Wow, i missed that big chunk up there. thnkr, u dont understand me very well, so im gonna be blunt with my thoughts, just so i come across in a clearer way. im not meaning to display any sort of hostility. oh and i look forward to the lightspead idea u got, im sure itll be interesting, hopefelly ground-breaking!
preo i get what you are saying but i do live my life for myself and those i love... although i ask god for wisdom and strength everyday i don't ask him to live my life for me
he cant give it to u. any help u receive is a product of u subconsciously comparing urself to him and using some of the faith u put in him. (when i say faith i mean the fact that u believing him to exist. the more u believe in him, the less u believe in urself.)
... my belief in god as i've said before doesn't point to god being some puppeteer and we his puppets... i believe we were given an opprotunity by god and then god left us alone... i believe humans have always been just as god but that we lacked a free will...
u lack a free will? i believe the same thing... u are a puppet, dont get confused. my argument is that nobody is actually consciously controlling us tho.
we were energy before given a physical body...
i dont get it. maybe we should talk about this next. enlighten me.
you like many others label yourself a victim... note that i'm not namecalling don't think that but by your train of thought in that we have no choices and life happens as it will you give yourself no control therefore you have no right to claim you make your own decicions...
i know what it feels like to have no control. sitting in the cockpit but having autopilot control everything. i lived years like this. ive experienced trips where i seriously couldnt feel anything and i was doing shit without my own will. when i speak of the illusion of choice i am not talk about this.
i am saying that the nature of choice is baseless. the choice is there, but everything else is controlling ur choice. it all started with ur birth. u had no choice of being alive. everything else stems from that. who u are, the person who makes the choices, is a product of stuff that u really dont have control over. yes, over time u gain more control over ur environment, but when u were born...
you would have me think that we are all robots in one sentence and then tell me to live my life for myself in another... this makes no sense how can i live my life for myself if i have no choice???
such beautiful irony. for the record, im saying that
u are living like a robot and have no choice. i dont live as a robot because i accept the nature of the universe and work with what i got. u make a reality where u happily give up ur own worth in hopes of sucking up to the big guy. u ask if how can i live my life for myself if i have no choice. im not sure, but i do. the same way u cant really explain how u choose to do shit every day. same thing here.
and if you live your life for yourself you might as well kill the children... but would that make you feel bad??? why have a concious if there is no good and evil that means everything is justifiable...
that would make me feel bad. i dont think death is a bad thing, but i would feel bad for the families left behind. i dont choose to have a conscious, i just have one. i can ignore it, but id rather use the will on more nice/productive thoughts. if i look at things in a broader way, i do see that everything is 'justifiable' (i wouldnt use that word tho, justice is BS) but if i hope to have social relationships wit others, i have to connect with them on an emotional level. i have to be able to feel their emotions. if i hurt somebody around me, i hurt myself. its just for peace of mind that i wouldnt want to hurt people i dont know. its not about good and evil. to do good things because u think u "have to" is just censored "evilness"
thats what satanists believe... you can fuck whoever you want because it feels good but when you get AIDS or another STD well thats ok... you can kill whoever you want if they piss you off... who cares your life is more important then any other life and that makes those other lives insignificant... if you want to eat mc donalds 24/7/365 do it... sure you might have a heart attack within the first month but hell the food tastes good... why go to work??? why do anything???
Whoah! if i havent made it clear, i consider myself a Satanist. ur kinda preaching to the gospel here. and while im happy u dont think i worship the devil, u do have a very disturbed view of satansim. while fulfilling carnal desires is the largest part of satanism, it certainly isnt the Golden Rule. respect for ones body is extremely important for a satanist, so getting std's or having a heart attack would not be alright. a true satanist would not kill whoever they want just cuz they pissed them off. i do consider some others lives as insignificant, however. u, for instance, have not accepted ur responsibility to accept the nature of the world around u, so i dont think u are living life to its fullest. i believe u are a misguided, silly man who does not know what he wants from life. like u before me, i am not name-calling so dont think that.
my belief in a god doesn't rule me... it is just what i believe part of who i am
i dont see the difference. who u are determines ur decisions in life
my karma is better then you can even imagine...
Karma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - please read this. karma isntlike good luck and bad luck, its not a teeter-totter in which "what goes around comes around"
life is important to me but i know the difference in good and evil understand that i have choices and try my best to make the right ones...
thats the main thing that matters i guess. good job
you propose a world full of robots that do what they are programmed to do by life... this idea to me just as drugs are is sickening...
some people have a inclination to reject things they are uncomfortable with. u might be on the verge of enlightenment. push thru.
i have seen to many things in my even though it hasn't been very long... these things make a higher purpose obvious to me almost as if i can see the machine working in the background... its like looking through tinted windows... i know something is there but i can't quite see it clear enough to describe it...
really sounds like u may be on the verge of epiphany. but the mind can find truth in anything. if u look at the world wanting to prove there is a god, im sure u can do it pretty easy. i try to see the world for what it is and base ideas that way.
in a universe known to be of infinite capability how can you convincingly say you know something for a fact to be impossible... do you not think this is naive???
sure, holding any information about anything is naive. but i choose to 'know' shit so i can live a normal life. i could meditate my whole life, hoping that a clear mind will allow me to "ascend" to a higher consciousness after death, but thats seems to be a pretty big gamble, imo.
how dare you i or anyone ever claim to know everything... that truly is a shame... you preo and skunk and godikas and many others are blinded by your own pride
are u serious? while i will say i do have some pride, u should see that im not a overly-proud man. i dont even believe that my actions are my own... i dont know everything, but i do form a model of the universe on what i see to be true. once again, u are comparing humans to ur imaginary friend. there is no god,
true knowledge is impossible
... i have tried to make you guys understand that we know nothing and you give me your trivial arguments and try to turn my way of thinking even though i've said many times i have no specific way of thinking just an open mind and willingness to learn...
irony. im just trying to help out others while understanding what i really believe. these arguments are not trivial. ur the one making up models of existence based on energy.
but don't believe you know anything for certain because truly you don't and probably never will just as i probably never will but i will try you guys have already given up...
man, stop with all this self-righteous crap. (go ahead and consider this an insult if u want) u act like u are enlightened because u dont believe in alot of stuff, but u fail to see that ur reality is distorted. i believe in a neutral universe. i dont believe in segmenting it with the want of an imaginary babysitter.
all i really know is that i exist, and this world is a reflection of my self. i am a reflection of my surroundings. this is all i hold to be true, everything else is just a matter of etiquette.
i disacknowledge an omnipotent creator because it doesnt make sense. there is no need, no reason to invest any thought, belief or faith in something of that nature.
unless u hope to prove "what the point of life is" or "where did we come from" theres no need for a god. these questions are ridiculous. by asking them u assume His existence. before u heard somebody asking these questions , u knew the nature of the universe. it just is. "God" is the true evil. "God" makes u feel insignificant enough to dissect reality in an alternative way, allowing others to take advantage of ur naivety.
i really hope u come around thinkr. seriously, ur a cool dude and u deserve better.