poor since the 80s and no one has fought back.

So I'm concerned that we don't have enough class warfare.