CrackerJax
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Pssst.... there is no perfection ... anywhere. It's not a goal. Only in our minds does that have traction. 
CrackerJax
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Schrodinger's cat was mine Doc !! and doesn't ... classic.
OregonMeds
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But there must be perfection because who would worship imperfection? You can fear imperfection, but it's hard to sell worshiping it.Pssst.... there is no perfection ... anywhere. It's not a goal. Only in our minds does that have traction.
CrackerJax
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Ahhh, okay, yes in myth there is perfection. that's why they are myths... 
welp, I'm at that point in my life right now where I do a lot of thinking about death. No matter what answers I find, or whatever conclusion I can come to, it still depresses the fuck out of me. Even if there was a God, and Heaven and hell and all of that, what is the point? I mean really... If you're an omnipotent being... Congratulations? now what? Have fun being all powerful and all knowing for eternity... this existence was here forever before me, and will be here forever after me... that thought is what really depresses me lately.
Most Atheists that I've found will quote Einstein and say stuff like "A person starts to live when he can live outside himself." but to me, this is just like.. busy work? to keep your thoughts off the fact that whatever this is.. this existence, has no meaning. the best I can hope for is that I can just do what I want when I want and try to be happy. I'm not gona bust me ass to try to impressive everyone and lead this extraordinary life. I'll just do what I want, when I want. I guess there is just very little that matters to me...
Whatever answers I do find, I will need to find on my own. But I don't think they will be anywhere on this planet, lol. Any answers dealing with any type of afterlife, will not be found in any man made book or beliefs. Whatever this is, has nothing to do with jesus or christianity or all that complete b.s.
Most Atheists that I've found will quote Einstein and say stuff like "A person starts to live when he can live outside himself." but to me, this is just like.. busy work? to keep your thoughts off the fact that whatever this is.. this existence, has no meaning. the best I can hope for is that I can just do what I want when I want and try to be happy. I'm not gona bust me ass to try to impressive everyone and lead this extraordinary life. I'll just do what I want, when I want. I guess there is just very little that matters to me...
Whatever answers I do find, I will need to find on my own. But I don't think they will be anywhere on this planet, lol. Any answers dealing with any type of afterlife, will not be found in any man made book or beliefs. Whatever this is, has nothing to do with jesus or christianity or all that complete b.s.
OregonMeds
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sunshine1754
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Demoniac*persons*know*not*action*or*inaction,*neither*purity*nor*yet*(correct)*conduct*nor*veracity*are*in*them.*They*say*the*universe*is*devoid*of*truth,*devoid*of*fixed*principle,*and*devoid*of*a*ruler,*produced*by*union*(of*male*and*female)*caused*by*lust,*and*nothing*else.
OregonMeds
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Oh my god... really?
PS: I had to look up Demoniac because I wasn't sure it was a word. It is. But I found you this link to help you right under the first hit on google:
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Try that on me I want to see if I'm a demoniac.
PS: I had to look up Demoniac because I wasn't sure it was a word. It is. But I found you this link to help you right under the first hit on google:
The Jezebel Spirit
Learn how to stop Jezebel ...in less than 24 hours!
www.jonasclark.com
Try that on me I want to see if I'm a demoniac.
CrackerJax
New Member
He's touched on nihilism inadvertently. A life examined is a wasted life.
Just enjoy the ride, it's a short one.
Just enjoy the ride, it's a short one.
Babs34
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Try paying attention CJ. My comment had absolutely nothing to do with perception. He very clearly stated he was mocking me...HIS words.
As usual, you're so busy attempting to be witty, as you are maturely "accusing."
Save your judgements regarding my perceptions and worry about your own.
Babs34
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Speak for yourself...projection at large.
OregonMeds
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Babs if you are saying what I think you are saying (not that cracker is whatever but maybe that you understand hippie) can you decode hippie and you "get it" ?
Please you would be loved by the whole forum if you would just follow around from time to time and translate.
please
Please you would be loved by the whole forum if you would just follow around from time to time and translate.
please
Babs34
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I'm not fighting with JO.Ok...how the hell do you get in an argument with Johnny O? He's one of the nicest guys on this forum. I don't agree with some of the things he does,mostly a few points in politics, I think, but we've always been able to disagree civilly.
Babs, damn, if CJ really pisses you off so much, ignore him. Why not challenge the ideas you oppose, instead of all the name calling?
As for the being one's own god, I believe I'm originally the gal who said that...and I explained, it doesn't mean a god in an omnipotent or holy sense, but that I am the master of my own destiny,and that I don't recognize any outside entity or force guiding me on my path. That's not arrogance,it's just truth.It's accepting responsibility for one's own successes and failures,and realizing that the only way to move forward is through action on your own behalf.
Now, you've got just as much right to be in this thread challenging the views expressed as we atheists do in any other spiritual thread.But if all you're doing is calling people names and posting angry remarks with little substance, that's not exactly representing your position in a positive light.
I will say though that when a person makes it a point to make their very first post to me cynical, I tend to stay on course. When I do it, I'm accused of "accusing." When others familiar to this thread do so, they are cheered on.
CJ doesn't piss me off, LOL. I'm sure he'd love to think I go to bed on pins and needles from his shared wit, alas....I either laugh or roll my eyes.
Oh boy, you don't want me to get started on the name calling I've "endured."
It's too bad that my tone is not "heard"..I'm nowhere near as angry as I've been accused.
I've found most of what is posted here as just plain silly.Oh, and please don't misunderstand. I am a firm believer that we are masters of our own destiny. We all have choices daily in life that get us from point A to point B.
But let's be honest here. There have been numerous posts that have little substance...over and over again. I don't get the award for that.
A whole lot has obviously been overlooked. I'm not about to go back over several threads to attempt to show or prove/disprove any thing at all. To do so would be a ridiculous waste of time.
Look Stoney, when you have posted to me "as an atheist".....you don't go on tangent after tangent as to how STUPID I am....although it's probably a given that any given atheist think a "believer" stupid on that level.
My point being...I give back what I'm given---without expending needless negative energy day in and day out.
I've offered plenty in the way of substance, but let's just get to the heart of this all. No believer is going to be able to prove God as real to any of you. This thread, along with many others, serves as more of a purpose so often to mock and otherwise degrade. There's been very little in the way of substance.
I've never had that vibe from you, but I think it's fairly obvious who I have felt has been needlessly condascending to me. What that shows me is a need from certain individuals to uphold an image of themselves by playing off of others "supposed" stupidity.
No anger on my end.
Babs34
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LOL, it is you that CAN'T possibly ignore me.......feel free to prove me wrong.OR .... take a position that is capable of a defense.
So far ... fail.
Please ignore me ... plz.
Johnnyorganic
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Fucking incredible!
A mod tells you to take it private and you go to another thread to do some more bitching and sucking around for sympathy rep.
PM me again and I tell your boyfriend.
A mod tells you to take it private and you go to another thread to do some more bitching and sucking around for sympathy rep.
There's no mystery as to what you're choking on.
Mommy! JohnnyO is being mean to me!
Save the insight for group therapy, Brokedick.
Like you were doing all day Sunday.
PM me again and I tell your boyfriend.
Babs34
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Did I receive my good reps for being an "atheist a/hole" too? I know you've not seen me post comments that would make you inclined to refer to me as such... atheist yes, but "a/hole" no. Or does one label automatically accompany the other?
In all fairness Babs, no deity has gotten people like you and me any closer to a cure than science has. It's been the opposite, in fact. How many people have died because they refused medical care that their religions frowned upon, if not outright forbade? (Christian traditions/denominations included.) These people died completely unnecessarily, due to having refused treatment proven to cure a high percentage of said treatment's recipients. (I don't even want to get into the children who've died thanks to their parents refusing treatment in order to please their deity... it makes me way to angry to have the ability to be civil!)
Exactly how I've viewed it since I was a child. And honestly, if I were to believe that there are deities that are perfect, I'd be carrying around a lot more anger about terminal and chronic illness than I already do; and it'd all be directed at these deities for allowing any unnecessary and undeserved suffering to happen in the first place, much less neglecting to put a stop to it. I can accept that genetics gets screwy sometimes, and we get sick as a result of whacky DNA combinations. I could never accept that a being creating us "in its image" could be omnipotent, as we would be as well. The image of perfection is perfection, is it not? We're far from perfect, and with reason. There is no such thing as "perfection" as we perceive it.
(Hope I'm making sense... due to the necessity to treat pain caused by aforementioned chronic illness, the thinking and speaking centers in my brain aren't communicating so well right now. LOL!)
Kat, as I recall, I gave you rep simply for being funny and entertaining. And if you go back, you will see where I clearly said that being an atheist does not necessitate being an a/hole. He's been nothing short of one. I will not recant.
I don't care if there's a thread out there in RIU land about "spirituality"...atheism...God ......OR how to make CO2 cheaply...
There he is!!! It's amazing how one can somehow COMPLETELY change the topic of the thread from post one and hijack a thread to be his own, while irritating the crap out of many while doing so.
For the record, I don't define my "friends" by their personal beliefs about God. To each, their own.
There is an obvious obsession with a certain few regarding "scary people like me."......talk about accusing!!! I've been accused of everything under the sun from A to Z. A stranger reading this and other threads would think me the same kind of freaky "supposed" Christians that are exemplified so often from YouTube.
In fact, Padwan uses those extremes to compare me.....REEEEEEEDICULOUS.
--particularly when he's so adamantly sold on it. He'd damned determined to sell any other on it as well.
I don't see how that kind of immaturity adds "substance." It's foolish, childish behavior in my book.
With all of the glorified evidence and suggested salvations to mankind's existence by him, to nonchalantly just throw out that science is not responsible for finding a cure for my disease IS truly asinine.
If not science, who then?
I have NO anger towards God for having this disease. God didn't create it.
Know I get the whole thing about the brain not communicating quite as well as it should.
I'll just end this by saying just imagine expending the "extra" energy to add something of substance---only to be endlessly called a "retard"..among other childish and ugly names.
I gave up on believing a mature conversation could take place on these threads long ago.
I roll with silliness all the way now...good choice on my part.
Babs34
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In all fairness, it is my opinion that Hippie is merely playing a CJ.
I'm also betting he/she writes poetry.
OregonMeds
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Ok thought so, I just wasn't sure if you thought you found meaning in the babble. She went full on troll though, cracker is just opinionated and bull headed like a few of us around here.
Woodstock.Hippie
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this existence was here forever before me, and will be here forever after me ≠ this existence, has no meaning
We Believe The First Half Of The Equation.
How Can A Secularist Believe In God?
Our Meaning Excites Us.
What Is Your Meaning?
What's Left When You're Vaporized?
We Believe The First Half Of The Equation.
How Can A Secularist Believe In God?
Our Meaning Excites Us.
What Is Your Meaning?
What's Left When You're Vaporized?
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PadawanBater
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Babs, you are making claims that you can't back up. I'm not a rep whore, I couldn't give a damn less about rep, but it actually does serve a purpose, see... People give you rep when you make a post they approve of. Look at my rep, then look at your rep, shouldn't that tell you something? You said I "irritate the crap out of many while doing so" - but it seems like you're the one who is irritating people by the things you post. It irritates me when you simply can't grasp a point. It irritates me when you get offended by something as meaningless as a random person from across cyberspace calling you an explicit word or name. It irritates me that you believe what you want to believe, hear what you want to hear, and will never change an opinion because you can't accept when you might be wrong about something. It's the way you were raised. I was raised the same way, then I grew up and out of that and realized that it's OK to be wrong about shit, because guess what, that's life, that's why there are erasers on pencils, people make mistakes, everyone does. I'm wrong about tons of shit on a daily basis, but guess what, the next time I try doing it, I'll be less wrong, and more right, which is the goal, progress. A word synonymous with screetches on a chalkboard to die hard conservatives. They hate progress. I get it, like I said before, transition is iffy... you could possibly fail, but I'm tired of looking at a system that's already failed and being content riding it all the way down, hoping someone will catch me. To me, that's the much more unsettling part, not knowing (but actually having a pretty damn good idea of, as stated earlier about how fucking ridiculously stupid our foreign policies have been the past 50 years) if someones going to be there when we fall.
Fanatical Christianity doesn't belong in the public sector in the Unites States. Keep your cult shit in your own home away from me please. Thanks.
I was civil in the beginning, go back and check for yourself. I always give everyone the chance. But then you started taking things past civil, into the ignorantly content, that's when it got ugly.
But there's nothing in this post that you should be offended by, no personal attacks, hardly any bad words... Though I still suspect you'll come back with something hostile...
Fanatical Christianity doesn't belong in the public sector in the Unites States. Keep your cult shit in your own home away from me please. Thanks.
I was civil in the beginning, go back and check for yourself. I always give everyone the chance. But then you started taking things past civil, into the ignorantly content, that's when it got ugly.
But there's nothing in this post that you should be offended by, no personal attacks, hardly any bad words... Though I still suspect you'll come back with something hostile...