It Pisses Me Off...

[UncleBuck]

Well Buck, I guess I will just defer to your superior military knowledge.

I will say it again since you chose to ignore it before. A drone is NOT an infallible piece of military hardware. Far from it. They have many weaknesses. While I agree it is a scary thought that something that can't be heard or seen can kill you with little or no warning, it is hardly a weapon of mass destruction. Most predators carry 1 hellfire missile. Great for targeted assasinations and precision strikes, but not so great at taking out masses of insurgents. Weapons are simply tools. You wouldn't use a hammer to cut a 2 X 4 would you? You would probably use a circular saw. Perhaps you should talk about chemical and biological weapons when talking about eliminating your own populace. Much more efficient than a predator drone, which would take literally thousands of years to kill even a fraction of the population. Those weapons are far from perfect as well. Biological weapons are unpredictable. Chemical weapons are hard to contain due to wind, etc., and contaminate the landscape. They really haven't invented that perfect weapon that can eliminate lots of people with little collateral damage. Have you read Sun Tzu's The Art of War? I highly recommend it if you haven't. Much of it can be applied to everyday situations.

ha, i would not possess a fraction of the knowledge you do.

i was thinking they would use the drones not to fire upon people, but to find their locations. then they could lob missiles remotely.

they use drones to monitor the borders, currently. they spot the illegal crossers without them knowing and send INS.

 

[NoDrama]

they don't set up booths and stands and rent out space for free, ya know.

i suppose i'm not far enough into the country to just show up and start selling my crops. i imagine it might be like you describe out there, but nowhere where i've lived (suburbia).

so it appears that the complete corporate takeover of the food supply is going pretty poorly, eh?

Where I live you just show up on tuesdays and thursdays, no application, no spaces to rent, no booths unless you bring your own. Cost to sell food at Farmer's market? Zero. They do it in a GROCERY STORE parking lot. The store gets a bunch of extra business when they let a competitor setup shop in their own parking lot, amazing isn't it? Good for everyone, but YOU have to apply and be accepted first, I don't.

Yeah that corporate takeover might take a little bit longer than 2 months, ever think about that? Probably not.

 

[NoDrama]

ha, i would not possess a fraction of the knowledge you do.

i was thinking they would use the drones not to fire upon people, but to find their locations. then they could lob missiles remotely.

they use drones to monitor the borders, currently. they spot the illegal crossers without them knowing and send INS.

Its a quick way to the poor house when you use a Drone which is controlled by a person you have to pay and then of course the missile itself, the cheap missiles that can be sent from a distance away cost around 250K each, how long do you think it will take for the military to run out of their allotment of missiles and money to pay for them? I mean its OBVIOUS to anyone who has been in the military that you don't know how these things work. Drones don't see everything either, lots of people can evade them, its a fucking remote controlled airplane controlled by a soldier/airman here in the USA.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah that corporate takeover might take a little bit longer than 2 months, ever think about that? Probably not.

you'll be saying the same thing in 20 years when we are still selling food at farmers markets, i'm sure.

 

[medicineman]

Thanks for pointing that out U.B. I kind of knew it which is why I specified G.E.D. but I'm glad were all aware it is a diffrent and probably more difficult test on which you scored higher than I did
Now since I just wrote one of my longer posts could you please weigh in on it
Do you think you and other tax payers should pay for me to get a new liver? Is the govt obligated to pay because they prohibited sale of needles at the pharmacy or should I have to deal with the consciquences of using dirty needles If you say it should be covered-up to what point? what dollar amount? or should treatment be limitless? If you pay x amount of dollars will I live forever or just get the flu or cancer or a heart attack? If I was rich I would spend millions on doctors trying to achieve immortality.

Wow man, you just hit my prejudice button, dirty needles, that implies that you were a junky of some kind. The government has (or should have) the responsibility of all it's citizens health. Yes even junkies should be afforded health care. Being a Junkie (in my feeble mind), implies someone that has given up on life. How to turn that around is a huge dillema. I personally don't like junkies. Everyone that I've known, (There's been a few), have always tried to steal from me or generally fuck over me in some way. One Junkie that I treated with respect, allowed to stay at my house, and fed him, gave him chump change for cigarettes etc. Stole an Lb. of premium bud out of my freezer and dissapeared. My reward was to hear about two weeks later that he OD and died. I guess he probably sold that weed to buy Heroin and OD on it, Good fucking riddance.
Another sold me two speakers for 100.00 and stole them back on his way out of town. Fuck Junkies.
If you were not a Junkie then this tirade doesn't apply to you.

 

[robert 14617]

your compassion makes me feel all worm and fuzzy inside mm you are a true humanitarian

 

[medicineman]

your compassion makes me feel all worm and fuzzy inside mm you are a true humanitarian

Actually I am, but I don't fraternize with Junkies anymore, fuck them. That bud the asshole stole was the kind. Of all my plants that year (1980) That bud was the lb I was saving for my own stash. I had pretty much sold the other lbs by the time the asshole stole the package. I was pretty pissed off, fucking Junkies.

 

[beardo]

Drones, its a fucking remote controlled airplane controlled by a soldier/airman here in the USA.

can someone please tell me who operates them? what agencys?

 

[beardo]

Wow man, you just hit my prejudice button, dirty needles, that implies that you were a junky of some kind. The government has (or should have) the responsibility of all it's citizens health. Yes even junkies should be afforded health care. Being a Junkie (in my feeble mind), implies someone that has given up on life. How to turn that around is a huge dillema. I personally don't like junkies. Everyone that I've known, (There's been a few), have always tried to steal from me or generally fuck over me in some way. One Junkie that I treated with respect, allowed to stay at my house, and fed him, gave him chump change for cigarettes etc. Stole an Lb. of premium bud out of my freezer and dissapeared. My reward was to hear about two weeks later that he OD and died. I guess he probably sold that weed to buy Heroin and OD on it, Good fucking riddance.
Another sold me two speakers for 100.00 and stole them back on his way out of town. Fuck Junkies.
If you were not a Junkie then this tirade doesn't apply to you.

I that was pretty much me... thankfully I have left that behind and I am grateful to be clean and don't have the desire to go back to that lifestyle and am now discusted by it and regret the stupidity of my youth

 

[Big P]

The army and generals will not fight against thier own people each state has its own national gaurd, patriot generals would allie with like minded military brass and take control with governers taking control of each state and thier national gaurds troops until elections could be held and the traiterous former leaders exceuted by lethal injection on national television



They are gonna have a hell of a time if they think they are just gonna round us up to be put in fema camps i can tell u that much



If there was a nuke attack that destroyed dc with all the US leaders in it, the governers of each state would take over with the highest ranking military official left in charge of the United states,

 

[canuckgrow]

The army and generals will not fight against thier own people each state has its own national gaurd, patriot generals would allie with like minded military brass and take control with governers taking control of each state and thier national gaurds troops until elections could be held and the traiterous former leaders exceuted by lethal injection on national television



They are gonna have a hell of a time if they think they are just gonna round us up to be put in fema camps i can tell u that much



If there was a nuke attack that destroyed dc with all the US leaders in it, the governers of each state would take over with the highest ranking military official left in charge of the United states,

How much do you trust your Governor and all the state employees who rely on the paycheck to survive? You honestly trust your military to do the right thing? It hasn't been able to do the right thing since WWII. Especially when they can tell you to either get in line and do what we want or you will be on the other side of that fence with "them"....I'm no nut job just a guy who can read what is right in front of him everyday...It may not happen this year or next,,,or even this decade....But its coming and their isn't a damn thing you or your little pop guns are gonna do about it.

 

[doc111]

can someone please tell me who operates them? what agencys?

There are currently several agencies known to use drones. The Air Force and Navy both use them. Not sure about the Army but I believe they do have some sort of UAV. INS and CIA both operate drones as well. As for other agencies that may posess UAV's??????? I'm sure we're not too far off from law enforcement agencies in major cities having these things.

 

[ohnothimagin]

So much money, about 84 billion for Afghanistan alone, not to mention about another 60 billion for Iraq and this is on top of the Pentagons budget. Unemployment is really about 17-18%. Gates wants to make major cuts to some jet fighter programs but Congress won't go along with it and the Pentagon is fighting cuts tooth and nail.

And so it goes.....

 

[doc111]

How much do you trust your Governor and all the state employees who rely on the paycheck to survive? You honestly trust your military to do the right thing? It hasn't been able to do the right thing since WWII. Especially when they can tell you to either get in line and do what we want or you will be on the other side of that fence with "them"....I'm no nut job just a guy who can read what is right in front of him everyday...It may not happen this year or next,,,or even this decade....But its coming and their isn't a damn thing you or your little pop guns are gonna do about it.

A very wise person once told me "Believe none of what you hear or read, and question everything you see". That wasn't it verbatim but I think you get the point.


So, you don't think our military hasn't done the right thing since WWII, huh? Don't take this the wrong way, but, ! I am soooooooo tired of seeing shit like this posted by people who have utterly ZERO clue about that which they speak. Remember Desert Storm smart guy? What about Somalia? How about any of the myriad humaniatarian missions the U.S. military has undertaken in the last few decades? You may not agree with the war on terror and that's fine, but you guys didn't have planes driven by fanatics flown into any of your skyscrapers. Had this happened, I'm sure you'd be singing a much different tune than just "Oh Canada" at your hockey games! And to address your little 'pop gun' comment...........I'm really glad our founding fathers didn't have that same defeatist attitude that you and Buck appear to have. You may think that patriotic citizens with 'pop guns' are not a formiddable force. I'll just let you keep thinking that one there champ.

 

[Big P]

Either way i would rather fight and die free than be a slave and live

 

[beardo]

Its a remote controlled airplane controlled by a soldier/airman here in the USA.

There are currently several agencies known to use drones. The Air Force and Navy and CIA both operate drones as well. As for other agencies that may posess UAV's??????? I'm sure we're not too far off from law enforcement agencies in major cities having these things.

Can they do that??

 

[canuckgrow]

A very wise person once told me "Believe none of what you hear or read, and question everything you see". That wasn't it verbatim but I think you get the point.


So, you don't think our military hasn't done the right thing since WWII, huh? Don't take this the wrong way, but, ! I am soooooooo tired of seeing shit like this posted by people who have utterly ZERO clue about that which they speak. Remember Desert Storm smart guy? What about Somalia? How about any of the myriad humaniatarian missions the U.S. military has undertaken in the last few decades? You may not agree with the war on terror and that's fine, but you guys didn't have planes driven by fanatics flown into any of your skyscrapers. Had this happened, I'm sure you'd be singing a much different tune than just "Oh Canada" at your hockey games! And to address your little 'pop gun' comment...........I'm really glad our founding fathers didn't have that same defeatist attitude that you and Buck appear to have. You may think that patriotic citizens with 'pop guns' are not a formiddable force. I'll just let you keep thinking that one there champ.

You are the poster child for SHEEPLE.......Desert Storm h'uh......Care to do a little more research and get back to me on that one.....When you find out your precious government propped up the lunatic Sadamn up in the first place.....Or how about when your humanitarian government and Army stood by while he gassed the kurds....May have even given him permission to do it.....you may want to follow a little bit of your own advice their champ......seems to me you believe whatever they tell you or whatever you read in USA today....You certainly aren't willing to question anything.


MMMM how about Somalia.....Wanna do the same and do some research other than what you read in USA today or watched in Black Hawk Down and get back to me. Go ahead and ask your buddies at KBR or Blackwater what actually happened in Somalia.


Oh and how about 911 you actually believe what the commission report tells you happened????....After seeing it the first time when it was actually happened on September 11th I told the entire room of people present that the 2 towers and building # 7 looked exactly like they were blown up by demolition experts and every one of them agreed. Now here we are a decade later with all kinds of new evidence and they still deny it....Thieves ,Liars and Traitors is what runs both of our countries.

And how is it you know exactly what I know or lack of what I know?......You haven't a clue yourself so any opinion about what another person knows is utter horse shit in a bears ass.

 

[canuckgrow]

Either way i would rather fight and die free than be a slave and live

And I'm absolutely glad you will. Not sure what I will do if and when the time comes but I can tell you I will not just sit quietly and drink the kool aid.

 

[BudMcLovin]

I know I’m going to hate myself for even bothering but here goes.
Please post some actual proof of a government cover up. Any actual paper evidence the government did it, or a demolitions guy who said yea I helped, a witness to pre destruction work, anything but those dim witted self-proclaimed experts saying it had to be an inside job.

The fucking top of the building fell in on the rest of the building. It’s not like the tops were knocked off and away from the rest of the buildings then they collapsed. The government can’t keep a secret. If it was an inside job someone would have sold that information the day it happened.

In case you haven’t noticed governments are run by man and they make mistakes. It like James Madison who said if men were angels no government would be needed. If you ask me America has been involved in situations we shouldn’t have because of decisions our leaders have made. But this country has done a lot more good than bad.

You want an example of a good thing look at the Berlin Blockade. Oh and Americans are so bad we give more to charity than any other country. Oh yea let’s not forget thanks to the U.S. military we have the internet. We are a terrible country. You can kiss this American’s ass.

Oh and this country was founded by a bunch of guys with “pop guns” fighting the largest military force in the world at the time.

 

[doc111]

You are the poster child for SHEEPLE.......Desert Storm h'uh......Care to do a little more research and get back to me on that one.....When you find out your precious government propped up the lunatic Sadamn up in the first place.....Or how about when your humanitarian government and Army stood by while he gassed the kurds....May have even given him permission to do it.....you may want to follow a little bit of your own advice their champ......seems to me you believe whatever they tell you or whatever you read in USA today....You certainly aren't willing to question anything.


MMMM how about Somalia.....Wanna do the same and do some research other than what you read in USA today or watched in Black Hawk Down and get back to me. Go ahead and ask your buddies at KBR or Blackwater what actually happened in Somalia.


Oh and how about 911 you actually believe what the commission report tells you happened????....After seeing it the first time when it was actually happened on September 11th I told the entire room of people present that the 2 towers and building # 7 looked exactly like they were blown up by demolition experts and every one of them agreed. Now here we are a decade later with all kinds of new evidence and they still deny it....Thieves ,Liars and Traitors is what runs both of our countries.

And how is it you know exactly what I know or lack of what I know?......You haven't a clue yourself so any opinion about what another person knows is utter horse shit in a bears ass.

My friend, I was in Somalia 92-93 and I was in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield/Storm. Sheeple! lmfao!!!!!! How original!

Let me inform you what I know from my FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE of the U.S. government's actions in those 2 conflicts (this, of course, is the distilled version). Saddam/Iraq invaded Kuwait. The U.S. led a coalition of around 32 countries to liberate Kuwait, which we did quite brilliantly with relatively few civilian casualties. As for Somalia? I don't have to ask anybody shit! I was there my friend! I personally vaccinated hundreds of Somali children, helped feed countless others and helped protect food distribution centers. Now I'm not going to get into a debate about the bad things governments do. I think most of us who post in this forum are quite aware of all the conspiracy theories and abuses perpetrated by ours and many other governments. War is a terrible thing, but sometimes a necessary one, especially when a rogue dictator like Saddam (and yes, I'm aware of the U.S. involvement and backing of the Baath party coup of '68 in which the Baath party and Saddam came into power) is bent on invading a peaceful neighboring country. Yes Virginia, governments do shady shit. Get over it! kiss-ass

I've met scores of people, just like yourself, who just have an anti-government stance, for whatever reason. That's not my concern, you are free to have your opinions and I am free to disagree with and voice that disagreement here in this forum (Isn't free speech wonderful?). Whether you like what I have to say or not is also of little consequence to me. I've been around long enough to realize that there is usually a shred of truth to most conspiracy theories. As for you thinking the WTC was a controlled demo?????? lmfao!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you a demolition expert or engineer? I'm not a gambler but if I were I would bet my next harvest the answer is "no". I'm also a retired firefighter that actually spent a few weeks on "the pile" in the days following the attack. I'm not an explosives expert but I did take a college course on Incident Response to Terrorist Bombings. This by no means makes me an expert on explosives but we did do a number of training excersises in which live explosives were used. I saw no evidence of explosives, and neither did any of my numerous aquaintences and friends on the FDNY who witnessed the attack and made entry into the towers.

I've studied many of these conspiracy theories and there is a reason why they are called "theories". It's because no conclusive proof is known to exist that can prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, these things to be the "real story". Was JFK killed by the CIA, or the Cubans, or the Russians? Perhaps. Was 9/11 some huge elaborate hoax perpetrated on the world? I highly doubt it. That type of operation would've involved thousands of people in order to make it look like a convincing terror attack, and make no mistake, the conspiracy theory folks are in the minority. You can't keep thousands of people quiet, especially about something of this magnitude. Do I believe everything the 9/11 commission tells me (nice strawman BTW)? I am skeptical of everything, as any intelligent person should be. That said, I have no convincing proof one way or the other so until proven to be wrong, I'll go with the official report.

I noticed you called me a "sheeple" and then went on to make a bunch of assumptions about me when you know squat about me. Then in your last sentence of the post you write this: "And how is it you know exactly what I know or lack of what I know?......You haven't a clue yourself so any opinion about what another person knows is utter horse shit in a bears ass."

I'm even not going to point out the hypocrasy of your statement and how it relates to statements YOU previously made about me. Nope, not gonna do it.