OMG Elizabeth Warren is such a socialist

dukeanthony

New Member
I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.
“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.
“Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
-Elizabeth Warren
 

boneheadbob

Well-Known Member
Dont buy into her bs
Socialism sounds great as long as you suck on the capitalist tit but when the tit is removed you will all be commies and we all know what that means.

Dont we?
 

MuyLocoNC

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I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.
“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.
“Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
-Elizabeth Warren
Total horseshit and so easy to pick apart.

Roads - What if goods are transported by companies like Fed Ex, UPS and the like, they pay for use of the roads and put those costs into the prices they charge the guy with the factory. Also, the guy with the factory paid his share towards the roads the same way the rest of us do, the embedded taxes in gasoline that he bought for his personal cars and for the businesses vehicles... so he is paid if full, no excuse for extra taxes here.

Police/Fire Dept - Unless he somehow made use of these services beyond what any law abiding citizen that simply exists does, the owner of the factory paid his share in the state and local taxes as well as property taxes and other fees. Unless you're going to assert that because he owns a business, he is more of a drain on the cops and firefighters that never had to respond to a call from him? If the owner didn't call the police or the fire department, they were free to do exactly what they were going to be doing anyways...patroling and fighting crime...he made no more use of that service than I did. No excuse for extra taxes here either.

Educated employees - So the government takes control of education, against the wishes of many... so people who hire workers that are products of a public education (which is just about everyone) owe extra because the government insisted on doing something that would have been done by the private sector anyways. That's quite a scam you got going on there. Using the same logic, I guess once the factory owner "EDUCATES" the employee and gives him a marketable skill through in house training, that employer is forever due a portion of his future earnings, after all they paid to train him. No? Hmmm, guess that kills that argument as well.

The fact is employers pay for every bit of the public domain that they use already, MORE than their fair share. The Progressives could care less about anything except paying for their suicidal social engineering. It is class warfare and makes you look like slobbering cretins. The very fact that so many of your fellow citizens, who are not well-off, would defend the wealthy against your Un-American selective taxation on nothing more than principle, should let you know you're in the wrong. There should be a flat tax rate with a standardized cost of living deduction for every citizen.
 

NoDrama

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Muyloco makes a good point. If I am going to foot the bill for educating children through my property taxes, then i want a cut of all income they make for the rest of their lives, after all, fair is fair.
 

UncleBuck

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Muyloco makes a good point. If I am going to foot the bill for educating children through my property taxes, then i want a cut of all income they make for the rest of their lives, after all, fair is fair.
how about you get to not live in a shit hole?

fair?
 

laughingduck

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I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own — nobody.
“You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory — and hire someone to protect against this — because of the work the rest of us did.
“Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless — keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”
-Elizabeth Warren
This exactly the way of thinking that is the problem with this country! Instead of focusing on producing in a meaningful way, lets be envious and take from someone else. What is really ironic is that the folks that think this crap are usually contributing the very least.
 

undertheice

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it seems rather funny that "the rest of us" paid to educate the workers, build the roads and protect society, but there's no mention in there of the simple fact that the successful businessman has also paid in on all those things already. all he has done is taken the advantages that we have all provided and used them more effectively than the rest of us. he is already taxed at a higher level. he provides jobs and obviously, since he has met with some success, a useful service for the community. he stimulates the economy by consuming more than his poorer neighbors can and, as has been shown time and again, donates more of his wealth willingly to various causes. so just what more is it that the successful man owes us?

whenever i hear dimwits like elizabeth warren speak and see how their inane ramblings are applauded, i am reminded just how greedy and self-serving the restless mob really is. in a nation that barely knows true poverty, there seems to be a tendency to believe that one is poor simply because he can't afford the luxuries he would like to enjoy. when we consider internet access, cell phone service and a television to be basic necessities, we lose track of what it means to be poor. that we applaud someone who advocates stealing from others so that we can all attain these things is another in the long list of sad commentaries on the shallowness of liberal america.
 

NoDrama

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how about you get to not live in a shit hole?

fair?
If you live in a shit hole, it is 99% your own fault, not because some rich factory owner didn't pay extra taxes. Self determination? ever heard of it? It means that you yourself can do what is necessary to improve your own situation.
 

mame

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In portland we have the MAX and bus lines and they're subsidized in part by a tax on business. Is that unreasonable? I mean, surely everybody can make use of the transit system we have but surely it is the business owners who are really benefiting the most... Want to go to saturday market? The MAX will take you there. The mall? The MAX will take you there. Come to think of it, I wonder just how positive of an impact the transit system has on Portland's economy... I want to say there was a study done, but I can't find it.

My point is that there are plenty of examples where business benefits from government intervention moreso than the average citizen and those instances warrant additional taxation(and in the end, you have yourself a progressive tax system).

Also, a flat tax would only accelerate the process of redistribution upwards out of the hands of the working class and into the hands of the already unimaginably rich top 1%.
 

MuyLocoNC

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In portland we have the MAX and bus lines and they're subsidized in part by a tax on business. Is that unreasonable? I mean, surely everybody can make use of the transit system we have but surely it is the business owners who are really benefiting the most... Want to go to saturday market? The MAX will take you there. The mall? The MAX will take you there. Come to think of it, I wonder just how positive of an impact the transit system has on Portland's economy... I want to say there was a study done, but I can't find it.

My point is that there are plenty of examples where business benefits from government intervention moreso than the average citizen and those instances warrant additional taxation(and in the end, you have yourself a progressive tax system).


Also, a flat tax would only accelerate the process of redistribution upwards out of the hands of the working class and into the hands of the already unimaginably rich top 1%.

What about the businesses that absolutely don't benefit from a public transportation system. Say for example car dealerships, taxi cab services, auto repair shops, bicycle shops, motorcycle dealers etc, etc. Are you exempting them from paying extra taxes since it actually hurts their businesses? Of course not. They would be forced to pay additional taxes for a government intervention that diminishes their business.

You can pick it apart, but you get the idea. Businesses don't benefit any more than the individuals who make use of a public transportation system. You're also assuming everyone who rides the MAX is on their way to buy something. Government workers using it to and from work, guy on his way to cash his unemployment check, criminal going in to town to mug an old lady (couldnt help that one). The fact is business owners pay their share in the form of taxes and fees the same as every other individual.

The progressive tax system is an abomination and should be shitcanned as quickly as possible.
 

ginjawarrior

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What about the businesses that absolutely don't benefit from a public transportation system. Say for example car dealerships, taxi cab services, auto repair shops, bicycle shops, motorcycle dealers etc, etc. Are you exempting them from paying extra taxes since it actually hurts their businesses? Of course not. They would be forced to pay additional taxes for a government intervention that diminishes their business.

You can pick it apart, but you get the idea. Businesses don't benefit any more than the individuals who make use of a public transportation system. You're also assuming everyone who rides the MAX is on their way to buy something. Government workers using it to and from work, guy on his way to cash his unemployment check, criminal going in to town to mug an old lady (couldnt help that one). The fact is business owners pay their share in the form of taxes and fees the same as every other individual.

The progressive tax system is an abomination and should be shitcanned as quickly as possible.
car dealerships: arent the people who's businesses doing well because of the buses gonna want to buy cars with their extra profits?
taxi cab services: a lot of people after they have caught the bus into town and filled up their bags with shopping will elect to catch a taxi home because its easier
auto repair shops: dont buses ever need repairing?
bicycle shops: would love to see your figures on people using pushbikes to travel too and from mall carrying shopping bags
motorcycle dealers: slightly more practical for shopping but not really

im pretty sure you'l find a net worth in running buses for buisness
 

NoDrama

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Buses don't run so that they can provide profit for business. Buses run to provide transportation to whomever pays the fee. Soak the rich so that poor people can take a bus ride to nowhere.
 

ginjawarrior

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Buses don't run so that they can provide profit for business. Buses run to provide transportation to whomever pays the fee. Soak the rich so that poor people can take a bus ride to nowhere.
i thought they give the people who dont drive the ability to get to work to earn money and the ability to get to shops to spend money? (even if they are just cashing unemployment check)

there really arent many poor people that spend the day on bus just for the sake of it they're used to get somewhere
 
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