My first auto grow was original low ryder and that plant is tiny. Like a foot fully grown and you were luck if you could get 7 grams off of it. because they were so small, they were great for discrete outside garden grows, but the small yield almost makes them a waste of time. But if it wasn't for the original Low Ryder, none of these auto's would be around so you have to give the Joint Doctor a lot of respect! To answer your question, so far I am loving the short ryder. It is growing great, a bit bigger than I was expecting but from me previous grows, I will expect at least an ounce out of each plant so with four I have, a good quarter pound will be a great reward for my growing work. How did you mess up the short ryder? I have been feeding the hell out of them and them seem to love it!