Only from the mind of a Democrat ...

[medicineman]

Maybe something like this:

1 Stay in school so you can get a decent job.
2 work like you owned the business yourself for you may someday.
3 treat your boss as you want to be treated, but take no crap from him/her.
4 When you go home at night, know that you did the best job you could that day
6 pay your taxes so those less fortunate may get a helping hand. Taxes are a society's way of evening the playing field for those that didn't get the chances you did, albeit there are many sinister uses of those funds, and those need to be reigned in.
7 Know your government is not perfect and hold them accountable for their transgressions.
8 alwaye be true to yourself and treat everyone as you would want to be treated.
9 Love those that will let you and pity those that will not.
10 Always know that you have been loved and that I will always love you.

 

[ZenMaster]

??? The only reason our energy technology is what it is, is because it is what it is. How are you going to make it what it isn't? When we start seriously exploring for energy, we see what is, not what we "hope" can be. Alternative sources of energy should mean more oil wells domestically, but the dreamers see what they want. We have an entire worlds infrastructure based on the combustion engine and similar technologies, which required oil to work most efficiently, not the other way around. "Hey, look at this oil stuff. Let's develop a way to harness it's amazing stored energy potential." Not quite. Oil is what it is........stored energy. It powers this world. To demand alternates, based on a feeling, and to, "coincidentally", also demand the decreased ability to have a high standard of living, is unrealistic, and frankly, juvenile. This isn't weaning the baby off of mothers milk, this is weaning the baby off food entirely.

I am going to have to disagree.

The world's energy was once based only upon coal, and before that, steam.

Oil's era was 1900s-early 2000s. Its end is neigh.

There are many, many, more efficient and higher yield energy/production ratio than petroleum products. In fact, Einstein went on to say that if you turned a 1cent penny into complete energy, it would power New York City for 3 years.

Solving our looming energy crisis by pock-marking the entire country with oil wells and refineries is not an option, and oil is not a renewable resource, and it will run out.

It would shake our economy with the transition, however it wouldn't be the end of the world, we would rebuild our economy for the next installment of the human race's energy source.

 

[ccodiane]

I am going to have to disagree.

The world's energy was once based only upon coal, and before that, steam.

Both are still widely used. Clean coal technology is a great idea, and is being constantly improved upon. This technology usually, or often, uses coal powered furnaces to boil water, producing steam to turn turbines, to produce energy. Nuclear would be a great alternative to this, but no other technology will suffice to power our homes, roads, and businesses.

Oil's era was 1900s-early 2000s. Its end is neigh.

The proof is in the pudding, no? It would seem you are wrong, once the proof is examined.

There are many, many, more efficient and higher yield energy/production ratio than petroleum products. In fact, Einstein went on to say that if you turned a 1cent penny into complete energy, it would power New York City for 3 years.

Name a few of these products and how they have replaced oil, in any example you can think of.

Solving our looming energy crisis by pock-marking the entire country with oil wells and refineries is not an option, and oil is not a renewable resource, and it will run out.

Drilling technology is still in its infancy, and should be embraced. To reduce the "footprint" is the only viable option. Not eliminate drilling completely. I would love to see more refineries in this country, as this is integral part of the energy independence thing. Producing, as opposed to importing, our gasoline is paramount. Oil is renewable. To suggest otherwise is to suggest the oil in the ground has been there since the coalescing of this planet, and is not constantly being created within the Earth. This is a naive assumption.

It would shake our economy with the transition, however it wouldn't be the end of the world, we would rebuild our economy for the next installment of the human race's energy source.

It would bring the world to it's knees. Except for China, India, etc etc etc etc. The "smart" countries who realize oil is the fuel that powers the industrialized world, and will be for centuries to come, and choose to work with reality, as opposed to fighting it. It should, and will, be the US that creates the technologies that eventually move us away from oil, coal, and other "dirty" fuel sources. This will move at the speed of capitalism, which tends to LOVE oil. Like I said, hundreds of years minimum, save a huge breakthrough, which again, will be discovered by private capital investment in technology in order to profit from it.

 

[ZenMaster]

It would bring the world to it's knees. Except for China, India, etc etc etc etc. The "smart" countries who realize oil is the fuel that powers the industrialized world, and will be for centuries to come, and choose to work with reality, as opposed to fighting it. It should, and will, be the US that creates the technologies that eventually move us away from oil, coal, and other "dirty" fuel sources. This will move at the speed of capitalism, which tends to LOVE oil. Like I said, hundreds of years minimum, save a huge breakthrough, which again, will be discovered by private capital investment in technology in order to profit from it.

Dude no.

The world needs to move beyond oil to a more efficient and clean energy source.

You need to see this
YouTube - Water Fuel Car

I think he's dead now.

 

[ccodiane]

Dude no.

The world needs to move beyond oil to a more efficient and clean energy source.

You need to see this
YouTube - Water Fuel Car

I think he's dead now.

What's the name of this thread?

 

[We TaRdED]

YouTube - Water Fuel Car

I think he's dead now.

i think they all die anyone that finds a way to turn water into fuel dies, i think there was a guy that found this out in the 70's or so.

i think whats more interesting is the movie that you linked me Zen.

YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT U.FO MEETING

start @ 6mins to get to the energy part.

notably, the part that says, if we use the ET flying saucer technologies that it would end the looming energy crisis definitively. pretty cool! wtg E.T.

i would love to fly around space faster than the speed of light!! sounds like a good time

 

[We TaRdED]

whats the faces about? your just hearing this now for the first time? the only problem with this is, that it wont benefit the international banksters. therefor until they find a way to charge good money for water, it most likely wont happen any time soon.

speaking of water.............. have you guys heard about certain municipal water systems containing pharmaceuticals?

 

[ccodiane]

whats the faces about? your just hearing this now for the first time? the only problem with this is, that it wont benefit the international banksters. therefor until they find a way to charge good money for water, it most likely wont happen any time soon.

speaking of water.............. have you guys heard about certain municipal water systems containing pharmaceuticals?

Last time I checked, bottled water costs as much as, or more than, gasoline......last time I checked. Imagine if we started using water for fuel. It's already been done, and disproved, anyhow; food for fuel. Ethanol, and it's a bust.

 

[We TaRdED]

Last time I checked, bottled water costs as much as, or more than, gasoline......last time I checked.

ya, but tap water would still be cheap...........??????????? plus i think the guy said that on a 100mile trip he uses 4 oz of water!!!!!!
im not sure if thats exclusively water power or the hybrid power???

Imagine if we started using water for fuel. It's already been done, and disproved, anyhow;

huh? who? what? where? when? how?

food for fuel. Ethanol, and it's a bust.

ya,i hear in Brazil it used instead of gas(?) not sure the facts though.

i think biodiesel is a good alternative. go get a double cheeseburger and fill up your tank for a $1. lol jk, supply and demand.

 

[ZenMaster]

Last time I checked, bottled water costs as much as, or more than, gasoline......last time I checked. Imagine if we started using water for fuel. It's already been done, and disproved, anyhow; food for fuel. Ethanol, and it's a bust.

The only reason bottled water costs more is because it is manufactured by companies and recently there is a high demand for it, but tap water is essentially, free.

And on the video, everyone using water to power their cars wouldn't dry up our water source because it would fall back to earth. Its genius and it would solve many problems we have now.

And it hasn't already been done, it hasn't been disproved, it has been sealed shut by the Oil Industries, every time someone invents a new carburetor that can get 80 miles to the gallon, or some sort of new engine 2 things happen.

1. They buy the patent off you and they lock it up forever.
2. They simply kill you.

Most people choose option one and become millionaires and just live off their invention they sold off.

The Gas companies are holding this country back, can you not see it?

 

[medicineman]

The only reason bottled water costs more is because it is manufactured by companies and recently there is a high demand for it, but tap water is essentially, free.

And on the video, everyone using water to power their cars wouldn't dry up our water source because it would fall back to earth. Its genius and it would solve many problems we have now.

And it hasn't already been done, it hasn't been disproved, it has been sealed shut by the Oil Industries, every time someone invents a new carburetor that can get 80 miles to the gallon, or some sort of new engine 2 things happen.

1. They buy the patent off you and they lock it up forever.
2. They simply kill you.

Most people choose option one and become millionaires and just live off their invention they sold off.

The Gas companies are holding this country back, can you not see it?

And again I say, My God Zen, we most wholeheartedly agree. Never thought that would happen twice. I'm wondering, do you believe in extraterrestials also? Serpo.org - The Zeta Reticuli Exchange Program If you read all the info there they have a device the size of a shoebox that emits electrical energy, Enough to run a large house and beyond with no input, just plug into it and away you go. The device adjusts to the load and provides according to need, (Communistic in nature) Love to have one of those, but the power companies would never let that happen

 

[ViRedd]

Maybe something like this:

1 Stay in school so you can get a decent job.
2 work like you owned the business yourself for you may someday.
3 treat your boss as you want to be treated, but take no crap from him/her.
4 When you go home at night, know that you did the best job you could that day
6 pay your taxes so those less fortunate may get a helping hand. Taxes are a society's way of evening the playing field for those that didn't get the chances you did, albeit there are many sinister uses of those funds, and those need to be reigned in.
7 Know your government is not perfect and hold them accountable for their transgressions.
8 alwaye be true to yourself and treat everyone as you would want to be treated.
9 Love those that will let you and pity those that will not.
10 Always know that you have been loved and that I will always love you.

With the exception of #6, I agree with everything you've said in the above post. Now then, why don't you reflect and espouse those thoughts here in the forum?

Vi

 

[ZenMaster]

And again I say, My God Zen, we most wholeheartedly agree. Never thought that would happen twice. I'm wondering, do you believe in extraterrestials also? Serpo.org - The Zeta Reticuli Exchange Program If you read all the info there they have a device the size of a shoebox that emits electrical energy, Enough to run a large house and beyond with no input, just plug into it and away you go. The device adjusts to the load and provides according to need, (Communistic in nature) Love to have one of those, but the power companies would never let that happen

Yes, they talk about the technologies they have acquired from alien UFOs and crafts in this video

YouTube - U.F.O DISCLOSURE PROJECT U.FO MEETING

Its 2 hour run time is a little daunting but if you watch the first 12 minutes of it, you will want to watch the whole thing.

The first 3 minutes is some goofy bastard talking, but after him is the actual host.


Also, this is very interesting
YouTube - UFOs-NASA (http://freegary.org.uk/)

 

[john.roberts85]

FOXNews.com - Michigan Congressman Wants 50-Cent Tax Hike on Every Gallon of Gas - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

It's funny that they quote the NCPPR for an opposing view to Dingell's. Wasn't Abramoff on their BoD? Yeah, I'll believe what they say.

 

[ccodiane]

The only reason bottled water costs more is because it is manufactured by companies and recently there is a high demand for it, but tap water is essentially, free.

Many bottled waters come directly from municipal supplies throughout the country. The reason they are overpriced is idiot yuppies paying 1000 times more than the base cost, and thinking they are saving the planet, yet forgetting about the cost of transporting water around the world, which is heavy and takes up a lot of space, using oil.

And on the video, everyone using water to power their cars wouldn't dry up our water source because it would fall back to earth. Its genius and it would solve many problems we have now.

Yeah, right. What if you took all the water from the US, and most of the precipitation fell in South America, or the Middle East, leaving the US dry? Genius, just like using corn for fuel.

And it hasn't already been done, it hasn't been disproved, it has been sealed shut by the Oil Industries, every time someone invents a new carburetor that can get 80 miles to the gallon, or some sort of new engine 2 things happen.

1. They buy the patent off you and they lock it up forever.
2. They simply kill you.

Most people choose option one and become millionaires and just live off their invention they sold off.

They do? Are you one of these geniuses?

The Gas companies are holding this country back, can you not see it?

I see millions of hard headed, stubborn individuals, who will give a pass to companies selling water for more than a gallon of gas, but can't learn to appreciate, love even, the free market system that keeps fuel in our gas tanks, keeps our houses warm or cool, cooks our dinners, etc etc etc, and the companies who do us that great service. Get real. Meds endorsement should be an indicator of your lack of foresight, and common sense.

 

[ViRedd]

"I see millions of hard headed, stubborn individuals, who will give a pass to companies selling water for more than a gallon of gas, but can't learn to appreciate, love even, the free market system that keeps fuel in our gas tanks, keeps our houses warm or cool, cooks our dinners, etc etc etc, and the companies who do us that great service. Get real. Meds endorsement should be an indicator of your lack of foresight, and common sense."

Well said.

Here's another perspective: I use the middle grade of gasoline. Its selling locally for around 3.79 per gallon. That gallon of gas will get me about 20 miles down the highway with my present car. Now, imagine that I have a two-ton crate sitting in my driveway that I needed moved to the next town 20 miles away. I call movers and ask for estimates. The final bid is from a guy who says he'll move my moving crate the 20 miles for only $3.79. I'd think ... what, is this guy crazy? And yet, the motorized crate I'm driving goes the 20 miles for the same cost running on that gallon of gas. The point is ... its all in our perception.

Vi

 

[ZenMaster]

I see millions of hard headed, stubborn individuals, who will give a pass to companies selling water for more than a gallon of gas, but can't learn to appreciate, love even, the free market system that keeps fuel in our gas tanks, keeps our houses warm or cool, cooks our dinners, etc etc etc, and the companies who do us that great service. Get real. Meds endorsement should be an indicator of your lack of foresight, and common sense.

I am unable to comprehend your logic, because there is none.

My solution is move to hydrogen where it would be free, more powerful, better for the environment, and free us from the Oil Company's grip.

Oil companies are not our friendly, neighborhood quikimarts who provide us with a simple service.

They are giant corporations who control the known world and we are getting it from exports, we are giving middle east princes alot of money.

I do not know why you keep bringing up bottled water, that has nothing to do with anything, water is abundant and free on this planet.

If it were a true free market then they wouldn't kill off every invention that would put a financial stress on them.

The power from water burns hotter, cleaner, and requires less consumption than petroleum. How is this bad?

And did you not watch that Water Engine video or were you to eager to spam your nonsense here. You can use that energy for anything, that includes blow torches, water heaters, engines and generators, your freaking fireplace.

Even though I disagree with Med on numerous subjects does not mean I am against everything he believes, just for the sake of being unlike him. That is petty and ignorant.

You have a serious lack of judgment on Hydrogen Power. Do you work for an oil company or something?

 

[ccodiane]

I am unable to comprehend your logic, because there is none.

My solution is move to hydrogen where it would be free, more powerful, better for the environment, and free us from the Oil Company's grip.

Oil companies are not our friendly, neighborhood quikimarts who provide us with a simple service.

They are giant corporations who control the known world and we are getting it from exports, we are giving middle east princes alot of money.

I do not know why you keep bringing up bottled water, that has nothing to do with anything, water is abundant and free on this planet.

If it were a true free market then they wouldn't kill off every invention that would put a financial stress on them.

The power from water burns hotter, cleaner, and requires less consumption than petroleum. How is this bad?

And did you not watch that Water Engine video or were you to eager to spam your nonsense here. You can use that energy for anything, that includes blow torches, water heaters, engines and generators, your freaking fireplace.

Even though I disagree with Med on numerous subjects does not mean I am against everything he believes, just for the sake of being unlike him. That is petty and ignorant.

You have a serious lack of judgment on Hydrogen Power. Do you work for an oil company or something?

What thread are we in again.............?

 

[medicineman]

I see millions of hard headed, stubborn individuals, who will give a pass to companies selling water for more than a gallon of gas, but can't learn to appreciate, love even, the free market system that keeps fuel in our gas tanks, keeps our houses warm or cool, cooks our dinners, etc etc etc, and the companies who do us that great service. Get real. Meds endorsement should be an indicator of your lack of foresight, and common sense.

The oil companies as free market industries is really a stretch. They are a monopoly that control the price of oil accross the planet. They tell tall tales of shortages, lack of refineries, OPEC gouging etc., but in reality they are the ones that set prices and the speculators fuel the rise in prices. If The oil industry is the model for free market systems, we're fucked.

 

[We TaRdED]

we're fucked.

yup, pretty much