It Pisses Me Off...

[canuckgrow]

My friend, I was in Somalia 92-93 and I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield/Storm. Sheeple! lmfao!!!!!! How original!

Let me inform you what I know from my FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE of the U.S. government's actions in those 2 conflicts (this, of course, is the distilled version). Saddam/Iraq invaded Kuwait. The U.S. led a coalition of around 32 countries to liberate Kuwait, which we did quite brilliantly with relatively few civilian casualties. As for Somalia? I don't have to ask anybody shit! I was there my friend! I personally vaccinated hundreds of Somali children, helped feed countless others and helped protect food distribution centers. Now I'm not going to get into a debate about the bad things governments do. I think most of us who post in this forum are quite aware of all the conspiracy theories and abuses perpetrated by ours and many other governments. War is a terrible thing, but sometimes a necessary one, especially when a rogue dictator like Saddam (and yes, I'm aware of the U.S. involvement and backing of the Baath party coup of '68 in which the Baath party and Saddam came into power) is bent on invading a peaceful neighboring country. Yes Virginia, governments do shady shit. Get over it! kiss-ass

I've met scores of people, just like yourself, who just have an anti-government stance, for whatever reason. That's not my concern, you are free to have your opinions and I am free to disagree with and voice that disagreement here in this forum (Isn't free speech wonderful?). Whether you like what I have to say or not is also of little consequence to me. I've been around long enough to realize that there is usually a shred of truth to most conspiracy theories. As for you thinking the WTC was a controlled demo?????? lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you a demolition expert or engineer? I'm not a gambler but if I were I would bet my next harvest the answer is "no". I'm also a retired firefighter that actually spent a few weeks on "the pile" in the days following the attack. I'm not an explosives expert but I did take a college course on Incident Response to Terrorist Bombings. This by no means makes me an expert on explosives but we did do a number of training excersises in which live explosives were used. I saw no evidence of explosives, and neither did any of my numerous aquaintences and friends on the FDNY who witnessed the attack and made entry into the towers.

I've studied many of these conspiracy theories and there is a reason why they are called "theories". It's because no conclusive proof is known to exist that can prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, these things to be the "real story". Was JFK killed by the CIA, or the Cubans, or the Russians? Perhaps. Was 9/11 some huge elaborate hoax perpetrated on the world? I highly doubt it. That type of operation would've involved thousands of people in order to make it look like a convincing terror attack, and make no mistake, the conspiracy theory folks are in the minority. You can't keep thousands of people quiet, especially about something of this magnitude. Do I believe everything the 9/11 commission tells me (nice strawman BTW)? I am skeptical of everything, as any intelligent person should be. That said, I have no convincing proof one way or the other so until proven to be wrong, I'll go with the official report.

I noticed you called me a "sheeple" and then went on to make a bunch of assumptions about me when you know squat about me. Then in your last sentence of the post you write this: "And how is it you know exactly what I know or lack of what I know?......You haven't a clue yourself so any opinion about what another person knows is utter horse shit in a bears ass."

I'm even not going to point out the hypocrasy of your statement and how it relates to statements YOU previously made about me. Nope, not gonna do it.

Ok so this is the internet...If you were indeed there and remember this is the internet you would have been one of the sheeple on the ground doing exactly as you are told and good for you for helping those people out.....You haven't the foggiest idea what the spooks in Langley are doing or have been doing which led you to be on the ground risking your life in the first place. Or the reasons they saw fit to put you there. Do you even know who Blackwater, KBR and Haliburton are? why would you leave them out of any argument concerning these events?

Oh and you just wave off my accusations about the relationship between Saddam Hussein and the US government with the oldest reference you could find......Never mind all the shit that happened between then and Desert Storm. Iran/Iraq war and the stuff we have no idea about that will never see the light of day. How they in fact armed him to the teeth against Iran.....Enough about Iraq......You don't have to be a demo expert to see the similarities between the towers and building # 7 falling and 100's of other demo jobs all available for viewing anytime you want to open your eyes......here is a little bit of my side: [video=youtube;7E3oIbO0AWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE[/video]

Someone wise once told me that their are 3 sides to every story....His side.....Her side....and the truth....

 

[medicineman]

I know I’m going to hate myself for even bothering but here goes.
Please post some actual proof of a government cover up. Any actual paper evidence the government did it, or a demolitions guy who said yea I helped, a witness to pre destruction work, anything but those dim witted self-proclaimed experts saying it had to be an inside job.

The fucking top of the building fell in on the rest of the building. It’s not like the tops were knocked off and away from the rest of the buildings then they collapsed. The government can’t keep a secret. If it was an inside job someone would have sold that information the day it happened.

In case you haven’t noticed governments are run by man and they make mistakes. It like James Madison who said if men were angles no government would be needed. If you ask me America has been involved in situations we shouldn’t have because of decisions our leaders have made. But this country has done a lot more good than bad.

You want an example of a good thing look at the Berlin Blockade. Oh and Americans are so bad we give more to charity than any other country. Oh yea let’s not forget thanks to the U.S. military we have the internet. We are a terrible country. You can kiss this American’s ass.

Oh and this country was founded by a bunch of guys with “pop guns” fighting the largest military force in the world at the time.

Jingoism, ain't it wounderous. This country was founded by men with "angles", and they certainly weren't "angels". It was the rich landowners and merchants that wanted loose from British rule, the average Joe Schmoe frontiersman in his little log cabin could care less about government, and actually ended up paying more taxes after the revolution, even after risking his life on some pre-jingoistic crap from the rich guys. It has always been about the Benjamins, even before they were called that, Rich VS poor, as far back as you want to take it, and no end in sight. I actually wonder if this country might be a better place to live, (For the people) if the rich people had lost to the British. Check your history, (Revised, I know) books, it was always some rich guy starting shit against the British. I am no champion for the British, but really, how much better do we have it than them? At least they have universal health care and actually have the Balls to march in the streets when their government pulls some underhanded crap. We just sit around and bitch on the internet.

 

[doc111]

Ok so this is the internet...If you were indeed there and remember this is the internet you would have been one of the sheeple on the ground doing exactly as you are told and good for you for helping those people out.....You haven't the foggiest idea what the spooks in Langley are doing or have been doing which led you to be on the ground risking your life in the first place. Or the reasons they saw fit to put you there. Do you even know who Blackwater, KBR and Haliburton are? why would you leave them out of any argument concerning these events?

Oh and you just wave off my accusations about the relationship between Saddam Hussein and the US government with the oldest reference you could find......Never mind all the shit that happened between then and Desert Storm. Iran/Iraq war and the stuff we have no idea about that will never see the light of day. How they in fact armed him to the teeth against Iran.....Enough about Iraq......You don't have to be a demo expert to see the similarities between the towers and building # 7 falling and 100's of other demo jobs all available for viewing anytime you want to open your eyes......here is a little bit of my side: [video=youtube;7E3oIbO0AWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE[/video]

Someone wise once told me that their are 3 sides to every story....His side.....Her side....and the truth....

And I suppose you somehow have "inside knowledge" about what goes on down at Langley? People who work inside Langley don't know what the fuck is going on down at Langley! lmfao!!!!!!!!!! I've actually been there too though. Have you?

As for KBR, Halliburton, and Blackwater? Yes, I'm aware of them. They are military contractors. So what? War profiteering is nothing new. Do you have some sort of inside knowledge or hard evidence of some sort of wrongdoing or conspiracy? I've seen Loose Change and Zeitgeist and all that crap. Yes, I said crap. Entertaining and thought provoking, but I didn't see much offered in the way of hard evidence, just speculation and theory.

What do you mean I "waved off" your Saddam accusation? I discussed the fact that I was indeed aware of the U.S. support for Saddam during the '68 coup. What more do you want? Did the U.S. know he was going to turn out to be a tyrannical, psychopathic dictator with a thirst for blood and a taste for the over the top? I don't think they had a functioning crystal ball, but I could be wrong. Did the U.S. know he was going to gas the kurds? I have no idea and I'm betting you don't either. I don't spout a bunch of shit I heard Alex Jones say or some shit I read on the internet. I don't go around telling people to watch Loose Change. You think your thoughts are original and that you're not "drinking the kool-aid" but you're just drinking a different flavor, that's all. Yes, our government is guilty of some heinous shit, as are almost all governments. They are accused of a whole lot more, which they may or may not be responsible for, nobody seems to be able to offer up any hard evidence though. I won't discuss all that crap here. If you want to start yet another conspiracy thread and hate on the U.S. I'd be happy to post in it. I only speak what I know. If I don't know something, I'm not ashamed to admit it.

 

[BudMcLovin]

Jingoism, ain't it wounderous. This country was founded by men with "angles", and they certainly weren't "angels". It was the rich landowners and merchants that wanted loose from British rule, the average Joe Schmoe frontiersman in his little log cabin could care less about government, and actually ended up paying more taxes after the revolution, even after risking his life on some pre-jingoistic crap from the rich guys. It has always been about the Benjamins, even before they were called that, Rich VS poor, as far back as you want to take it, and no end in sight. I actually wonder if this country might be a better place to live, (For the people) if the rich people had lost to the British. Check your history, (Revised, I know) books, it was always some rich guy starting shit against the British. I am no champion for the British, but really, how much better do we have it than them? At least they have universal health care and actually have the Balls to march in the streets when their government pulls some underhanded crap. We just sit around and bitch on the internet.

Yea my dyslexia kicking into full gear there. I never said the founding fathers were angels, I believe just the opposite. So did they that’s why we ended up with the system of government we have.

The average Jos Schmoe was the majority of the people fighting the British. I don’t think there were that many evil rich people around. Valley Forge was full of rich people I guess. It’s only rich vs. poor because that’s how you choose to see things my friend. I’ve worked in the granite industry for the last 10 or so years and all I can say is thank God for rich people. Thanks to them I’ve been able to provide for my family. So hate on man, live that bitter life.

Jingoism, in my post? I don’t think so. I know anytime anyone has anything good to say about America it upsets you but not all Americans hate where they live. I’m glad to be an American and wouldn’t trade my citizenship for another but it sounds like you may want to apply for British citizenship maybe you’ll be able to get that chip off your shoulder.

 

[beardo]

Originally Posted by NoDrama
Its a remote controlled airplane controlled by a soldier/airman here in the USA.

Originally Posted by doc111
There are currently several agencies known to use drones. The CIA both operate drones as well.



Can they do that?? did anyone want to coment on that?

 

[Padawanbater2]

lol, well if they can't, who are you gonna call to tell on em?

..I guess that's your answer then. Government does what government wants.

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

and one hand washes the other

 

[canuckgrow]

And I suppose you somehow have "inside knowledge" about what goes on down at Langley? People who work inside Langley don't know what the fuck is going on down at Langley! lmfao!!!!!!!!!! I've actually been there too though. Have you?

As for KBR, Halliburton, and Blackwater? Yes, I'm aware of them. They are military contractors. So what? War profiteering is nothing new. Do you have some sort of inside knowledge or hard evidence of some sort of wrongdoing or conspiracy? I've seen Loose Change and Zeitgeist and all that crap. Yes, I said crap. Entertaining and thought provoking, but I didn't see much offered in the way of hard evidence, just speculation and theory.

What do you mean I "waved off" your Saddam accusation? I discussed the fact that I was indeed aware of the U.S. support for Saddam during the '68 coup. What more do you want? Did the U.S. know he was going to turn out to be a tyrannical, psychopathic dictator with a thirst for blood and a taste for the over the top? I don't think they had a functioning crystal ball, but I could be wrong. Did the U.S. know he was going to gas the kurds? I have no idea and I'm betting you don't either. I don't spout a bunch of shit I heard Alex Jones say or some shit I read on the internet. I don't go around telling people to watch Loose Change. You think your thoughts are original and that you're not "drinking the kool-aid" but you're just drinking a different flavor, that's all. Yes, our government is guilty of some heinous shit, as are almost all governments. They are accused of a whole lot more, which they may or may not be responsible for, nobody seems to be able to offer up any hard evidence though. I won't discuss all that crap here. If you want to start yet another conspiracy thread and hate on the U.S. I'd be happy to post in it. I only speak what I know. If I don't know something, I'm not ashamed to admit it.

look friend your just getting a little too angry about a simple little thread in which people whom you have never met and likely will never meet are posting some of their opinions.....If you don't agree with those opinions its all kewl and feel free to voice yours but the first thing you do is insult the opposing opinion for not having concrete evidence.....Then offer no evidence what you say is factual either......I asked you to prove me wrong...which you did not instead just gave some more insulting bullshit about tinfoil hats and all about how you served so you know exactly what the US government was doing during the 2 conflicts..........Which is what starts these little keyboard pissing matches....Of which I have no interest in participating with you or anyone else......Don't get me wrong i'm all for opposing arguments but just without all of the nutjob, tinfoil hat, sheeple name calling and personnel attacks....That isn't why I started to post here on RIU and I regret getting caught up in it. So for that I apoligize for tossing out the insults I did and will not be getting caught up in it again. So if we can carry on from here.

For the record I believe some of what the alleged "nutjob" conspiracy theories say.....I believe where there is smoke there is fire.........I believe we do not know half of what our leaders do behind closed doors and if we did know it we would revolt.....I believe that the people that hold 98% of the wealth in the world will do anything to keep it that way this includes but is not limited to: 911 and the resulting war on terror, Desert Storm, Sub Prime Crash and resulting worldwide economic shit storm.......The amount of money spent on the military industrial machine is just obscene And the whole thing pisses me off too....which was the original thread topic.

 

[doc111]

look friend your just getting a little too angry about a simple little thread in which people whom you have never met and likely will never meet are posting some of their opinions.....If you don't agree with those opinions its all kewl and feel free to voice yours but the first thing you do is insult the opposing opinion for not having concrete evidence.....Then offer no evidence what you say is factual either......I asked you to prove me wrong...which you did not instead just gave some more insulting bullshit about tinfoil hats and all about how you served so you know exactly what the US government was doing during the 2 conflicts..........Which is what starts these little keyboard pissing matches....Of which I have no interest in participating with you or anyone else......Don't get me wrong i'm all for opposing arguments but just without all of the nutjob, tinfoil hat, sheeple name calling and personnel attacks....That isn't why I started to post here on RIU and I regret getting caught up in it. So for that I apoligize for tossing out the insults I did and will not be getting caught up in it again. So if we can carry on from here.

For the record I believe some of what the alleged "nutjob" conspiracy theories say.....I believe where there is smoke there is fire.........I believe we do not know half of what our leaders do behind closed doors and if we did know it we would revolt.....I believe that the people that hold 98% of the wealth in the world will do anything to keep it that way this includes but is not limited to: 911 and the resulting war on terror, Desert Storm, Sub Prime Crash and resulting worldwide economic shit storm.......The amount of money spent on the military industrial machine is just obscene And the whole thing pisses me off too....which was the original thread topic.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!! Now you're telling me what emotion I'm feeling! Classic! I don't get mad or worked up about this shit, quite the contrary. I do this for entertainment. When it stops becoming entertaining, I simply don't read or post in the politics section. Maybe you're not ready for the politics section.

Wait a second, you called me a SHEEPLE, remember? I don't use that incredibly worn out insult and I won't use it. In fact, I am having a hard time trying to figure out exactly what I've said that insulted you. I made reference to "conspiracy nutjobs" but didn't directly call you one now did I? Everything you say is right out of the conspiracy playbook. It's almost like you and every conspiracy person out there reads the exact same websites and books! I also said I believe there is a shred of truth to most conspiracies and some may even be true. That's the problem with conspiracy theories and why I don't engage in this hobby. Neither side can really prove anything so presenting any evidence would surely be an excercise in futility. That said, I could show you mountains of 9/11 proof and you would likely just poo-poo it just like most every conspiracy person/nutjob out there! I'm also not really in a position to be presenting "proof" and I have no desire to prove anything to you. Do your own homework like I've had to do over the years. My only advice to you is to keep an open mind and be skeptical of everything, not just the things you disagree with. I was not all that different from you in my youth. I bought into many of these conspiracies and I slowly realized that it was a lot like religion. Nobody can prove God exists so to try is a waste.

 

[doc111]

Originally Posted by NoDrama
Its a remote controlled airplane controlled by a soldier/airman here in the USA.

Originally Posted by doc111
There are currently several agencies known to use drones. The CIA both operate drones as well.



Can they do that?? did anyone want to coment on that?

Can who do what? I'm assuming you are asking about the various government agencies operating drones? Who will tell them they can't?

 

[jeff f]

Yea, because those couple thousand dirty muslims are getting the shit kicked out of them by us... oh wait.. not really.. hey.. didn't they beat USSR too? Wow, impossible for millions of people to rebel - thats far out.

this made me laugh. good point cart. a bunch of native people with little to no education, nary a pair of shoes would ever be able to defeat a massive army dumping train loads of bombs on them in a certain part of the world like viet nam.....that could never happen....

 

[jeff f]

sorry to hear, and glad to hear you were armed. i am in the process of convincing my wife to let me get a gun. if permission doesn't work, i'll ask for forgiveness

but yes, twice, very rare, but ok. how many times have you or someone in your family been treated for a serious medical condition? more than twice?

even if the numbers don't work for you, you probably understand what i'm getting at

can you even gather a coherint (wait, i fucked up the spelling again) thought. you are trying to tie to things together that dont even mesh.

hey dude, ever been robbed? how about cured of cancer? dumb.

 

[jeff f]

gun as protection against tyrannical government = useless

hey all you rebelers, even though the entire history of the world proves UB wrong, no more revolutions...period....except in tunisia, egypt, or any other of a dozen places around the world that its currently happening.

and you called him dilusional? (better check for spelling errors)

hey UB, you should buy a paper once in a while...blahhahahaha

 

[Padawanbater2]

hey all you rebelers, even though the entire history of the world proves UB wrong, no more revolutions...period....except in tunisia, egypt, or any other of a dozen places around the world that its currently happening.

and you called him dilusional? (better check for spelling errors)

hey UB, you should buy a paper once in a while...blahhahahaha

It doesn't matter how big your gun is bro, you, and any number of armed Americans would be completely useless against the US military if it were to ever come to that.

They have the technology advantage. It would be completely asymmetrical, just like Iraq is right now. Insurgency type stuff.

 

[undertheice]

It doesn't matter how big your gun is bro, you, and any number of armed Americans would be completely useless against the US military if it were to ever come to that.

even if that were the case, as history shows us it most certainly is not, the fact that it would be a matter of civil war should be taken into account. what percentage of the military do you suppose would choose to support an armed rebellion against a tyrannical government? the first blows in such a movement may be doomed, but they would emphasize how dangerous a government is that would use its troops against its own citizens. our military is not the monolithic unit it is made out to be, it is still make up of citizens who would use their own consciences to decide which side to back.

 

[blimprue58]

In actual fact, the real economic costs of just the Iraq war, according to Joseph Steigliz, might be closer to several trillion. He includes the costs of taking care of injured troops and lost income and opportunity costs etc, not just the outlays...

Difficult to afford healthcare here, because when Wall street took over America, only the priorities of the extremely rich are important, and they can afford platinum rubbers and triple bypasses--paying in cash.

 

[doc111]

It doesn't matter how big your gun is bro, you, and any number of armed Americans would be completely useless against the US military if it were to ever come to that.

They have the technology advantage. It would be completely asymmetrical, just like Iraq is right now. Insurgency type stuff.

Why do people keep saying this???????? It's simply NOT true! Assymetrical? Yes. Useless? No. Smart bombs, guided missiles, JDAMs, UAV's, APC's Tanks, helicopters, stealth bombers, are all formidable weapons, make no mistake. They are NOT infallible, and they are very expensive! Relying too much on technology can easily be the military's downfall. All of the above mentioned pieces of hardware have weakness and are subject to malfunction and outright failure. History is filled with examples of successful insurgencies, rebellions, etc. Just because our military is at the current apex of technology doesn't mean they are unbeatable.

 

[beardo]

lol, well if they can't, who are you gonna call to tell on em?

..I guess that's your answer then. Government does what government wants.

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[NoDrama]

Pretty easy to beat laser guided bombs and laser targeting systems. Just get your own 820 nanometer Neodymium Yitrium Aluminum Garnet (ND-YAG) laser and you can fool all those systems and the people who operate them. Just Lase a different target with a more powerful beam (500Watts or more should do it) and you have control of the battlefield.

Never forget that there are LOTS of former military personnel who have a clue how the military works living amongst us.

 

[doc111]

Pretty easy to beat laser guided bombs and laser targeting systems. Just get your own 820 nanometer Neodymium Yitrium Aluminum Garnet (ND-YAG) laser and you can fool all those systems and the people who operate them. Just Lase a different target with a more powerful beam (500Watts or more should do it) and you have control of the battlefield.

Never forget that there are LOTS of former military personnel who have a clue how the military works living amongst us.

Indeed!